Hot to Very Hot ?

Hi, How hot should a 9700 pro run at. I have a temp probe under the cooling
fan right at the center of where the chip is, It's running at 48 deg C in
standby, 59 deg C in the desktop and 72 deg C+ in 3D games. Are these temps
to high ?

Thanks for any reply's....

My Tyan 9700pro board is around 50deg C idle and up to 60deg C during
gaming

stock coling on it, no overclocking, and it has onboard hardware monitoring

What is a good alternative cooler for this card ?
I was thinking about using a P2 slot 1 heatsink and fan.

"Athura" <Athura@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bgekps$fo1$1@lust.ihug.co.nz...
> My Tyan 9700pro board is around 50deg C idle and up to 60deg C during
> gaming
>
> stock coling on it, no overclocking, and it has onboard hardware
monitoring
>
>

On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:56:14 GMT, john.dsl@verizon.net (John Lewis)
waffled on about something:

>On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 05:21:42 GMT, "A Thiel" <athiel@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>Hi, How hot should a 9700 pro run at. I have a temp probe under the cooling
>>fan right at the center of where the chip is, It's running at 48 deg C in
>>standby, 59 deg C in the desktop and 72 deg C+ in 3D games. Are these temps
>>to high ?
>>
>
>Normal for the 9700 Pro.
>
>Too high for long-term reliability. At 72deg C measured, the GPU chip
>is probably running at over 80 degreesC, considering that you are
>measuring immediately under the fan and not on the chip itself.
>
>As a comparison, Intel P4 CPU are spec'd for ~70deg C maximium
>chip-temp. The circuit complexity, process-technology, estimated
>dissipation for the 9700, 9800 GPUs are very similar to a 2.6GHz P4.
>
>Ati seems to care little about reliability. They publish no thermal
>specs, nor dissipation figures for their parts and provide no built-in
>thermal monitoring even on their highest-performance video cards.
>(I wonder why ?? )

Or a decent fan in the case of the 8500DV I have! It rattles like a
bugger... I think it will almost be a relief when it finally falls
off... Well for about for about 5 seconds anyway.

D0d6y.
--
MUSHROOMS ARE THE OPIATE OF THE MOOSES

On 2 Aug 2003 01:55:04 -0700
the_bathroom_wall@yahoo.com (ex guillemot) wrote:

> I wouldn't touch Thrustmaster/Hercules/Guillemot anymore. The company
> is about to close. I used t work for them, about a month ago, they
> laid everybody off from North America, and the rest of the world also.
> They kept a couple of people to "finish off projects" to be released
> and generate that extra cash. There are no testers, no new drivers
> will be released for any of the products. Support is hardly any, there
> are two people to do support/RMA's for the WHOLE WORLD. They changed
> their contact information, try to find it. They make you have to
> register the product, then you get the support phone numbers and
> support emails addresses, but guess what, it doesn't work, that is
> because there is no web team anymore. All in all by sept, Guillemot
> will be no more,save yourself alot of headaches
>
> Ex Guillemot/Thrustmaster/Hercules worker

And this is relevant to the operating temperatures of ATI boards
how? Or are you perhaps laboring under the misconception that ATI is
part of T/H/G?

> Dodgy <Dodgy@earth.planet.universe> wrote in message
> news:<248mivk62k6u9d26agf0igeut6klsd6qec@4ax.com>...
> > On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:56:14 GMT, john.dsl@verizon.net (John Lewis)
> > waffled on about something:
> >
> > >On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 05:21:42 GMT, "A Thiel" <athiel@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > >
> > >>Hi, How hot should a 9700 pro run at. I have a temp probe under
> > >the cooling>fan right at the center of where the chip is, It's
> > >running at 48 deg C in>standby, 59 deg C in the desktop and 72 deg
> > >C+ in 3D games. Are these temps>to high ?
> > >>
> > >
> > >Normal for the 9700 Pro.
> > >
> > >Too high for long-term reliability. At 72deg C measured, the GPU
> > >chip is probably running at over 80 degreesC, considering that you
> > >are measuring immediately under the fan and not on the chip itself.
> > >
> > >As a comparison, Intel P4 CPU are spec'd for ~70deg C maximium
> > >chip-temp. The circuit complexity, process-technology, estimated
> > >dissipation for the 9700, 9800 GPUs are very similar to a 2.6GHz
> > >P4.
> > >
> > >Ati seems to care little about reliability. They publish no thermal
> > >
> > >specs, nor dissipation figures for their parts and provide no
> > >built-in thermal monitoring even on their highest-performance video
> > >cards.(I wonder why ?? )
> >
> > Or a decent fan in the case of the 8500DV I have! It rattles like a
> > bugger... I think it will almost be a relief when it finally falls
> > off... Well for about for about 5 seconds anyway.
> >
> > D0d6y.


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--John
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

"J.Clarke" <jclarke@attglobal.net> wrote
> the_bathroom_wall@yahoo.com (ex guillemot) wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't touch Thrustmaster/Hercules/Guillemot anymore. The company
> > is about to close. I used t work for them, about a month ago, they
> > laid everybody off from North America, and the rest of the world also.
> > They kept a couple of people to "finish off projects" to be released
> > and generate that extra cash. There are no testers, no new drivers
> > will be released for any of the products. Support is hardly any, there
> > are two people to do support/RMA's for the WHOLE WORLD. They changed
> > their contact information, try to find it. They make you have to
> > register the product, then you get the support phone numbers and
> > support emails addresses, but guess what, it doesn't work, that is
> > because there is no web team anymore. All in all by sept, Guillemot
> > will be no more,save yourself alot of headaches
> >
> > Ex Guillemot/Thrustmaster/Hercules worker
>
> And this is relevant to the operating temperatures of ATI boards
> how? Or are you perhaps laboring under the misconception that ATI is
> part of T/H/G?

I winced when I read this - Hercules make (made ?) ATI based VidCards & I
have TWO Hercules 8500s, an AIW 8500DV & an 8500LE FDX. :-(((

Luckily, they both work fine so warranty shouldn't be an issue (cross
fingers.) & ATI's own drivers seem to work with them both...

Ciao...

[UK]_Nick...

"J.Clarke" <jclarke@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:20030802071201.6e3e29da.jclarke@attglobal.net...
> On 2 Aug 2003 01:55:04 -0700
> the_bathroom_wall@yahoo.com (ex guillemot) wrote:
>
> > I wouldn't touch Thrustmaster/Hercules/Guillemot anymore. The company
> > is about to close. I used t work for them, about a month ago, they
> > laid everybody off from North America, and the rest of the world also.
> > They kept a couple of people to "finish off projects" to be released
> > and generate that extra cash. There are no testers, no new drivers
> > will be released for any of the products. Support is hardly any, there
> > are two people to do support/RMA's for the WHOLE WORLD. They changed
> > their contact information, try to find it. They make you have to
> > register the product, then you get the support phone numbers and
> > support emails addresses, but guess what, it doesn't work, that is
> > because there is no web team anymore. All in all by sept, Guillemot
> > will be no more,save yourself alot of headaches
> >
> > Ex Guillemot/Thrustmaster/Hercules worker
>
> And this is relevant to the operating temperatures of ATI boards
> how? Or are you perhaps laboring under the misconception that ATI is
> part of T/H/G?


I agree with your comment, John, but rather than criticising this person, I
think it could be important to encourage them to post this as a new thread -
if true, it's important that ATi users, particularly those thinking of
purchasing cards, should know this. ;-)

patrickp

>
> > Dodgy <Dodgy@earth.planet.universe> wrote in message
> > news:<248mivk62k6u9d26agf0igeut6klsd6qec@4ax.com>...
> > > On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:56:14 GMT, john.dsl@verizon.net (John Lewis)
> > > waffled on about something:
> > >
> > > >On Fri, 01 Aug 2003 05:21:42 GMT, "A Thiel" <athiel@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Hi, How hot should a 9700 pro run at. I have a temp probe under
> > > >the cooling>fan right at the center of where the chip is, It's
> > > >running at 48 deg C in>standby, 59 deg C in the desktop and 72 deg
> > > >C+ in 3D games. Are these temps>to high ?
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >Normal for the 9700 Pro.
> > > >
> > > >Too high for long-term reliability. At 72deg C measured, the GPU
> > > >chip is probably running at over 80 degreesC, considering that you
> > > >are measuring immediately under the fan and not on the chip itself.
> > > >
> > > >As a comparison, Intel P4 CPU are spec'd for ~70deg C maximium
> > > >chip-temp. The circuit complexity, process-technology, estimated
> > > >dissipation for the 9700, 9800 GPUs are very similar to a 2.6GHz
> > > >P4.
> > > >
> > > >Ati seems to care little about reliability. They publish no thermal
> > > >
> > > >specs, nor dissipation figures for their parts and provide no
> > > >built-in thermal monitoring even on their highest-performance video
> > > >cards.(I wonder why ?? )
> > >
> > > Or a decent fan in the case of the 8500DV I have! It rattles like a
> > > bugger... I think it will almost be a relief when it finally falls
> > > off... Well for about for about 5 seconds anyway.
> > >
> > > D0d6y.
>
>
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> --John
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> (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)