Removing Mini PCI video from chipset

I've got an IBM eServer xseries 225 8649 type running XP Pro with SP2.
This system comes with a 7505 Intel Chipset with an on-board video
mini-pci ATI Rage XL PCI card. I would like to upgrade it to a Nvidia
G-Force 6200 graphics card that I have fitted into the AGP Pro slot on
the board but I only get 16-color (4-bit) video and the following error

in device manager:


This device cannot find enough free resources that it can use. (Code
12)


If you want to use this device, you will need to disable one of the
other devices on this system.

I ran through the prompted microsoft troubleshooting but still no
success.

I have tried everything to remove all traces of the ATI drivers
(including Driver Cleaner!) but to no effect. I have even remove the
Rage XL mini pci card from the board but it still gives me the Code 12
error. I have check the BIOS configuration settings and I can't find
any way to point the video adapter at a PCI or AGP slot as there is
with some
intel chipsets.


Perhaps it's just not possible to upgrade to a different graphics card,

but I'd like to explore all possibilities first before returning my
graphics card to the shop.


Thanks, Richard

Ok, after further searching I found this in the Adapter Considerations
section of the IBM xSeries 225 Types 8649 Hardware Maintenance Manual
and Troubleshooting Guide:

- Installation of an AGP video adapter in the AGP slot is not
supported.
- You can install only a 32-bit adapter in the 32-bit PCI slot 1 and
64-bit adapters in the 64-bit PCI-X slots 2 through 5.
- You can install full-length adapters in all five expansion slots;
however, full-length, double-width adapters will not fit in slot 5 and
are not supported. None of the expansion slots are hot-plug.
- The 32-bit PCI slot 1 supports 5.0 V signaling PCI adapters; it does
not support 3.3 V signaling adapters or 64-bit adapters.
- The 64-bit PCI-X slots 2 through 5 support 3.3 V signaling PCI or
PCI-X adapters; they do not support 5.0 V signaling adapters.

So it's back to the shop for a refund.

On 13 Dec 2005 06:48:56 -0800, "cryotiger" <richardglazer@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Ok, after further searching I found this in the Adapter Considerations
>section of the IBM xSeries 225 Types 8649 Hardware Maintenance Manual
>and Troubleshooting Guide:
>
>- Installation of an AGP video adapter in the AGP slot is not
>supported.

I'm extremely curious, why did they provide an AGP slot if you cannot
install an AGP graphics card in it??? Is there something else that the
AGP slot is actually used for???

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On 13 Dec 2005 06:48:56 -0800, "cryotiger" <richardglazer@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Ok, after further searching I found this in the Adapter Considerations
>section of the IBM xSeries 225 Types 8649 Hardware Maintenance Manual
>and Troubleshooting Guide:
>
>- Installation of an AGP video adapter in the AGP slot is not
>supported.

?!?!? What in the hell else are you going to use in that AGP slot?

-------------
Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:41:15 -0500, Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca>
wrote:

>On 13 Dec 2005 06:48:56 -0800, "cryotiger" <richardglazer@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Ok, after further searching I found this in the Adapter Considerations
>>section of the IBM xSeries 225 Types 8649 Hardware Maintenance Manual
>>and Troubleshooting Guide:
>>
>>- Installation of an AGP video adapter in the AGP slot is not
>>supported.
>
>?!?!? What in the hell else are you going to use in that AGP slot?

Nothing. AGP slot support was probably de-featured as part of a marketing play
(ploy) for a low-end box.

A rung or two up the price-point ladder, that slot probably worked...

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:58:11 -0500, daytripper
<day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:41:15 -0500, Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On 13 Dec 2005 06:48:56 -0800, "cryotiger" <richardglazer@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Ok, after further searching I found this in the Adapter Considerations
>>>section of the IBM xSeries 225 Types 8649 Hardware Maintenance Manual
>>>and Troubleshooting Guide:
>>>
>>>- Installation of an AGP video adapter in the AGP slot is not
>>>supported.
>>
>>?!?!? What in the hell else are you going to use in that AGP slot?
>
>Nothing. AGP slot support was probably de-featured as part of a marketing play
>(ploy) for a low-end box.
>
>A rung or two up the price-point ladder, that slot probably worked...

Looks quite like castrated P2, aka cacheless Celeron (covington,
IIRC). In some sense, even worse - that one didn't even pretend to
have the feature that was cut off. eServer with neuticles?
P)

NNN

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:58:11 -0500, daytripper
<day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:41:15 -0500, Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On 13 Dec 2005 06:48:56 -0800, "cryotiger" <richardglazer@hotmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>- Installation of an AGP video adapter in the AGP slot is not
>>>supported.
>>
>>?!?!? What in the hell else are you going to use in that AGP slot?
>
>Nothing. AGP slot support was probably de-featured as part of a marketing play
>(ploy) for a low-end box.
>
>A rung or two up the price-point ladder, that slot probably worked...

That's really quite tragic! And IBM is supposed to be one of the
"respectable" companies in the server world! You almost have to laugh
about this except for the fact that the original poster is probably by
no means the only one who was having trouble figuring out why no video
cards will work in that darned AGP slot!

Maybe if we've lucky they'll put some fake cache chips on their next
server!

-------------
Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca

"Tony Hill" <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:u6m1q198ogt8q1mgb3vb37ticml33u582e@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:58:11 -0500, daytripper
> <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:41:15 -0500, Tony Hill
>><hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 13 Dec 2005 06:48:56 -0800, "cryotiger" <richardglazer@hotmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>- Installation of an AGP video adapter in the AGP slot is not
>>>>supported.
>>>
>>>?!?!? What in the hell else are you going to use in that AGP slot?
>>
>>Nothing. AGP slot support was probably de-featured as part of a
>>marketing play
>>(ploy) for a low-end box.
>>
>>A rung or two up the price-point ladder, that slot probably worked...
>
> That's really quite tragic! And IBM is supposed to be one of the
> "respectable" companies in the server world! You almost have to laugh
> about this except for the fact that the original poster is probably by
> no means the only one who was having trouble figuring out why no video
> cards will work in that darned AGP slot!
>
> Maybe if we've lucky they'll put some fake cache chips on their next
> server!
>
> -------------
> Tony Hill
> hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca

Did the specs say it supported AGP video? Did OP pay for AGP video?
What made him believe that AGP video would ever work? Would you all be
happier if IBM hadn't bothered to solder the connector on the board?

del

On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:59:29 -0600, "Del Cecchi"
<delcecchiofthenorth@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Tony Hill" <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>news:u6m1q198ogt8q1mgb3vb37ticml33u582e@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:58:11 -0500, daytripper
>> <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:41:15 -0500, Tony Hill
>>><hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 13 Dec 2005 06:48:56 -0800, "cryotiger" <richardglazer@hotmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>- Installation of an AGP video adapter in the AGP slot is not
>>>>>supported.
>>>>
>>>>?!?!? What in the hell else are you going to use in that AGP slot?
>>>
>>>Nothing. AGP slot support was probably de-featured as part of a
>>>marketing play
>>>(ploy) for a low-end box.
>>>
>>>A rung or two up the price-point ladder, that slot probably worked...
>>
>> That's really quite tragic! And IBM is supposed to be one of the
>> "respectable" companies in the server world! You almost have to laugh
>> about this except for the fact that the original poster is probably by
>> no means the only one who was having trouble figuring out why no video
>> cards will work in that darned AGP slot!
>>
>> Maybe if we've lucky they'll put some fake cache chips on their next
>> server!
>>
>> -------------
>> Tony Hill
>> hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca
>
>Did the specs say it supported AGP video? Did OP pay for AGP video?
>What made him believe that AGP video would ever work? Would you all be
>happier if IBM hadn't bothered to solder the connector on the board?
>
>del

"Settle down, Francis."

daytripper wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:59:29 -0600, "Del Cecchi"
> <delcecchiofthenorth@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Tony Hill" <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>>news:u6m1q198ogt8q1mgb3vb37ticml33u582e@4ax.com...
>>
>>>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:58:11 -0500, daytripper
>>><day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:41:15 -0500, Tony Hill
>>>><hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On 13 Dec 2005 06:48:56 -0800, "cryotiger" <richardglazer@hotmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>- Installation of an AGP video adapter in the AGP slot is not
>>>>>>supported.
>>>>>
>>>>>?!?!? What in the hell else are you going to use in that AGP slot?
>>>>
>>>>Nothing. AGP slot support was probably de-featured as part of a
>>>>marketing play
>>>>(ploy) for a low-end box.
>>>>
>>>>A rung or two up the price-point ladder, that slot probably worked...
>>>
>>>That's really quite tragic! And IBM is supposed to be one of the
>>>"respectable" companies in the server world! You almost have to laugh
>>>about this except for the fact that the original poster is probably by
>>>no means the only one who was having trouble figuring out why no video
>>>cards will work in that darned AGP slot!
>>>
>>>Maybe if we've lucky they'll put some fake cache chips on their next
>>>server!
>>>
>>>-------------
>>>Tony Hill
>>>hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca
>>
>>Did the specs say it supported AGP video? Did OP pay for AGP video?
>>What made him believe that AGP video would ever work? Would you all be
>>happier if IBM hadn't bothered to solder the connector on the board?
>>
>>del
>
>
> "Settle down, Francis."
Why should I settle down? Tony is the one who called it "tragic" and
implied IBM was less than respectable for putting this unusable
connector in this model server.

And a server needs AGP video for?

del

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strategies or opinions.”