ADSL connected, is it open without loging-in?

My ADSL Broadband shows its connected, as soon as I start
the computer, but I need to log-in to get onto the
internet, does this mean that I am vulnerable to others
accessing my computer - even when I am NOT logged-on? I
do have ZoneAlarms free Firewall, McAfee Antivirus,
Spybot, Ad-Aware & pop-up stopper installed. My ISP says
I should only be on for 8 hours a day, not sure if this
is when logged-on or just when ADSL is connected? I just
want to be aware of the possibility that anyone can 'see'
my computer. I have only recently gone onto Broadband.

OLIM wrote:
> My ADSL Broadband shows its connected, as soon as I start
> the computer, but I need to log-in to get onto the
> internet, does this mean that I am vulnerable to others
> accessing my computer - even when I am NOT logged-on? I
> do have ZoneAlarms free Firewall, McAfee Antivirus,
> Spybot, Ad-Aware & pop-up stopper installed.

I imagine you are using a PPPoE client to log into your ADSL? If so, it
likely isn't running when you haven't logged in yet, so you aren't really
"connected" if so.
Your firewall and antivirus should be running resident in the background,
I'd think. Pop-up blockers won't matter when you aren't logged in anyway.

> My ISP says
> I should only be on for 8 hours a day,

That's rather bossy and presumptuous of them!

> not sure if this
> is when logged-on or just when ADSL is connected? I just
> want to be aware of the possibility that anyone can 'see'
> my computer. I have only recently gone onto Broadband.

In addition to your ZoneAlarm, I'd recommend getting a simple hardware
firewall/gateway appliance to put between your DSL modem & your computer. It
will do DHCP and NAT for you...and can log in to the PPPoE account using
your credentials, so your computer doesn't have to manage the work. A
NetGear FR114P (my current fave) is about $80USD, I think.

I use my DSL 24 hours per day, you are NOT limited to just 8 hours per day.

I suggest that you get a Cable/DSL Router such as the Linksys BEFSR41. It will act as a
simplistic FireWall and block activity before it reaches the computer. There are even
models that have full FireWall capabilities built-in. There are many other benefits to such
as a device such as being able to share the DSL WAN connection with upto 253 LAN nodes and
if you are using PPPoE as the DSL connector than the Router, not the PC, will make the DSL
connection and NO ISP provided software is needed.

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"OLIM" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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| My ADSL Broadband shows its connected, as soon as I start
| the computer, but I need to log-in to get onto the
| internet, does this mean that I am vulnerable to others
| accessing my computer - even when I am NOT logged-on? I
| do have ZoneAlarms free Firewall, McAfee Antivirus,
| Spybot, Ad-Aware & pop-up stopper installed. My ISP says
| I should only be on for 8 hours a day, not sure if this
| is when logged-on or just when ADSL is connected? I just
| want to be aware of the possibility that anyone can 'see'
| my computer. I have only recently gone onto Broadband.

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:53:25 -0500, David H. Lipman wrote:

> I suggest that you get a Cable/DSL Router such as the Linksys BEFSR41. It will act as a
> simplistic FireWall and block activity before it reaches the computer. There are even
> models that have full FireWall capabilities built-in.

I also suggest that the OP purchase a DSL/Cable router so that they can
have the first layer of protection, but Linksys does not offer a firewall
device, sure, they call a couple units firewalls, but that's like calling
a Floppy disk a hard drive

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Thanks Dave,
Can I still use a DSL Router, if my ADSL Modem is inside
my computer, (not external, as a lot our)? If so, how do
I connect the router to the computer, or do I connect
from the Telephone line through the Router to the
computer? I do not need any LAN nodes what ever they are?
Also I need my ISP as I pay a monthly amount to receive
emails, as well as accessing the internet. I am limited
as I pay a cheaper amount for this, if I paid more, I
could be on for longer. It is only approximately 8 hrs.
Which is quite long enough for me anyway!

>-----Original Message-----
>I use my DSL 24 hours per day, you are NOT limited to
just 8 hours per day.
>
>I suggest that you get a Cable/DSL Router such as the
>Linksys BEFSR41. It will act as a simplistic FireWall
>and block activity before it reaches the computer.
>There are even models that have full FireWall
>capabilities built-in. There are many other benefits to
>such as a device such as being able to share the DSL
>WAN connection with upto 253 LAN nodes and if you are
>using PPPoE as the DSL connector than the Router, not
>the PC, will make the DSL connection and NO ISP provided
>software is needed.
>Dave
>
>"OLIM" wrote in message
>My ADSL Broadband shows its connected, as soon as I
>start the computer, but I need to log-in to get onto the
> internet, does this mean that I am vulnerable to others
>accessing my computer - even when I am NOT logged-on? I
>do have ZoneAlarms free Firewall, McAfee Antivirus,
>Spybot, Ad-Aware & pop-up stopper installed. My ISP says
>I should only be on for 8 hours a day, not sure if this
>is when logged-on or just when ADSL is connected? I
>just want to be aware of the possibility that anyone
>can 'see' | my computer. I have only recently gone onto
>Broadband.

If you have a DSL Modem built into the computer you were screwed by your ISP. You can't use
an external Router.

Who is your ISP ?

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"OLIM" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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| Thanks Dave,
| Can I still use a DSL Router, if my ADSL Modem is inside
| my computer, (not external, as a lot our)? If so, how do
| I connect the router to the computer, or do I connect
| from the Telephone line through the Router to the
| computer? I do not need any LAN nodes what ever they are?
| Also I need my ISP as I pay a monthly amount to receive
| emails, as well as accessing the internet. I am limited
| as I pay a cheaper amount for this, if I paid more, I
| could be on for longer. It is only approximately 8 hrs.
| Which is quite long enough for me anyway!
|
| >-----Original Message-----
| >I use my DSL 24 hours per day, you are NOT limited to
| just 8 hours per day.
| >
| >I suggest that you get a Cable/DSL Router such as the
| >Linksys BEFSR41. It will act as a simplistic FireWall
| >and block activity before it reaches the computer.
| >There are even models that have full FireWall
| >capabilities built-in. There are many other benefits to
| >such as a device such as being able to share the DSL
| >WAN connection with upto 253 LAN nodes and if you are
| >using PPPoE as the DSL connector than the Router, not
| >the PC, will make the DSL connection and NO ISP provided
| >software is needed.
| >Dave
| >
| >"OLIM" wrote in message
| >My ADSL Broadband shows its connected, as soon as I
| >start the computer, but I need to log-in to get onto the
| > internet, does this mean that I am vulnerable to others
| >accessing my computer - even when I am NOT logged-on? I
| >do have ZoneAlarms free Firewall, McAfee Antivirus,
| >Spybot, Ad-Aware & pop-up stopper installed. My ISP says
| >I should only be on for 8 hours a day, not sure if this
| >is when logged-on or just when ADSL is connected? I
| >just want to be aware of the possibility that anyone
| >can 'see' | my computer. I have only recently gone onto
| >Broadband.

I think I may be using a PPPoE client to log into my
ADSL? If it is the same as PPPoA?
Approx. 8 hrs a day, (with 2 GB month) is because I am
paying a lower monthly figure, if I paid more I'd me able
to be online longer, but this is quite enough for me,
anyway. What is a simple hardware firewall/gateway
appliance to put between my DSL modem & my computer. My
DSL is inside my computer, so how would I connect to it?
Why do I need DHCP and NAT? What do these do for me? I
only have one computer, no others.

>-----Original Message-----
>OLIM wrote:
>>My ADSL Broadband shows its connected, as soon as I
>>start the computer, but I need to log-in to get onto the
>>internet, does this mean that I am vulnerable to others
>>accessing my computer - even when I am NOT logged-on?
>>I do have ZoneAlarms free Firewall, McAfee Antivirus,
>>Spybot, Ad-Aware & pop-up stopper installed.
>
>I imagine you are using a PPPoE client to log into your
>ADSL? If so, it likely isn't running when you haven't
>logged in yet, so you aren't really "connected" if so.
>Your firewall and antivirus should be running resident
>in the background, I'd think. Pop-up blockers won't
>matter when you aren't logged in anyway.
>
>> My ISP says
>> I should only be on for 8 hours a day,
>
>That's rather bossy and presumptuous of them!
>
>>not sure if this is when logged-on or just when ADSL
>>is connected? I just want to be aware of the
>>possibility that anyone can 'see' my computer. I have
>>only recently gone onto Broadband.
>
>In addition to your ZoneAlarm, I'd recommend getting a
simple hardware firewall/gateway appliance to put between
your DSL modem & your computer. It will do DHCP and NAT
for you...and can log in to the PPPoE account using
>your credentials, so your computer doesn't have to
manage the work. A NetGear FR114P (my current fave) is
about $80USD, I think.

Leythos wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:53:25 -0500, David H. Lipman wrote:
>
>> I suggest that you get a Cable/DSL Router such as the Linksys
>> BEFSR41. It will act as a simplistic FireWall and block activity
>> before it reaches the computer. There are even models that have
>> full FireWall capabilities built-in.
>
> I also suggest that the OP purchase a DSL/Cable router so that they
> can have the first layer of protection, but Linksys does not offer a
> firewall device, sure, they call a couple units firewalls, but that's
> like calling a Floppy disk a hard drive

I'm not a huge fan of Linksys stuff, but they, and Netgear, and Dlink, do
offer cheap & cheerful SPI firewall appliances. Not bad bang for the buck.

OLIM wrote:
> I think I may be using a PPPoE client to log into my
> ADSL? If it is the same as PPPoA?

Yep.

> Approx. 8 hrs a day, (with 2 GB month) is because I am
> paying a lower monthly figure, if I paid more I'd me able
> to be online longer, but this is quite enough for me,
> anyway.

What do they consider as "online" ? If you're connected but not doing
anything, does it count?

What is a simple hardware firewall/gateway
> appliance to put between my DSL modem & my computer. My
> DSL is inside my computer, so how would I connect to it?

It is??

> Why do I need DHCP and NAT? What do these do for me? I
> only have one computer, no others.

If you have a separate appliance, you have an additonal layer of security.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> OLIM wrote:
>>> My ADSL Broadband shows its connected, as soon as I
>>> start the computer, but I need to log-in to get onto the
>>> internet, does this mean that I am vulnerable to others
>>> accessing my computer - even when I am NOT logged-on?
>>> I do have ZoneAlarms free Firewall, McAfee Antivirus,
>>> Spybot, Ad-Aware & pop-up stopper installed.
>>
>> I imagine you are using a PPPoE client to log into your
>> ADSL? If so, it likely isn't running when you haven't
>> logged in yet, so you aren't really "connected" if so.
>> Your firewall and antivirus should be running resident
>> in the background, I'd think. Pop-up blockers won't
>> matter when you aren't logged in anyway.
>>
>>> My ISP says
>>> I should only be on for 8 hours a day,
>>
>> That's rather bossy and presumptuous of them!
>>
>>> not sure if this is when logged-on or just when ADSL
>>> is connected? I just want to be aware of the
>>> possibility that anyone can 'see' my computer. I have
>>> only recently gone onto Broadband.
>>
>> In addition to your ZoneAlarm, I'd recommend getting a
> simple hardware firewall/gateway appliance to put between
> your DSL modem & your computer. It will do DHCP and NAT
> for you...and can log in to the PPPoE account using
>> your credentials, so your computer doesn't have to
> manage the work. A NetGear FR114P (my current fave) is
> about $80USD, I think.

On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 19:46:14 -0500, Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] wrote:

> Leythos wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 Feb 2005 13:53:25 -0500, David H. Lipman wrote:
>>
>>> I suggest that you get a Cable/DSL Router such as the Linksys
>>> BEFSR41. It will act as a simplistic FireWall and block activity
>>> before it reaches the computer. There are even models that have
>>> full FireWall capabilities built-in.
>>
>> I also suggest that the OP purchase a DSL/Cable router so that they
>> can have the first layer of protection, but Linksys does not offer a
>> firewall device, sure, they call a couple units firewalls, but that's
>> like calling a Floppy disk a hard drive
>
> I'm not a huge fan of Linksys stuff, but they, and Netgear, and Dlink, do
> offer cheap & cheerful SPI firewall appliances. Not bad bang for the buck.

And if you look at most of their stuff (Netgear, D-Link), unless you
spend more than $200 it's just NAT with SPI.


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