Re: BAD peformance of all single SATA drives on Asus P4P800/P4C800 mobos?!..

And as if I have not hawked the Raptor enough, I forgot to mention in comes
with a "legacy" 4-pin Molex power connector built in so no power adapter is
need.

Koop

"John Smith" <tawse57NOSPAM@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks,
>
> J.
>
>
> "koop" <3pam3uck3@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:aLMIa.277$7D2.36278445@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
> > The WD Raptor does make more noise than the WD 800JB, well, not so much
> more
> > noise but a higher pitched more noticeable sound than the 800JB, the
price
> > to be paid for 10K RPM. I was a little concerned at first listening to
> the
> > Raptor outside of my case, but once I got it installed with everything
> > running I only hear it when it powers up and I have a water-cooled rig
> built
> > for quiet. I think the 800JB is the quietest HD I have ever owned so
> maybe
> > a straight comparison is not fair, but to say the Raptor makes more
> sound,
> > or at least a less aesthetically pleasing sound, is accurate.
> >
> > Koop
> >
> > "John Smith" <tawse57NOSPAM@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:rxJIa.422$nG4.333@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
> > > Thanks for the info - a noticeable speed increase indeed. One
question,
> > how
> > > noisey is that Raptor? How does it compare with noise to the WD? Oops,
> > > that's two questions.
> > >
> > > J.
> > >
> > >
> > > "koop" <3pam3uck3@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > > news:UsJIa.1480$n22.1385@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...
> > > > I also have a single Raptor, but running on an Asus A7N8X Deluxe,
> > > achieving
> > > > an almost identical HD Tach 2.61 Average Read speed:
> > > >
> > > > Random Access Time: 8.4ms
> > > > Max Read: 78446 kps
> > > > Min Read: 31531 kps
> > > > Ave Read: 48586.6 kps
> > > >
> > > > I also have a WD 800JB "Special Edition" PATA drive w/8MB cache:
> > > >
> > > > Random Access Time: 13.5ms
> > > > Max Read: 49135 kps
> > > > Min Read: 24291 kps
> > > > Ave Read: 40461.4 kps
> > > >
> > > > In addition to confirming Gilles's Average Read speed, this shows a
> 38%
> > > > increase in Random Access speed, and a 20% gain in Average Read
speed
> > > > against one of the faster (once the fastest) PATA drives out there.
> > This
> > > is
> > > > all, of course, due to the 10,000 RPM platter in the Raptor and not
> the
> > > SATA
> > > > interface, but regardless it is FAST and the SATA cables are so much
> > > easier
> > > > to work with I very enthusiastically recommend getting a Raptor if
> your
> > > > circumstances will allow it.
> > > >
> > > > Koop
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=905761
> > > > XP 2500+ @ 11.5*200
> > > > A7N8X DLX 2.0
> > > > 2x256MB Corsair PC3200LL @ 2-2-2-6
> > > > ATI Radeon Pro 9800
> > > > WD Raptor 10K RPM SATA - WD 800JB SE
> > > > Eheim 1250 w/ 1/2"ID Clearflex
> > > > MCW5000+MCW50+'86 Chevette Core
> > > > CPU 33C Idle 36C Full Load
> > > >
> > > > "Gilles Labelle" <sigl@videotron.ca> wrote in message
> > > > news4-dnTr00LszYG-jRTvU2Q@giganews.com...
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is my HTTach results with my P4P800 and a SATA Raptor
> > > > >
> > > > > max read speed : 58838kps
> > > > > min read speed : 25020kps
> > > > > average speed : 48654kps
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > <please.reply@in.group> wrote in message
> > > news:3EF2B28D.E78FF87@in.group...
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In following review about the Asus P4P800 here
> > > > > > http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDg0LDM=they mention in
> the
> > > > > > "IDE/ATA Performance" section: "The SATA single drive
performance
> is
> > > the
> > > > > > worst of the bunch, trailing the IDE drive results by
> approximately
> > 10
> > > > > > MB/s on both the average read and write performance." They even
> > posted
> > > > > > test result screenshots so you can see it for yourself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does this mean if I only gonna use 1 harddisk with this mobo, I
> > better
> > > > > > take an IDE harddisk instead of a SATA harddisk?! I can't
> undertand
> > > why
> > > > > > single SATA is so bad on this mobo, since SATA is integrated to
> the
> > > > > > Southbridge on the P4P800 (Springdale) which should give good
> > results,
> > > > > > RAID or no RAID?!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am not giving up on this yet, so perhaps people who already
have
> > the
> > > > > > P4P800 and use a single SATA drive could tell me what there read
> and
> > > > > > write speeds are with there drive. Fact is they used a Barracuda
> > SATA
> > > > > > drive in there test, so perhaps other single SATA drives will
> score
> > > > > > better?! I was planning to buy a single Maxtor SATA drive with
> this
> > > > > > board, so first I want to know if single SATA drive performance
is
> > > > > > really that bad for all drives with the P4P800 or not! Normally
> > > 7200rpm
> > > > > > drives can get around 60MB/s I believe, so with SATA (connected
to
> > the
> > > > > > Southbridge) it must be possible to get higher scores, even with
> > > single
> > > > > > drives, not?! In there test it was quite the opposite ("single
> SATA
> > > the
> > > > > > worst of the bunch")!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So I would really appreciate it if people who have the Asus
P4P800
> > (or
> > > > > > P4C800) mobo and use a single SATA drive (so no RAID) could post
> > there
> > > > > > read and write speeds!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PS: if you buy a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 SATA drive, does it
also
> > > have
> > > > > > a regular IDE connection in case using it that way would give
> better
> > > > > > performance in a single drive setup.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks in advance!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Agreed, never would have gotten it if I didn't already have to 80GB drives.

Koop


"John Smith" <tawse57NOSPAM@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Sounds good but I need it to be more GB for bucks... and cheaper bucks at
> that... before I make the move over. Obviously the future though and I
think
> they will take over sooner than people think.
>
> J.
>
>
> "koop" <3pam3uck3@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:kWnJa.1151$gC.138519171@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
> > And as if I have not hawked the Raptor enough, I forgot to mention in
> comes
> > with a "legacy" 4-pin Molex power connector built in so no power adapter
> is
> > need.
> >
> > Koop
> >
> > "John Smith" <tawse57NOSPAM@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:kKUIa.821$yw5.17482@newsfep4-glfd.server.ntli.net...
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > J.
> > >
> > >
> > > "koop" <3pam3uck3@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > > news:aLMIa.277$7D2.36278445@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com...
> > > > The WD Raptor does make more noise than the WD 800JB, well, not so
> much
> > > more
> > > > noise but a higher pitched more noticeable sound than the 800JB, the
> > price
> > > > to be paid for 10K RPM. I was a little concerned at first listening
> to
> > > the
> > > > Raptor outside of my case, but once I got it installed with
everything
> > > > running I only hear it when it powers up and I have a water-cooled
rig
> > > built
> > > > for quiet. I think the 800JB is the quietest HD I have ever owned
so
> > > maybe
> > > > a straight comparison is not fair, but to say the Raptor makes more
> > > sound,
> > > > or at least a less aesthetically pleasing sound, is accurate.
> > > >
> > > > Koop
> > > >
> > > > "John Smith" <tawse57NOSPAM@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:rxJIa.422$nG4.333@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...
> > > > > Thanks for the info - a noticeable speed increase indeed. One
> > question,
> > > > how
> > > > > noisey is that Raptor? How does it compare with noise to the WD?
> Oops,
> > > > > that's two questions.
> > > > >
> > > > > J.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "koop" <3pam3uck3@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > > > > news:UsJIa.1480$n22.1385@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com...
> > > > > > I also have a single Raptor, but running on an Asus A7N8X
Deluxe,
> > > > > achieving
> > > > > > an almost identical HD Tach 2.61 Average Read speed:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Random Access Time: 8.4ms
> > > > > > Max Read: 78446 kps
> > > > > > Min Read: 31531 kps
> > > > > > Ave Read: 48586.6 kps
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also have a WD 800JB "Special Edition" PATA drive w/8MB cache:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Random Access Time: 13.5ms
> > > > > > Max Read: 49135 kps
> > > > > > Min Read: 24291 kps
> > > > > > Ave Read: 40461.4 kps
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In addition to confirming Gilles's Average Read speed, this
shows
> a
> > > 38%
> > > > > > increase in Random Access speed, and a 20% gain in Average Read
> > speed
> > > > > > against one of the faster (once the fastest) PATA drives out
> there.
> > > > This
> > > > > is
> > > > > > all, of course, due to the 10,000 RPM platter in the Raptor and
> not
> > > the
> > > > > SATA
> > > > > > interface, but regardless it is FAST and the SATA cables are so
> much
> > > > > easier
> > > > > > to work with I very enthusiastically recommend getting a Raptor
if
> > > your
> > > > > > circumstances will allow it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Koop
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=905761
> > > > > > XP 2500+ @ 11.5*200
> > > > > > A7N8X DLX 2.0
> > > > > > 2x256MB Corsair PC3200LL @ 2-2-2-6
> > > > > > ATI Radeon Pro 9800
> > > > > > WD Raptor 10K RPM SATA - WD 800JB SE
> > > > > > Eheim 1250 w/ 1/2"ID Clearflex
> > > > > > MCW5000+MCW50+'86 Chevette Core
> > > > > > CPU 33C Idle 36C Full Load
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Gilles Labelle" <sigl@videotron.ca> wrote in message
> > > > > > news4-dnTr00LszYG-jRTvU2Q@giganews.com...
> > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here is my HTTach results with my P4P800 and a SATA Raptor
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > max read speed : 58838kps
> > > > > > > min read speed : 25020kps
> > > > > > > average speed : 48654kps
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > <please.reply@in.group> wrote in message
> > > > > news:3EF2B28D.E78FF87@in.group...
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In following review about the Asus P4P800 here
> > > > > > > > http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDg0LDM=they mention
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > > > "IDE/ATA Performance" section: "The SATA single drive
> > performance
> > > is
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > worst of the bunch, trailing the IDE drive results by
> > > approximately
> > > > 10
> > > > > > > > MB/s on both the average read and write performance." They
> even
> > > > posted
> > > > > > > > test result screenshots so you can see it for yourself.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Does this mean if I only gonna use 1 harddisk with this
mobo,
> I
> > > > better
> > > > > > > > take an IDE harddisk instead of a SATA harddisk?! I can't
> > > undertand
> > > > > why
> > > > > > > > single SATA is so bad on this mobo, since SATA is integrated
> to
> > > the
> > > > > > > > Southbridge on the P4P800 (Springdale) which should give
good
> > > > results,
> > > > > > > > RAID or no RAID?!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I am not giving up on this yet, so perhaps people who
already
> > have
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > P4P800 and use a single SATA drive could tell me what there
> read
> > > and
> > > > > > > > write speeds are with there drive. Fact is they used a
> Barracuda
> > > > SATA
> > > > > > > > drive in there test, so perhaps other single SATA drives
will
> > > score
> > > > > > > > better?! I was planning to buy a single Maxtor SATA drive
with
> > > this
> > > > > > > > board, so first I want to know if single SATA drive
> performance
> > is
> > > > > > > > really that bad for all drives with the P4P800 or not!
> Normally
> > > > > 7200rpm
> > > > > > > > drives can get around 60MB/s I believe, so with SATA
> (connected
> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > Southbridge) it must be possible to get higher scores, even
> with
> > > > > single
> > > > > > > > drives, not?! In there test it was quite the opposite
("single
> > > SATA
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > worst of the bunch")!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So I would really appreciate it if people who have the Asus
> > P4P800
> > > > (or
> > > > > > > > P4C800) mobo and use a single SATA drive (so no RAID) could
> post
> > > > there
> > > > > > > > read and write speeds!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > PS: if you buy a Maxtor DiamondMax Plus 9 SATA drive, does
it
> > also
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > a regular IDE connection in case using it that way would
give
> > > better
> > > > > > > > performance in a single drive setup.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mike.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>