Audio CD to ATRAC ?

I bought an mp3 player yesterday and have been trying out ATRAC recordings.
The software that came with it, SonicStage is, to put it mildly, absolute
crap. After spending AGES trying to figure it out, i then pressed 'create
atrac cd' and it got to 90% and fails with EVERY CD !!!. Both burners do the
same, and it's not the burners as they're fine with NERO. Anyway one of them
is a Sony CDRW drive !!!!!!!!

To cut a long story short, is there another way of getting an Audio CD to
ATRAC without having to use Sonic ?


Cheers
Andy

"Andy100" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in
news:ct3gsh$gnj$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk:

> I bought an mp3 player yesterday and have been trying out ATRAC
> recordings. The software that came with it, SonicStage is, to put it
> mildly, absolute crap. After spending AGES trying to figure it out, i
> then pressed 'create atrac cd' and it got to 90% and fails with EVERY
> CD !!!. Both burners do the same, and it's not the burners as they're
> fine with NERO. Anyway one of them is a Sony CDRW drive !!!!!!!!
>
> To cut a long story short, is there another way of getting an Audio CD
> to ATRAC without having to use Sonic ?
>
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
>
>

I have a Sony portable CD player and I have never used the ALTRAC
format. I am curious why you would bother using. ALTRAC is a Sony
proprietary format, IIRC. You will have trouble finding software
outside of Sony.

Dumb question. Have you contacted their support? Check forums? You
may be able to get some help there. I refuse to use it. MP3 works for
me .


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>On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:04:50 -0000, "Andy100" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>I bought an mp3 player yesterday and have been trying out ATRAC recordings.
>The software that came with it, SonicStage is, to put it mildly, absolute
>crap. After spending AGES trying to figure it out, i then pressed 'create
>atrac cd' and it got to 90% and fails with EVERY CD !!!. Both burners do the
>same, and it's not the burners as they're fine with NERO. Anyway one of them
>is a Sony CDRW drive !!!!!!!!
>
>To cut a long story short, is there another way of getting an Audio CD to
>ATRAC without having to use Sonic ?
>
>Cheers
>Andy
>
President of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) Ken Kutaragi has
stated that Sony has missed out on the sales of MP3 players and other
gadgets by sticking to proprietary formats such as ATRAC. ATRAC
(Adaptive Transform Acoustic Coding) is a psychoacoustic audio coding
and compression system used exclusively by Sony in, for example,
MiniDisc devices and Sony Connect online music store.

According to Kutaragi he and other Sony employees have been frustrated
with the company's reluctance to release products that support the more
popular MP3 format, such as the Apple iPod. The reason for the
reluctance was mostly because Sony, which is also a major player in the
music and movie industry, has had concerns about content rights.

The tables are slowly turning at Sony, and Kutaragi sees that new
devices, such as the PlayStation Portable (PSP) will help Sony to reach
levels of success it enjoyed in the past with Walkman and other
innovative products.

Sony is boosting production to one million a month this spring to keep
up with demand for the PSP. The device has sold over 800,000 units in
Japan since going on sale December 12th. US and European launches are
set for this spring.

http://www.vaio.net/sonyvaio549.html

Do You have the latest version of SonicStage® v2.3?

http://esupport.sony.com/perl/select-software.pl

This utility installs the MP3 Conversion Tool software
SMFCUSETUP09152.EXE with the following capabilities:

* Convert bulk MP3 files to ATRAC format up front, without needing to
'import' into SonicStage application first.
* Saves valuable time by eliminating the need to convert files during
transfer to your Sony portable device.
* Simple application that runs in the background of Windows, allowing
you to utilize other applications during the conversion process.

Then burn with Nero.

"Andy100" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ct3gsh$gnj$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...

[SNIPPED]

> To cut a long story short, is there another way of getting an Audio CD to
> ATRAC without having to use Sonic ?

I figure you've got a NW-HD1, and as far as I'm aware you're pretty much
stuck with Sonic. Sonic sucks, there's no two ways about it. Nice player,
shabby software. Get in touch with a Sony Centre near you and ask if
they'll
upgrade your ATRAC-only player to MP3 (it's a firmware update and will
cost you about £15). I had a HD1 until about, oh, three days ago and had
the firmware upgraded to support MP3. All of my similar-sounding problems
went out the window after that. (Now I've got a nice, red HD3 and it gives
me wood. Serious wood. Mahogany.)

Mel wrote:

> * Convert bulk MP3 files to ATRAC format up front, without needing to
> 'import' into SonicStage application first.

Again, as I stated in another thread, this is a bad idea. ATRAC and MP3
are both lossy compression formats, meaning that data is lost in the
conversion from the initial source. If you convert MP3s to ATRAC, you
get all the artifacts introduced in the conversion from the original CD
to MP3, plus an additional helping of sonic crud in the translation from
MP3 to ATRAC. If at all possible, go back to the original CD and encode
from there. It might be a little more work, but it will pay off every
time you listen to your music.

>On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:37:00 -0500, Joe Silver <joesilver@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Again, as I stated in another thread, this is a bad idea.
>
So why are you stating it again if you already stated it in another
thread?

My CD Walkman (XP-ZV616), isn't listed there and so i cannot proceed with
the download of vers 2.3.

Thanks
Andrew


"Mel" <MJ@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:qsiav0dr5b2s2pobo7ttsi3af51q11ls5p@4ax.com...
> >On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:04:50 -0000, "Andy100" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >I bought an mp3 player yesterday and have been trying out ATRAC
recordings.
> >The software that came with it, SonicStage is, to put it mildly, absolute
> >crap. After spending AGES trying to figure it out, i then pressed 'create
> >atrac cd' and it got to 90% and fails with EVERY CD !!!. Both burners do
the
> >same, and it's not the burners as they're fine with NERO. Anyway one of
them
> >is a Sony CDRW drive !!!!!!!!
> >
> >To cut a long story short, is there another way of getting an Audio CD to
> >ATRAC without having to use Sonic ?
> >
> >Cheers
> >Andy
> >
> President of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) Ken Kutaragi has
> stated that Sony has missed out on the sales of MP3 players and other
> gadgets by sticking to proprietary formats such as ATRAC. ATRAC
> (Adaptive Transform Acoustic Coding) is a psychoacoustic audio coding
> and compression system used exclusively by Sony in, for example,
> MiniDisc devices and Sony Connect online music store.
>
> According to Kutaragi he and other Sony employees have been frustrated
> with the company's reluctance to release products that support the more
> popular MP3 format, such as the Apple iPod. The reason for the
> reluctance was mostly because Sony, which is also a major player in the
> music and movie industry, has had concerns about content rights.
>
> The tables are slowly turning at Sony, and Kutaragi sees that new
> devices, such as the PlayStation Portable (PSP) will help Sony to reach
> levels of success it enjoyed in the past with Walkman and other
> innovative products.
>
> Sony is boosting production to one million a month this spring to keep
> up with demand for the PSP. The device has sold over 800,000 units in
> Japan since going on sale December 12th. US and European launches are
> set for this spring.
>
> http://www.vaio.net/sonyvaio549.html
>
> Do You have the latest version of SonicStage® v2.3?
>
> http://esupport.sony.com/perl/select-software.pl
>
> This utility installs the MP3 Conversion Tool software
> SMFCUSETUP09152.EXE with the following capabilities:
>
> * Convert bulk MP3 files to ATRAC format up front, without needing to
> 'import' into SonicStage application first.
> * Saves valuable time by eliminating the need to convert files during
> transfer to your Sony portable device.
> * Simple application that runs in the background of Windows, allowing
> you to utilize other applications during the conversion process.
>
> Then burn with Nero.

>On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 06:11:11 -0000, "Andy100" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>My CD Walkman (XP-ZV616), isn't listed there and so i cannot proceed with
>the download of vers 2.3.
>
>Thanks
>Andrew
>
Aiwa XP-ZV616
Portable Audio
Features
MP3 ATRAC3 Plus Playback
LCD Display & ID3 Tag
85HR Long Battery Life
256kbps High bit rate Compression for High Quality Sound
CD-R/RW Playback
LCD Display


Download Information

Filename Version Size Last Modified
SonicStageInstaller.exe 2.3 570 KB 12-21-2004
External Link

This driver or software update is available from the following location.
Please click the link to open a new window to this site.

http://esupport.sony.com/install/po...pgrd-redir.html

Mel wrote:
> >On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:37:00 -0500, Joe Silver
<joesilver@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >Again, as I stated in another thread, this is a bad idea.
> >
> So why are you stating it again if you already stated it in another
> thread?

I do make a point of trying never to write anything in a new post that
I've already written ever in a previous post in any newsgroup - or even
to use any of the same words. However, I thought perhaps someone
might be reading this thread who hadn't seen the other one, and in my
humble opinion the point I was making was important enough to be
reiterated and embellished a bit.

Mel, thanks for the advice, but i have downloaded the file
SMFCUSETUP09152.EXE and ran it. I get some .OMA files. I try to burn with
Nero, but it is not recognised in my ATRAC CD player. I burned it as a 'Data
CD' in Nero, firstly the files on their own - didn't work. Then i put the
files in a folder anfd burned it - still no luck.

The .OMA files i get, how do i burn them in Nero ?


Cheers
Andy


"Mel" <MJ@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:qsiav0dr5b2s2pobo7ttsi3af51q11ls5p@4ax.com...
> >On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:04:50 -0000, "Andy100" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >I bought an mp3 player yesterday and have been trying out ATRAC
recordings.
> >The software that came with it, SonicStage is, to put it mildly, absolute
> >crap. After spending AGES trying to figure it out, i then pressed 'create
> >atrac cd' and it got to 90% and fails with EVERY CD !!!. Both burners do
the
> >same, and it's not the burners as they're fine with NERO. Anyway one of
them
> >is a Sony CDRW drive !!!!!!!!
> >
> >To cut a long story short, is there another way of getting an Audio CD to
> >ATRAC without having to use Sonic ?
> >
> >Cheers
> >Andy
> >
> President of Sony Computer Entertainment Inc. (SCEI) Ken Kutaragi has
> stated that Sony has missed out on the sales of MP3 players and other
> gadgets by sticking to proprietary formats such as ATRAC. ATRAC
> (Adaptive Transform Acoustic Coding) is a psychoacoustic audio coding
> and compression system used exclusively by Sony in, for example,
> MiniDisc devices and Sony Connect online music store.
>
> According to Kutaragi he and other Sony employees have been frustrated
> with the company's reluctance to release products that support the more
> popular MP3 format, such as the Apple iPod. The reason for the
> reluctance was mostly because Sony, which is also a major player in the
> music and movie industry, has had concerns about content rights.
>
> The tables are slowly turning at Sony, and Kutaragi sees that new
> devices, such as the PlayStation Portable (PSP) will help Sony to reach
> levels of success it enjoyed in the past with Walkman and other
> innovative products.
>
> Sony is boosting production to one million a month this spring to keep
> up with demand for the PSP. The device has sold over 800,000 units in
> Japan since going on sale December 12th. US and European launches are
> set for this spring.
>
> http://www.vaio.net/sonyvaio549.html
>
> Do You have the latest version of SonicStage® v2.3?
>
> http://esupport.sony.com/perl/select-software.pl
>
> This utility installs the MP3 Conversion Tool software
> SMFCUSETUP09152.EXE with the following capabilities:
>
> * Convert bulk MP3 files to ATRAC format up front, without needing to
> 'import' into SonicStage application first.
> * Saves valuable time by eliminating the need to convert files during
> transfer to your Sony portable device.
> * Simple application that runs in the background of Windows, allowing
> you to utilize other applications during the conversion process.
>
> Then burn with Nero.