EICAR... my friend!

Hi all.

Do you like EICAR )?

http://arnold.mcdonald.free.fr/indexArticles.html

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AMcD

http://arnold.mcdonald.free.fr/
(still in fossilization progress but now in english, thus the whole world
can see my laziness)

"Arnold McDonald (AMcD)" <arnold.mcdonald@free.fr> wrote in message news:3efb7c17$0$11648$626a54ce@news.free.fr...
> Hi all.
>
> Do you like EICAR )?
>
> http://arnold.mcdonald.free.fr/indexArticles.html

I await the "forthcoming" articles...looks interesting.
....but in light of,

===
Informations given here are not free of rights! No part of this site
shall be reproduced, translated, adapted, stored or transmitted in
any form or by any means without my authorization.
===

....should I get your permission before caching pages?

I may already have stored a local copy of some of your pages...sorry.

FromTheRafters wrote:
> ===
> Informations given here are not free of rights! No part of this site
> shall be reproduced, translated, adapted, stored or transmitted in
> any form or by any means without my authorization.
> ===
>
> ...should I get your permission before caching pages?

Well, I don't see the word "cached"... ;o)

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AMcD

http://arnold.mcdonald.free.fr/
(still in fossilization progress but now in english, thus the whole
world can see my laziness)

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:05:00 +0200, "Arnold McDonald \(AMcD\)"
<arnold.mcdonald@free.fr> wrote:

>Hi all.
>
>Do you like EICAR )?
>
>http://arnold.mcdonald.free.fr/indexArticles.html

I found the debut article on EICAR to be very interesting.
I'm not an ASM coder, so much of the coding detail flew over my head,
but the concept was appreciated.
I'm somewhat confused by Fred Bonroy lending his imprimatur to anything
that discusses infection procedures, when he very recently came out in
support of suppressing such information.

Bart

Bart Bailey wrote:
> I found the debut article on EICAR to be very interesting.
> I'm not an ASM coder, so much of the coding detail flew over my head,
> but the concept was appreciated.

Thx.

> I'm somewhat confused by Fred Bonroy lending his imprimatur to
> anything that discusses infection procedures, when he very recently
> came out in support of suppressing such information.

He charged me $10.000 )

--
AMcD

http://arnold.mcdonald.free.fr/
(still in fossilization progress but now in english, thus the whole
world can see my laziness)

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 14:14:59 +0200, Frederic Bonroy <yorbon@yahoo.fr>
wrote:

>Bart Bailey wrote:
>
>> I'm somewhat confused by Fred Bonroy lending his imprimatur to anything
>> that discusses infection procedures, when he very recently came out in
>> support of suppressing such information.
>
>You misunderestimated me. ;-)
>
>I doubt that the virus described in the article will do much harm,
>and it's for, uh, "educational purposes".

....and the UoC isn't in involved just such an endeavor,
"educational purposes", that is?

At least Fridrik's product fared better than the others <g>

Bart

Bart Bailey wrote:

> ...and the UoC isn't in involved just such an endeavor,
> "educational purposes", that is?

I doubt that they are going to write overwriting .com viruses only,
especially if they "infect" only files names goat.com in the current
directory.

Nick FitzGerald wrote:

> Your rights disclaimer is abject, unenforceable gibberish (mind you,
> the latter is not surprising given the quality of understanding shown
> in the EICAR page itself...).

Hehe, I suppose I was right to warn Arnold that messing with EICAR
was going to attract harsh criticism. :-)

I can't speak for him but I think the article enquires more than it
states, so it's meant to be explorative rather than authoritative.
It's an interesting analysis of how AV programs react. Given the
constraints imposed by the definition of the EICAR, it may not make
sense to conduct such an analysis from the *scientific* point of
view but it's surely interesting for us, the "populace".

This said, without knowing to which parts of the article you object
to and why I cannot really agree or disagree with you. Would you
mind elaborating?

Nick FitzGerald wrote:
> As if further proof of his stupidity were need, "Arnold McDonald
> (AMcD)" saw fit to scrawl:
>
>> FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> ===
>>> Informations given here are not free of rights! No part of this site
>>> shall be reproduced, translated, adapted, stored or transmitted in
>>> any form or by any means without my authorization.
>>> ===
>>>
>>> ...should I get your permission before caching pages?
>>
>> Well, I don't see the word "cached"... ;o)
>
> How do you cache a web page without also "storing" it?
>
> Then, once you work that one out, please explain how anyone would be
> able to view said web page without having it "transmitted" over the
> network to the machine running their browser.

It's just that I planed to offer some other material on this site : articles
and tutorials or software; from me, but also from mates. You know what real
life is: copycats everywhere. So, I chose to write a disclaimer. A clumsy
one? Sorry. I'll add some points.

> And don't even get me started on the legal nuances that can be
> encompassed under "reproduced"...

I won't.

> Your rights disclaimer is abject, unenforceable gibberish (mind you,
> the latter is not surprising given the quality of understanding shown
> in the EICAR page itself...).

Ow! Coarseness now... Maybe the disclaimer is clumsy, I'll correct it, but
it's not a reason to insult me. Just a bit of courtesy man! A learned and
eminent specialist like you should understand the title: "Let's have
fun...". If the quality is poor why don't you tell me why? Perhaps you
didn't understand the object of the text?

Above all, just remenber one thing: I don't care what rude people think of
me!

Kindest regards,

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AMcD

http://arnold.mcdonald.free.fr/
(still in fossilization progress but now in english, thus the whole
world can see my laziness)

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:40:32 -0400, kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>all things considered, you *could* inspire the next 'he who can't be
>named'... i think he used a similar justification for some of his work...

Speaking of the ineffable one,
Whatever happened to him?

Last I heard he was just up the coast from here.

Bart