Re: New PC won't boot off anything.

tormeyalan@hotmail.com (Sanchobilly) wrote in message news:<c60a5e99.0306170155.31453e8f@posting.google.com>...
> Where to start. OK, I bought a half built PC off the web with the
> intention of scrapping together the remaining parts and finishing it
> off. It came with a VIA p4x266 motherboard but I had to supply the P4
> chip so I bought a 1.4GHz. Nothing worked(couldn't even get a screen)
> so I replaced the motherboard - same story. Next I replaced the chip
> with a P4 1.8GHz and this is where I am now.
> The problem is as folllows:
>
> The machine boots up, I can get into BIOS but on the screen immediatly
> after this the machine freezes: it doesn't reboot, it just locks up. I
> have the bare minimum attached to the motherboard: 32MB graphics card,
> 512MB DDR PC2100 memory and the heatsink for the chip. The two VIA
> motherboards I have freeze at the same place and both give out the one
> short beep at the start, so it's not the motherboard. The P4 chip is
> been recognised as is the memory and it is my understanding that if
> either of them were the problem, I wouldn't even be able to get into
> BIOS. The graphics card I tested in another machine and it works fine.
> I have messed around with nearly every BIOS setting and still the same
> result. The only thing left I can think of is the power supply which
> is 230V but that's standard and it's not like I'm powering anything
> out of the ordinary.
>
> I have tried booting off a floopy,CD and a hard drive all of which I
> know are working but it just seems to lock up before these can get
> powered up and with no error on the screen.
>
> I have already spent enough on this machine but would gladly fork out
> for a new power supply if it worked. I would really, really appreciate
> you guys help on this one as I am completely stumped.


I bought a 450W power supply but it's still the same story on startup.
It didn't go any further towards booting so now I'm replacing some of
the components I can't test. I've ordered another stick of RAM so if
that doesn't do it I'll look into getting another P4 chip even though
this chip seems to work. I'd appreciate any ideas anyone has on this
baffling problem. I'm going to keep posting my progress so this
doesn't happen to anyone else.

Just a thought..I put together a system in an old case that had a bad on/off case switch, sometimes
it would work and others it wouldn't. Went to the local electronics store and bought a new one.
Put it in and found a problem "like" yours. Got so far into POST and died off. Got the beep and
all but when it went to read the HDD, it died. Thought I had a bad everything..swapped to other
computers and/or replace most everything then thought about it over a cup of coffee and a LARGE
Irish Mist.
Turned out that I had not removed the jumper internal to the case switch and it was maintaining
contact across the "on/off" header on the MoBo. Pulled the jumper and all was/is well. Check the
case switch and/or replace.
R. Wink

On 23 Jun 2003 09:09:05 -0700, tormeyalan@hotmail.com (Sanchobilly) wrote:

>tormeyalan@hotmail.com (Sanchobilly) wrote in message news:<c60a5e99.0306170155.31453e8f@posting.google.com>...
>> Where to start. OK, I bought a half built PC off the web with the
>> intention of scrapping together the remaining parts and finishing it
>> off. It came with a VIA p4x266 motherboard but I had to supply the P4
>> chip so I bought a 1.4GHz. Nothing worked(couldn't even get a screen)
>> so I replaced the motherboard - same story. Next I replaced the chip
>> with a P4 1.8GHz and this is where I am now.
>> The problem is as folllows:
>>
>> The machine boots up, I can get into BIOS but on the screen immediatly
>> after this the machine freezes: it doesn't reboot, it just locks up. I
>> have the bare minimum attached to the motherboard: 32MB graphics card,
>> 512MB DDR PC2100 memory and the heatsink for the chip. The two VIA
>> motherboards I have freeze at the same place and both give out the one
>> short beep at the start, so it's not the motherboard. The P4 chip is
>> been recognised as is the memory and it is my understanding that if
>> either of them were the problem, I wouldn't even be able to get into
>> BIOS. The graphics card I tested in another machine and it works fine.
>> I have messed around with nearly every BIOS setting and still the same
>> result. The only thing left I can think of is the power supply which
>> is 230V but that's standard and it's not like I'm powering anything
>> out of the ordinary.
>>
>> I have tried booting off a floopy,CD and a hard drive all of which I
>> know are working but it just seems to lock up before these can get
>> powered up and with no error on the screen.
>>
>> I have already spent enough on this machine but would gladly fork out
>> for a new power supply if it worked. I would really, really appreciate
>> you guys help on this one as I am completely stumped.
>
>
>I bought a 450W power supply but it's still the same story on startup.
>It didn't go any further towards booting so now I'm replacing some of
>the components I can't test. I've ordered another stick of RAM so if
>that doesn't do it I'll look into getting another P4 chip even though
>this chip seems to work. I'd appreciate any ideas anyone has on this
>baffling problem. I'm going to keep posting my progress so this
>doesn't happen to anyone else.

R. Wink <rwwink@evansville.net> wrote in message news:<ub7ffvcii8d0fhq627oqsr46agns3dm1dt@4ax.com>...
> Just a thought..I put together a system in an old case that had a bad on/off case switch, sometimes
> it would work and others it wouldn't. Went to the local electronics store and bought a new one.
> Put it in and found a problem "like" yours. Got so far into POST and died off. Got the beep and
> all but when it went to read the HDD, it died. Thought I had a bad everything..swapped to other
> computers and/or replace most everything then thought about it over a cup of coffee and a LARGE
> Irish Mist.
> Turned out that I had not removed the jumper internal to the case switch and it was maintaining
> contact across the "on/off" header on the MoBo. Pulled the jumper and all was/is well. Check the
> case switch and/or replace.
> R. Wink
>
> On 23 Jun 2003 09:09:05 -0700, tormeyalan@hotmail.com (Sanchobilly) wrote:
>
> >tormeyalan@hotmail.com (Sanchobilly) wrote in message news:<c60a5e99.0306170155.31453e8f@posting.google.com>...
> >> Where to start. OK, I bought a half built PC off the web with the
> >> intention of scrapping together the remaining parts and finishing it
> >> off. It came with a VIA p4x266 motherboard but I had to supply the P4
> >> chip so I bought a 1.4GHz. Nothing worked(couldn't even get a screen)
> >> so I replaced the motherboard - same story. Next I replaced the chip
> >> with a P4 1.8GHz and this is where I am now.
> >> The problem is as folllows:
> >>
> >> The machine boots up, I can get into BIOS but on the screen immediatly
> >> after this the machine freezes: it doesn't reboot, it just locks up. I
> >> have the bare minimum attached to the motherboard: 32MB graphics card,
> >> 512MB DDR PC2100 memory and the heatsink for the chip. The two VIA
> >> motherboards I have freeze at the same place and both give out the one
> >> short beep at the start, so it's not the motherboard. The P4 chip is
> >> been recognised as is the memory and it is my understanding that if
> >> either of them were the problem, I wouldn't even be able to get into
> >> BIOS. The graphics card I tested in another machine and it works fine.
> >> I have messed around with nearly every BIOS setting and still the same
> >> result. The only thing left I can think of is the power supply which
> >> is 230V but that's standard and it's not like I'm powering anything
> >> out of the ordinary.
> >>
> >> I have tried booting off a floopy,CD and a hard drive all of which I
> >> know are working but it just seems to lock up before these can get
> >> powered up and with no error on the screen.
> >>
> >> I have already spent enough on this machine but would gladly fork out
> >> for a new power supply if it worked. I would really, really appreciate
> >> you guys help on this one as I am completely stumped.
> >
> >
> >I bought a 450W power supply but it's still the same story on startup.
> >It didn't go any further towards booting so now I'm replacing some of
> >the components I can't test. I've ordered another stick of RAM so if
> >that doesn't do it I'll look into getting another P4 chip even though
> >this chip seems to work. I'd appreciate any ideas anyone has on this
> >baffling problem. I'm going to keep posting my progress so this
> >doesn't happen to anyone else.

Thanks for your post. I followed your suggestion but unfortunatly it
made no difference. I tried my new memory stick but alas same story.
Did anyone ever hear of a case where a faulty P4 chip killed a
motherboard as I know now the first chip I had was bad and I had it in
both motherboards?

So far I've cancelled the memory, graphics and power as being the
problem. I'm nearly sure that the current P4 chip is good so that
leaves the motherboard. But as I've stated above, I have two identical
motherboards and both halt in the exact same place. Keep those
suggestions rolling in.

tormeyalan@hotmail.com (Sanchobilly) wrote in message news:<c60a5e99.0306240735.1bb9ddc2@posting.google.com>...
> R. Wink <rwwink@evansville.net> wrote in message news:<ub7ffvcii8d0fhq627oqsr46agns3dm1dt@4ax.com>...
> > Just a thought..I put together a system in an old case that had a bad on/off case switch, sometimes
> > it would work and others it wouldn't. Went to the local electronics store and bought a new one.
> > Put it in and found a problem "like" yours. Got so far into POST and died off. Got the beep and
> > all but when it went to read the HDD, it died. Thought I had a bad everything..swapped to other
> > computers and/or replace most everything then thought about it over a cup of coffee and a LARGE
> > Irish Mist.
> > Turned out that I had not removed the jumper internal to the case switch and it was maintaining
> > contact across the "on/off" header on the MoBo. Pulled the jumper and all was/is well. Check the
> > case switch and/or replace.
> > R. Wink
> >
> > On 23 Jun 2003 09:09:05 -0700, tormeyalan@hotmail.com (Sanchobilly) wrote:
> >
> > >tormeyalan@hotmail.com (Sanchobilly) wrote in message news:<c60a5e99.0306170155.31453e8f@posting.google.com>...
> > >> Where to start. OK, I bought a half built PC off the web with the
> > >> intention of scrapping together the remaining parts and finishing it
> > >> off. It came with a VIA p4x266 motherboard but I had to supply the P4
> > >> chip so I bought a 1.4GHz. Nothing worked(couldn't even get a screen)
> > >> so I replaced the motherboard - same story. Next I replaced the chip
> > >> with a P4 1.8GHz and this is where I am now.
> > >> The problem is as folllows:
> > >>
> > >> The machine boots up, I can get into BIOS but on the screen immediatly
> > >> after this the machine freezes: it doesn't reboot, it just locks up. I
> > >> have the bare minimum attached to the motherboard: 32MB graphics card,
> > >> 512MB DDR PC2100 memory and the heatsink for the chip. The two VIA
> > >> motherboards I have freeze at the same place and both give out the one
> > >> short beep at the start, so it's not the motherboard. The P4 chip is
> > >> been recognised as is the memory and it is my understanding that if
> > >> either of them were the problem, I wouldn't even be able to get into
> > >> BIOS. The graphics card I tested in another machine and it works fine.
> > >> I have messed around with nearly every BIOS setting and still the same
> > >> result. The only thing left I can think of is the power supply which
> > >> is 230V but that's standard and it's not like I'm powering anything
> > >> out of the ordinary.
> > >>
> > >> I have tried booting off a floopy,CD and a hard drive all of which I
> > >> know are working but it just seems to lock up before these can get
> > >> powered up and with no error on the screen.
> > >>
> > >> I have already spent enough on this machine but would gladly fork out
> > >> for a new power supply if it worked. I would really, really appreciate
> > >> you guys help on this one as I am completely stumped.
> > >
> > >
> > >I bought a 450W power supply but it's still the same story on startup.
> > >It didn't go any further towards booting so now I'm replacing some of
> > >the components I can't test. I've ordered another stick of RAM so if
> > >that doesn't do it I'll look into getting another P4 chip even though
> > >this chip seems to work. I'd appreciate any ideas anyone has on this
> > >baffling problem. I'm going to keep posting my progress so this
> > >doesn't happen to anyone else.
>
> Thanks for your post. I followed your suggestion but unfortunatly it
> made no difference. I tried my new memory stick but alas same story.
> Did anyone ever hear of a case where a faulty P4 chip killed a
> motherboard as I know now the first chip I had was bad and I had it in
> both motherboards?
>
> So far I've cancelled the memory, graphics and power as being the
> problem. I'm nearly sure that the current P4 chip is good so that
> leaves the motherboard. But as I've stated above, I have two identical
> motherboards and both halt in the exact same place. Keep those
> suggestions rolling in.


Since my last post I've ordered a new Chassis for the PC and yet
another motherboard to make doubley sure. Neither have fixed my
problem which brings me to the only other piece of hardware: the P4
chip. It's being recognised but it's all I can think of. Is it
possible for a P4 chip to act like this, i.e.boot up and be recognised
but then just die before you can boot off any device? Please help...

Sanchobilly wrote:


>
>
> Since my last post I've ordered a new Chassis for the PC and yet
> another motherboard to make doubley sure.

Same Mobo brand/model?
--

Stacey

Stacey <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<bedfpv$3u15q$2@ID-52908.news.dfncis.de>...
> Sanchobilly wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Since my last post I've ordered a new Chassis for the PC and yet
> > another motherboard to make doubley sure.
>
> Same Mobo brand/model?

Stacey,

I know what you're going to say: "Crappy chipset..." but I can't
believe that they would release a Mobo that doesn't work within it's
specifications. So yes it is the exact same make and model and yes the
exact same problem occurs but the mobo gives it's one beep so what's
your thoughts on a faulty P4 chip stopping on startup?

Thanks again.

Sanchobilly wrote:

> Stacey <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<bedfpv$3u15q$2@ID-52908.news.dfncis.de>...
>> Sanchobilly wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Since my last post I've ordered a new Chassis for the PC and yet
>> > another motherboard to make doubley sure.
>>
>> Same Mobo brand/model?
>
> Stacey,
>
> I know what you're going to say: "Crappy chipset..." but I can't
> believe that they would release a Mobo that doesn't work within it's
> specifications.

So you believe a P4 chip is more likely the problem than a KNOWN crappy
chipset on an extra cheap mobo? I bet if you put all your hardware on a
decent mobo you'd be using it instead of fighting it.


> So yes it is the exact same make and model and yes the
> exact same problem occurs but the mobo gives it's one beep so what's
> your thoughts on a faulty P4 chip stopping on startup?
>

Very doubtful that is the problem but stranger things have happened. One of
those other crappy mobo's could have toasted it? Or you could toast another
plugging it into this one..
--

Stacey

I don't see basic numbers posted meaning that you may be
wildly shotgunning rather than first identifying the problem.
For example, how do you know the power supply is sufficient
for the task?

Intermittents always demand that fundamental basics first be
verified. Power supply voltages first must be confirmed as
demonstrated by a chart with wire colors in this URL:
http://www.hardwaresite.net/faqpowersupply.html

CPU created problems are a least likely possibility. Also
multiple motherboard failures due to inferior chips sets is
mostly nonsense. First confirm the obvious that requires but
seconds to verify. An inexpensive and ubiquitous 3.5 digit
multimeter is requruired if doing computer repair.

BTW, your posts are now harder to read because bottom
posting put reams of old, now- unnecessary information up
top. Even Google searches are now made difficult. Ignore the
intolerant. Make new information quickly available to the
reader. Top post. Any refenerces, like any technical paper,
are always attached at the end. We don't need to wade through
reams of old posts to read new important information. Ignore
the intolerant whose mission in life is to save you from
yourself - who demand silly bottom posting. Post what you
feel is best - not what the extremists demand. Make it easy
for the reader to get right into your latest post.

Sanchobilly wrote:
> I know what you're going to say: "Crappy chipset..." but I can't
> believe that they would release a Mobo that doesn't work within it's
> specifications. So yes it is the exact same make and model and yes the
> exact same problem occurs but the mobo gives it's one beep so what's
> your thoughts on a faulty P4 chip stopping on startup?
>
> Thanks again.

>
> BTW, your posts are now harder to read because bottom
> posting put reams of old, now- unnecessary information up
> top.

???? Yea we all normally read from the bottom of the page to the top... You
should trim off the irrelevant parts of a post not just quote everything.

> Even Google searches are now made difficult.

How is that true? Total BS.


> Ignore the
> intolerant. Make new information quickly available to the
> reader. Top post.

Only ignorant people top post..
--

Stacey

Firstly, in an attempt to keep everybody happy, I'm going to delete
the post I'm following up and just have what I write from now on im my
own posts.
Tom, as I mentioned, I have a second chassis with a 400W power supply.
I'm only powering the bare bones, i.e. mobo, P4 chip, heatsink fan,
memory, graphics card and hard drive. It's my understanding, please
correct me if I'm wrong, that this is more than adequate.

At this stage all my hardware seems to be working but the only thing I
can't test is the Socket 423 Pentium 4 chip so I've ordered another
one.

Thanks for you help guys.