What a sham AV software is.

The lengths people go to over AVS makes me wonder where they are coming
from.

A colleague purchased Norton AVS 2005. He tried to install it and was told,
'installation successful'. He then scanned his computer and found some
'threats'. He supposedly deleted the threats. On looking at the status page
he saw that the 'protection from worms' had a cross by it together with the
word 'error'. When he tried 'live update' he was informed that the program
had an 'internal error'. Out of interest I tried helping him by uninstalling
his NAV program then re-installing, but with the same end result, and the
'threats' had not been deleted, and 'internal program error 33....whatever.

This whole AV game is a complete scam IMO. The software is full of bugs,
doesn't install properly, and try getting technical support without paying
through the nose or ringing India. And of course it does not protect you
from anything as so many people have already found to their cost.

I think I'll continue to settle for life without AV software, and I've
advised my colleague to ask for his money back.

Hi there

"Frank Booth Snr"

Snr, speaks volumes

<snipped a nice combination of bollox and opinion>

> I think I'll continue to settle for life without AV software, and I've
> advised my colleague to ask for his money back.

Keep ya windies install disk handy, for the both of you, and thanks in
advance for all the spam asshole.


--

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"Steve Sweet" <steve.sweet@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:d755t5$3cl$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> Hi there
>
> "Frank Booth Snr"
>
> Snr, speaks volumes
>
> <snipped a nice combination of bollox and opinion>
>
> > I think I'll continue to settle for life without AV software, and I've
> > advised my colleague to ask for his money back.
>
> Keep ya windies install disk handy, for the both of you, and thanks in
> advance for all the spam asshole.
>
I rarely need to resort to windies install, but on the occasion I do, my PC
works a dream. And no, it's not spam. Clearly you do not understand what
spam is, but then what would one expect from a **** up to his ears in AVS.

From: "Frank Booth Snr" <frank@oldman.com>

| The lengths people go to over AVS makes me wonder where they are coming
| from.
|
| A colleague purchased Norton AVS 2005. He tried to install it and was told,
| 'installation successful'. He then scanned his computer and found some
| 'threats'. He supposedly deleted the threats. On looking at the status page
| he saw that the 'protection from worms' had a cross by it together with the
| word 'error'. When he tried 'live update' he was informed that the program
| had an 'internal error'. Out of interest I tried helping him by uninstalling
| his NAV program then re-installing, but with the same end result, and the
| 'threats' had not been deleted, and 'internal program error 33....whatever.
|
| This whole AV game is a complete scam IMO. The software is full of bugs,
| doesn't install properly, and try getting technical support without paying
| through the nose or ringing India. And of course it does not protect you
| from anything as so many people have already found to their cost.
|
| I think I'll continue to settle for life without AV software, and I've
| advised my colleague to ask for his money back.
|

I have read your posts in MS News Groups and I just read this one.

I can't help thinking you don't fully grasp the problems of Operating Systems or the
complexity of the interactions of software on a given platform. You talk about your
"colleague". But you don't know the condition of you friend's computer at the time of the
installation, the state of the service packs, the application of HotFixes, etc, etc.

There is always the chaos factor in a computing platform and we don't know what the state of
the computer was prior to the installation of software. The OS could have been compramised,
corrupted or both. In addition, Norton 2005 is complex software and there are those with
troubles with it. Those problems should not be made into the broad and ridiculou statement
that "his whole AV game is a complete scam...". Don't paint all AV vendors with such a
broad brush. It is neither a sham nor a scam. Maybe you should be blaming your "olleague"
for failing to maintain his computer properly and for not following Safe Hex practices.

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

"Frank Booth Snr" <frank@oldman.com> wrote in message
news:429621b8@212.67.96.135...
>
> "Steve Sweet" <steve.sweet@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
> news:d755t5$3cl$1@nwrdmz01.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
> > Hi there
> >
> > "Frank Booth Snr"
> >
> > Snr, speaks volumes
> >
> > <snipped a nice combination of bollox and opinion>
> >
> > > I think I'll continue to settle for life without AV software, and
I've
> > > advised my colleague to ask for his money back.
> >
> > Keep ya windies install disk handy, for the both of you, and thanks
in
> > advance for all the spam asshole.
> >
> I rarely need to resort to windies install, but on the occasion I do,
my PC
> works a dream. And no, it's not spam. Clearly you do not understand
what
> spam is, but then what would one expect from a **** up to his ears in
AVS.

Many worms carry spamware as payload (or download it) - he refers to
this being in your (and our) future.

Frank wrote:

> This whole AV game is a complete scam IMO. The software is full of bugs,
> doesn't install properly, and try getting technical support without paying
> through the nose or ringing India. And of course it does not protect you
> from anything as so many people have already found to their cost.
>

Well Frank, I find it amazing that because you have had one bad experience
with Norton 2005 "bloatware"; you are now convinced that the "whole" AV game
is a complete scam.

I have used a simple little AV program called NOD32 for years. It is only a
small program, and it uses very little memory. It has protected me from
literally hundreds of virus/worm/trojan infections over the years, and I
have NEVER had a moments trouble with it.

Maybe, if you were ever unfortunate enough to be infected with "Chernobyl"
or "Trojan.W32.Killfiles.h" malware, you would instantly alter your opinion.

Anyway, whether or not you use AV software is entirely up to you. I,
personally, would not be without my beloved NOD32.

P.S. If you do ever get "virused-up", you might find this simple (and FREE)
little program very handy.

It's called RescueME, and you can download it here:

http://www.rescueme4win.org/

"David H. Lipman" <DLipman~nospam~@Verizon.Net> wrote in message
news:_Ople.2637$m%3.2358@trnddc02...
>
> I have read your posts in MS News Groups and I just read this one.
>
> I can't help thinking you don't fully grasp the problems of Operating
Systems or the
> complexity of the interactions of software on a given platform. You talk
about your
> "colleague". But you don't know the condition of you friend's computer at
the time of the
> installation, the state of the service packs, the application of HotFixes,
etc, etc.
>
> There is always the chaos factor in a computing platform and we don't know
what the state of
> the computer was prior to the installation of software. The OS could have
been compramised,
> corrupted or both. In addition, Norton 2005 is complex software and there
are those with
> troubles with it. Those problems should not be made into the broad and
ridiculou statement
> that "his whole AV game is a complete scam...". Don't paint all AV
vendors with such a
> broad brush. It is neither a sham nor a scam. Maybe you should be
blaming your "olleague"
> for failing to maintain his computer properly and for not following Safe
Hex practices.
>
I don't make any claim to be an expert in OS. I know a little bit about the
registry, its purpose, what the function of dlls are, but not which ones are
mischievous or corrupting. For example if a scan throws up a rogue dll file,
is it safe to delete it outright, or would that affect normal system files
from operating? It's a minefield. But anyway, I suspect the problem with my
colleague's system is that his PC already been contaminated by viruses and
therefore he can't download NAV 2005 properly as such malware might be
corrupting his files as soon as they are downloaded. To make matters worse,
he can't find his system disk, so a re-install is going to be a problem. I
don't really know. What I do know is that the battle against malware is a
losing one, very time consuming to defeat (if you can), and costly as you
have to keep stumping up more to the AV software manufacturers or 'experts'
to sort it all out for the time being.

Hex practices? Don't know what you mean . Hex is Greek for 6 AFAIK, and
that's about it for me.

"TheDog" <dog@dog.com> wrote in message
news:d75iob$f47$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>
> Well Frank, I find it amazing that because you have had one bad experience
> with Norton 2005 "bloatware"; you are now convinced that the "whole" AV
game
> is a complete scam.
>
> I have used a simple little AV program called NOD32 for years. It is only
a
> small program, and it uses very little memory. It has protected me from
> literally hundreds of virus/worm/trojan infections over the years, and I
> have NEVER had a moments trouble with it.
>
> Maybe, if you were ever unfortunate enough to be infected with "Chernobyl"
> or "Trojan.W32.Killfiles.h" malware, you would instantly alter your
opinion.
>
> Anyway, whether or not you use AV software is entirely up to you. I,
> personally, would not be without my beloved NOD32.
>
> P.S. If you do ever get "virused-up", you might find this simple (and
FREE)
> little program very handy.
>
> It's called RescueME, and you can download it here:
>
> http://www.rescueme4win.org/
>
Thanks. I'll bear it in mind. I just hope it doesn't say 'Installation
Successful' once installed and then when you try to carry out certain tasks,
gives you error message 'internal program error 33333??'

In news:42960be3@212.67.96.135,
Frank Booth Snr <frank@oldman.com> typed:
> The lengths people go to over AVS makes me wonder where they are
> coming from.
>
> A colleague purchased Norton AVS 2005. He tried to install it and was
> told, 'installation successful'. He then scanned his computer and
> found some 'threats'. He supposedly deleted the threats. On looking
> at the status page he saw that the 'protection from worms' had a
> cross by it together with the word 'error'. When he tried 'live
> update' he was informed that the program had an 'internal error'. Out
> of interest I tried helping him by uninstalling his NAV program then
> re-installing, but with the same end result, and the 'threats' had
> not been deleted, and 'internal program error 33....whatever.
>
> This whole AV game is a complete scam IMO. The software is full of
> bugs, doesn't install properly, and try getting technical support
> without paying through the nose or ringing India. And of course it
> does not protect you from anything as so many people have already
> found to their cost.
>
> I think I'll continue to settle for life without AV software, and I've
> advised my colleague to ask for his money back.

AVG freeware by Grisoft will be a relief also, if you try it. Not gigantic,
like Norton, or McAfee. I don't know why they keep writing software to take
over your pc. IMHO. To work right, you need to update your patterns very
frequently and engines also. AVG does this automatically. See the link to my
website below, I have a bunch of AV, Antispam help. Yes its a shame that
Viruses and Spam are out there, but if you take the time to learn, its
pretty routine after a while.

--
Tommy
tommyATlee9_2000(removethis)ATyahooATcom
www.hal-pc.org/~toner27

On Thu, 26 May 2005 23:34:09 +0100, "Frank Booth Snr"
<frank@oldman.com> wrote:

[Snip]

>
>Hex practices? Don't know what you mean . Hex is Greek for 6 AFAIK, and
>that's about it for me.
>

Frank; take a few minutes to read the following pages:
<http://www.claymania.com/prevent.html> &
<http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html> for a good primer on virus
prevention and Safe Hex.


Cheers-

Jeff Setaro
jasetaro@SPAM_ME_NOT_mags.net
http://people.mags.net/jasetaro/
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