are we supposed to be posting to announcements?

Hello Microsoft team,
Are we supposed to be posting to the announcements newsgroup?

I thought this would be reserved for announcements From the Anti spyware
team?

Frankly, no.

Almost none of the posts here belong here.

There are technology limitations that allow this, unfortunately, but it'd be
nice if we all exercised some self control and moved our threads to the
appropriate groups.

"Beastman" <msmiles@REMOVE_CAPS_AND_INVALIDgmail.com.invalid> wrote in
message news:eFKroCN9EHA.1960@CPMSFTNGSA04.privatenews.microsoft.com...
> Hello Microsoft team,
> Are we supposed to be posting to the announcements newsgroup?
>
> I thought this would be reserved for announcements From the Anti spyware
> team?
>

I do not think so.

--
Thank you,
Eric Vogel
"Beastman" <msmiles@REMOVE_CAPS_AND_INVALIDgmail.com.invalid> wrote in
message news:eFKroCN9EHA.1960@CPMSFTNGSA04.privatenews.microsoft.com...
> Hello Microsoft team,
> Are we supposed to be posting to the announcements newsgroup?
>
> I thought this would be reserved for announcements From the Anti spyware
> team?
>

Bill Sanderson wrote:
>
> There are technology limitations that allow this, unfortunately, but
....


Bill, if MS cannot prevent the intrusion of such a simple thing as a
plain-text newsgroup post into a specific area of their server, it doesn't
say a lot about an ability to protect a more serious intrusion elsewhere.
To have this newsgroup wide open for this particular test is irony verging
on the tragic.

Isn't it actually a lack of technical knowledge causing this newsgroup to be
wide open to all? MS has deftly handled the Read-Only attribute for other
newsgroups; apparently they don't want to make the effort to learn how that
is done on this one.

I'd certainly hope that MS finds this situation embarrassing. I certainly
do when clients and co-workers ask me about it.


sorry....stumbling off the soapbox now....mumble, mumble.........


....Sky

It's really not that big a deal. The worst that can happen is that some
people won't get their queries answered promptly. Other than that is it
presents a problem with announcements that can be easily remedied - no need
for embarassment from anyone.


--
- Jon G
xpguru@gmail.com

"Sky King" <tomskyking@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eNJxn0O9EHA.2392@CPMSFTNGSA04.privatenews.microsoft.com...
> Bill Sanderson wrote:
>>
>> There are technology limitations that allow this, unfortunately, but
> ...
>
>
> Bill, if MS cannot prevent the intrusion of such a simple thing as a
> plain-text newsgroup post into a specific area of their server, it doesn't
> say a lot about an ability to protect a more serious intrusion elsewhere.
> To have this newsgroup wide open for this particular test is irony verging
> on the tragic.
>
> Isn't it actually a lack of technical knowledge causing this newsgroup to
> be wide open to all? MS has deftly handled the Read-Only attribute for
> other newsgroups; apparently they don't want to make the effort to learn
> how that is done on this one.
>
> I'd certainly hope that MS finds this situation embarrassing. I certainly
> do when clients and co-workers ask me about it.
>
>
> sorry....stumbling off the soapbox now....mumble, mumble.........
>
>
> ...Sky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

"Jon G" <xpguru@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:u%23krrgP9EHA.2316@CPMSFTNGSA04.privatenews.microsoft.com...
> It's really not that big a deal. The worst that can happen is that some
> people won't get their queries answered promptly. Other than that is it
> presents a problem with announcements that can be easily remedied - no
> need for embarassment from anyone.

It's truly bizarre though. MS knows about this group; MS is IN this group;
the betanews server does read-only all the time; this server is run the same
way. Why is it even in question?

Milhouse Van Houten wrote:
>
> It's truly bizarre though. MS knows about this group; MS is IN this
> group; the betanews server does read-only all the time; this server
> is run the same way. Why is it even in question?

Perzackly!

--

....Sky

Tom "Sky" King
=============

"Sky King" <tomskyking@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eNJxn0O9EHA.2392@CPMSFTNGSA04.privatenews.microsoft.com...
> Bill, if MS cannot prevent the intrusion of such a simple thing as a
> plain-text newsgroup post into a specific area of their server, it doesn't
> say a lot about an ability to protect a more serious intrusion elsewhere.
> To have this newsgroup wide open for this particular test is irony verging
> on the tragic.
>
> Isn't it actually a lack of technical knowledge causing this newsgroup to
> be wide open to all? MS has deftly handled the Read-Only attribute for
> other newsgroups; apparently they don't want to make the effort to learn
> how that is done on this one.
>
> I'd certainly hope that MS finds this situation embarrassing. I certainly
> do when clients and co-workers ask me about it.

I'd like to step in to comment on this particular question, since, as the
newsgroups administrator, it's my balliwick.

I can deftly handly the read-only attribute for newsgroups quite well, thank
you. However, the older web based interface does *not* handle the read-only
attribute. It does not directly understand what 'read-only' is. As the web
based interface is used for these private newsgroups, setting a read-only
attribute on this newsgroup so that NNTP clients can not post to it is kind
of silly, since anyone coming in via the web would be freely available to
post. In fact, that was what happened with the SP2 newsgroups.

I'm trying to find a solution that would allow for a read only newsgroup on
the older web interface, but I'm not confident there is one.

To stave off the two FAQs I can see:

1) Well, why don't you fix the old one?

Because a newer solution is being worked on.

2) Well, why don't you use the newer solution?

Because it's not finished.

John Eddy
Microsoft Newsgroups Administrator

"John Eddy [MSFT]" <johneddy@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:eh0QiCX9EHA.2508@cpmsftngsa05.privatenews.microsoft.com...
> "Sky King" <tomskyking@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:eNJxn0O9EHA.2392@CPMSFTNGSA04.privatenews.microsoft.com...
>> Bill, if MS cannot prevent the intrusion of such a simple thing as a
>> plain-text newsgroup post into a specific area of their server, it
>> doesn't say a lot about an ability to protect a more serious intrusion
>> elsewhere. To have this newsgroup wide open for this particular test is
>> irony verging on the tragic.
>
> I'd like to step in to comment on this particular question, since, as the
> newsgroups administrator, it's my balliwick.

And one added comment, if you still feel the need to blame anyone, you can
squarely lay the blame on me, not the spyware folks. They have nothing to
do with the way the news server is run, or how these groups are implemented
apart from asking for the particular groups, and I have nothing to do with
the functionality of their product apart from being another user who submits
bug reports.

John Eddy
Microsoft Newsgroups Administrator

If it were reserved the Microsoft team would have
restricted access to write new posts.

>-----Original Message-----
>Hello Microsoft team,
>Are we supposed to be posting to the announcements
newsgroup?
>
>I thought this would be reserved for announcements From
the Anti spyware
>team?
>
>
>.
>