VueScan and FUJIcolor film

I have been using Fujicolor SUPERIA ISO 200. It's a great film. I also use
VueScan to scan the negatives.
Version 8.0.14 of VueScan does provide settings for FUJI film within the
color tab but the choices are unclear to me for the "Negative brand".
The choices are: NHG, GPS, Super G, Super HG, and Super HR. I find nothing
that I recognize as SUPERIA 200. Which one should I use?

I also have Monaco EZcolor and an IT8 color slide. I suppose I could make
an icc profile but the only IT8 slide I have been able to find is for Kodak
Ektachrome. I don't think I can use this to calibrate my Nikon LS-2000 film
scanner, when I'm using Fujicolor, can I?!?

This color matching stuff is not for the faint of heart.

Thank you for any direction you can give me.

Dave

"David DeBar" <porkdebarparts@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> I have been using Fujicolor SUPERIA ISO 200. It's a great film. I also
use
> VueScan to scan the negatives.
> Version 8.0.14 of VueScan does provide settings for FUJI film within the
> color tab but the choices are unclear to me for the "Negative brand".
> The choices are: NHG, GPS, Super G, Super HG, and Super HR. I find
nothing
> that I recognize as SUPERIA 200. Which one should I use?
>
> I also have Monaco EZcolor and an IT8 color slide. I suppose I could make
> an icc profile but the only IT8 slide I have been able to find is for
Kodak
> Ektachrome. I don't think I can use this to calibrate my Nikon LS-2000
film
> scanner, when I'm using Fujicolor, can I?!?
No, you should not use a profile for E6 film to interpret scans of C41 film.
Jim

In article <q34_c.16668$iM6.805@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>,
"Jim" <j.n@nospam.com> wrote:

> No, you should not use a profile for E6 film to interpret scans of C41 film.

But note that VueScan can generate both scanner profiles and film
profiles. Obviously, an IT8 target on an E6 slide should not be used to
generate a film profile that will be used to characterize C41 film. But
what if the E6 slide is used to generate a scanner profile (which
characterizes the scanner's response to colors)? Granted, the scanner's
response to E6 and C41 dyes may be different. But might that scanner
profile be better than using no profile at all?

--
Julian Vrieslander

Julian,
Great minds think alike. That was my line of thinking, but I'm not sure of
the answer.

Another thought: What would happen if I used my camera loaded with
Fuijicolor and took a picture of an IT8 target. I have a printed IT8 target
for use on flat bed scanners, and I do have optical equipment that will let
me photograph the slide. Using a flash as the light source might control
color errors. I don't know if this would work. Just a happy thought......

Dave

"Julian Vrieslander" <julianvREMOVE_THIS_PART@mindspring.com> wrote in
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..
> In article <q34_c.16668$iM6.805@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Jim" <j.n@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > No, you should not use a profile for E6 film to interpret scans of C41
film.
>
> But note that VueScan can generate both scanner profiles and film
> profiles. Obviously, an IT8 target on an E6 slide should not be used to
> generate a film profile that will be used to characterize C41 film. But
> what if the E6 slide is used to generate a scanner profile (which
> characterizes the scanner's response to colors)? Granted, the scanner's
> response to E6 and C41 dyes may be different. But might that scanner
> profile be better than using no profile at all?
>
> --
> Julian Vrieslander

"Julian Vrieslander" <julianvREMOVE_THIS_PART@mindspring.com> wrote in
message
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> In article <q34_c.16668$iM6.805@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Jim" <j.n@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > No, you should not use a profile for E6 film to interpret scans of C41
film.
>
> But note that VueScan can generate both scanner profiles and film
> profiles. Obviously, an IT8 target on an E6 slide should not be used to
> generate a film profile that will be used to characterize C41 film. But
> what if the E6 slide is used to generate a scanner profile (which
> characterizes the scanner's response to colors)? Granted, the scanner's
> response to E6 and C41 dyes may be different. But might that scanner
> profile be better than using no profile at all?
No. Vuescan already has C41 profiles. All you need to do is decide which
one to use; I suspect that there really isn't much difference between them.
Jim

If you're going to get into any camerabased profiling – analog or
digital – get a traditional MacBeth patch target which is reacting
very equal in different colorspectras. Also, it's larger than a little
IT8. It can be used in most external profiling softwares too, in this
regard. This simple traditional target has shown more pay off than any
more advanced newer target. That said, don't expect to much success.
The variables involved are endless.

Good luck.

nikita

In article <34l_c.16851$5G4.14982@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>,
"Jim" <j.n@nospam.com> wrote:

> "Julian Vrieslander" <julianvREMOVE_THIS_PART@mindspring.com> wrote in
> message
> news:julianvREMOVE_THIS_PART-57F94E.14423303092004@gnus01.u.washington.edu...
> > In article <q34_c.16668$iM6.805@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>,
> > "Jim" <j.n@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> > > No, you should not use a profile for E6 film to interpret scans of C41
> film.
> >
> > But note that VueScan can generate both scanner profiles and film
> > profiles. Obviously, an IT8 target on an E6 slide should not be used to
> > generate a film profile that will be used to characterize C41 film. But
> > what if the E6 slide is used to generate a scanner profile (which
> > characterizes the scanner's response to colors)? Granted, the scanner's
> > response to E6 and C41 dyes may be different. But might that scanner
> > profile be better than using no profile at all?
> No. Vuescan already has C41 profiles. All you need to do is decide which
> one to use; I suspect that there really isn't much difference between them.
> Jim

Yes, VS has internal C41 profiles - but are those film profiles or
scanner profiles? I suspect they are the former. I was writing about
the latter.

--
Julian Vrieslander

Julian,

You have hit on the crux of the problem that is confusing me. Under the
color tab in VS I choose:
Negative Vendor: FUJI
Negative brand: Super HG
Negative Type: 200

I chose these settings because they seem to most closely describe the
(Fujicolor Superia ISO 200) film that I like to use.

Under the input tab in VS I have specified my Source: LS-2000 (Nikon film
scanner)

I assume that VS is smart enough to put this information together and come
up with a profile for COMBINATION of these parameters.

What still bothers me is that my scanner is several years old. The lamp
must be aging and the colors shifting.
I must admit that the colors look pretty darn good to me, with the above
settings. Most of the time I make some color adjustments from within PS to
make the colors on my screen match what I remember the colors really looked
like to me when I took the picture.

Dave

>
> Yes, VS has internal C41 profiles - but are those film profiles or
> scanner profiles? I suspect they are the former. I was writing about
> the latter.
>
> --
> Julian Vrieslander

"David DeBar" <porkdebarparts@comcast.net> wrote in message
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SNIP
> Under the input tab in VS I have specified my Source: LS-2000
(Nikon film
> scanner)
>
> I assume that VS is smart enough to put this information together
and come
> up with a profile for COMBINATION of these parameters.
>
> What still bothers me is that my scanner is several years old. The
lamp
> must be aging and the colors shifting.

There is no lamp in that model (likewise in the other 'Cool'scans),
they use LEDs to trans-illuminate the film. Their characteristics
don't change much during their lifetime. However, mirrors and optics
can collect dust over the years (build-up depends on the environment
the scanner is used in).

Bart

Im Posting von David DeBar <porkdebarparts@comcast.net> stand:

> I have been using Fujicolor SUPERIA ISO 200. It's a great film. I also use
> VueScan to scan the negatives.
> Version 8.0.14 of VueScan does provide settings for FUJI film within the
> color tab but the choices are unclear to me for the "Negative brand".
> The choices are: NHG, GPS, Super G, Super HG, and Super HR. I find nothing
> that I recognize as SUPERIA 200. Which one should I use?

None. Use Generic Color Negative and Advanced workflow (see manual).
The latter will compensate for the orange mask. If your'e still not
happy with the colors, shoot a grey card together with a piece of white
paper.

Use color balance manual to preview this image and do a right click on
the paper to adjust neutral color. Look at the RGB values for the grey
card. If they are not more or less equal, adjust Brightness Red and
Brightness Blue until the R and B value equals the G value. To equalize
grain for measurement you can use Grain Reduction Heavy temporarily.

Note down the Neutral color and the brightness values for future use.
These values give a better "profile" than a vuescan generated ICC from
an IT8 target.

--
Erik Krause
Digital contrast problems: http://www.erik-krause.de/contrast