[PL] PGP description is wrong

http://pricelesswarehome.org/2005/P...#EncryptionTool

This is what is currently written:

Description: PGP® or Pretty Good Privacy® is a public key encryption
program originally written by Phil Zimmermann in 1991. PGP is a powerful
cryptographic product family that enables people to securely exchange email
messages, and to secure files, disk volumes and network connections with
both privacy and strong authentication.

http://www.pgp.com/downloads/freeware/index.html says this:

> PGP Freeware product capabilities/limitations:
>
> * Does not include PGP Disk
> * Does not include automatic encryption of email file attachments
> * Does not provide plug-in integration with Outlook, Outlook Express,
or other email applications on any platform
> * Does not operate with PGP Admin or other PGP deployment tools

Therefore, the description should read:

Description: PGP® or Pretty Good Privacy® is a public key encryption
program, enabling people to securely exchange email messages.

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Iain Cheyne wrote:

> http://pricelesswarehome.org/2005/P...#EncryptionTool
>
> This is what is currently written:
>
> Description: PGP® or Pretty Good Privacy® is a public key encryption
> program originally written by Phil Zimmermann in 1991. PGP is a powerful
> cryptographic product family that enables people to securely exchange email
> messages, and to secure files, disk volumes and network connections with
> both privacy and strong authentication.
>
> http://www.pgp.com/downloads/freeware/index.html says this:
>
>
>>PGP Freeware product capabilities/limitations:
>>
>> * Does not include PGP Disk
>> * Does not include automatic encryption of email file attachments
>> * Does not provide plug-in integration with Outlook, Outlook Express,
>
> or other email applications on any platform
>
>> * Does not operate with PGP Admin or other PGP deployment tools
>
> Therefore, the description should read:
>
> Description: PGP® or Pretty Good Privacy® is a public key encryption
> program, enabling people to securely exchange email messages.

It does do file encryption. At the top of the page it says: "PGP
Freeware offers basic PGP encryption capability for messages and files,
but does not include many features available in other PGP products."

I looked for a *real* description last December but couldn't find one. I
need some help from the people who use this app. What *can* version 8.1
do? Is there a description in the help file we can use?

The PL description is here:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/20...ITY.php#0583-PW

Susan
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I installed it and saw nothing obvious that would help me with file
encryption. I uninstalled it, so I cannot tell you about the help file.
--
Iain

> Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote:

>It does do file encryption. At the top of the page it says: "PGP
>Freeware offers basic PGP encryption capability for messages and files,
>but does not include many features available in other PGP products."

>I looked for a *real* description last December but couldn't find one. I
>need some help from the people who use this app. What *can* version 8.1
>do? Is there a description in the help file we can use?

>The PL description is here:

>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/20...ITY.php#0583-PW


The good news is that PGP was acquired from NAI and Phil Zimmermann is
back.

The bad news is that the freeware version can easily be dubbed
crippleware, depending on exactly what the user desires. The new
corporation is out to make a profit.

http://www.pgp.com/downloads/freeware/index.html

Even for email encryption, operations are crippled. It looks like file
encryption is the only portion not crippled. There is no PGPDisk in
the freeware version.


I suggest TrueCrypt, which is a full blown open source clone of the
commercial version of PGP for Win XP, 2000, and 2003.

http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/



Can anyone make better recommendations here?

Win 9x-ME might have to rely on Encryption for the Masses:

http://www.woundedmoon.org/win32/e4m202a.html

Or ScramDisk:

http://www.woundedmoon.org/win32/sd301r3c.html

These don't do email, but a text file can be encrypted and attached,
or pasted into the message body. This isn't all that far from the
actions required for the crippled PGP freeware.

For DOS disk encryption: Secure File System

http://www.woundedmoon.org/msdos.html



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REM wrote:

>>Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote:

>>I looked for a *real* description last December but couldn't find one. I
>>need some help from the people who use this app. What *can* version 8.1
>>do? Is there a description in the help file we can use?
>
>>The PL description is here:
>
>>http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/20...ITY.php#0583-PW
>
> The good news is that PGP was acquired from NAI and Phil Zimmermann is
> back.
>
> The bad news is that the freeware version can easily be dubbed
> crippleware, depending on exactly what the user desires. The new
> corporation is out to make a profit.
>
> http://www.pgp.com/downloads/freeware/index.html
>
> Even for email encryption, operations are crippled. It looks like file
> encryption is the only portion not crippled. There is no PGPDisk in
> the freeware version.

Okay. FWIW:

"PGP Desktop Feature Comparison"
http://www.pgp.com/library/datasheets/index.html

That page doesn't include the free version. . .

> I suggest TrueCrypt, which is a full blown open source clone of the
> commercial version of PGP for Win XP, 2000, and 2003.
>
> http://truecrypt.sourceforge.net/
>
> Can anyone make better recommendations here?

Whoa Nellie. I'm just trying to tidy up the PL2005 PGP description.

TrueCrypt was nominated for PL2005 - it didn't make the cut - maybe it
will next year. . .

I'll change the PGP description from Freeware to Liteware.

What should I take out of the sentence below? Is there anything I should
add? Perhaps leave that sentence - which describes the "product family"
and add another sentence about the freeware version?

"PGP is a powerful cryptographic product family that enables people to
securely exchange email messages, and to secure files, disk volumes and
network connections with both privacy and strong authentication."

TIA

Susan
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>Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote:

>> Can anyone make better recommendations here?

>Whoa Nellie. I'm just trying to tidy up the PL2005 PGP description.

Just trying to locate the best programs.


>TrueCrypt was nominated for PL2005 - it didn't make the cut - maybe it
>will next year. . .

>I'll change the PGP description from Freeware to Liteware.

>What should I take out of the sentence below? Is there anything I should
>add? Perhaps leave that sentence - which describes the "product family"
>and add another sentence about the freeware version?

>"PGP is a powerful cryptographic product family that enables people to
>securely exchange email messages, and to secure files, disk volumes and
>network connections with both privacy and strong authentication."

"PGP is a powerful cryptographic product family that enables people to
securely exchange email messages and to encrypt files. Previously the
standard in freeware strong, open source cryptography, the program has
moved very far into the commercial arena The freeware version is
severely limited in comparison to other quality programs."

That's what I'd say. Is there anyway to review the features between
PGP freeware and TrueCrypt open source and reconsider the PL
recommendation here?

I'd rate PGP severly crippled and TrueCrypt priceless.




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REM wrote:
>>Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net> wrote:

>>>Can anyone make better recommendations here?
>
>>Whoa Nellie. I'm just trying to tidy up the PL2005 PGP description.
>
> Just trying to locate the best programs.
>
>>TrueCrypt was nominated for PL2005 - it didn't make the cut - maybe it
>>will next year. . .
>
>>I'll change the PGP description from Freeware to Liteware.
>
>>What should I take out of the sentence below? Is there anything I should
>>add? Perhaps leave that sentence - which describes the "product family"
>>and add another sentence about the freeware version?
>
>>"PGP is a powerful cryptographic product family that enables people to
>>securely exchange email messages, and to secure files, disk volumes and
>>network connections with both privacy and strong authentication."

> "PGP is a powerful cryptographic product family that enables people to
> securely exchange email messages and to encrypt files. Previously the
> standard in freeware strong, open source cryptography, the program has
> moved very far into the commercial arena The freeware version is
> severely limited in comparison to other quality programs."
>
> That's what I'd say. Is there anyway to review the features between
> PGP freeware and TrueCrypt open source and reconsider the PL
> recommendation here?
>
> I'd rate PGP severly crippled and TrueCrypt priceless.

It is possible to reconsider now if the group wants to but IMO it's not
our best course of action. ISTM "cumparison" discussions should take
place *during* the PL selection process - not afterward.

We had a month to discuss the pros and cons of these two apps prior to
the vote and more time for discussion afterward. If we failed to have an
adequate discussion during the PL selection process I don't think we
should reopen the PL2005 discussion now in hopes of doing better. . .

IMO once we have selected an app for the PL it should be removed only
for "cause": it's payware, adware, spyware etc.

my 2 cents worth. . .

FWIW the vote was close, 9 for PGP, 8 for TrueCrypt.

Susan
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Susan Bugher wrote:

> REM wrote:
> > I'd rate PGP severly crippled and TrueCrypt priceless.

Me too. I cannot understand why PGP was voted Pricelessware.

> IMO once we have selected an app for the PL it should be removed only

> for "cause": it's payware, adware, spyware etc.

I agree with this as well. The people have spoken, even if it was a
strange decision.

REM's text is OK, but too strong. I prefer:

"PGP is a powerful cryptographic product family that enables people to
securely exchange email messages and to encrypt files. The freeware
version is severely limited in comparison to the payware version."
--
Iain

Iain Cheyne wrote:
> Susan Bugher wrote:
>>REM wrote:

>>>I'd rate PGP severly crippled and TrueCrypt priceless.
>
> Me too. I cannot understand why PGP was voted Pricelessware.
>
>>IMO once we have selected an app for the PL it should be removed only
>>for "cause": it's payware, adware, spyware etc.
>
> I agree with this as well. The people have spoken, even if it was a
> strange decision.

My hunch is that many people are using older versions of PGP. AFAIK
these are still available for download - we might want to discuss
changing the *version* that's shown on the PL.

> REM's text is OK, but too strong. I prefer:
>
> "PGP is a powerful cryptographic product family that enables people to
> securely exchange email messages and to encrypt files. The freeware
> version is severely limited in comparison to the payware version."

I finished a bunch of updates and revisions and uploaded a revised set
of PL pages - with a somewhat revised description for PGP. Further
changes in the PGP description can be made as needed.

Susan
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:07:07 -0500, Susan Bugher <whoisebugher@kvi.net>
wrote:

>My hunch is that many people are using older versions of PGP. AFAIK
>these are still available for download - we might want to discuss
>changing the *version* that's shown on the PL.

I still use PGP602i ... it includes the "PGP-Disk" encryption ....
it worked on W98/W98se/Millenium/Nt4 (Workstation & Server),
W2K (including Advanced Server!) and now I use it with Windows
XP (Media Edition even).... pretty fine Freeware .. and priceless as
well :-)

HTH.
C.