MSAS opinion

beta 1 is really weak they need to work on it, lots of
bug and should be improve by beta 2. Real-time protection
should be the focus for this application as its harder to
remove spyware once inside your computer.

We computer user shouldn't have to go to safe mode in
order to remove spyware it's too complicated for others
to understand. Why not create a antispyware that can
effectively remove spyware without requiring user to go
at safe mode in order to remove some of the spyware. umm
i think user is looking for a easy program to use not
complicated one.

I would expect beta 2 to have some new feature/option
that will totally make Microsoft Antsipyware user really
excited and different from any other standalone
antispyware product that make MSAS unique.

Perhaps you are not aware of the reasons why many advise booting into safe mode?
I, for one, did not understand initially but after reading the reasoning, it
makes sense. What I would suggest to MS is to incorporate a feature where a
full scan in safe mode is implemented instead of requiring users' intereactive
actions. If IE's index.dat can only be deleted before booting into Windows, I
don't see why MS cannot run MSAS in safe mode?

There is no perfect application that can monitor and prevent spyware in a
computer system and the onus lies with the user rather than anyone, which is why
many applications update definition dat very often to catch up with the latest
spyers (???)

The only fault that I can find with MSAS, is why did they release the beta to
the general public before intensive testing at their test labs or call up the
beta testers to test it and release RC1 to the general public. I suspect the
reason is MS is looking and gauging at the feedback on MSAS. One of the reasons
maybe due to the agreements between MS and the other vendors. MS may or does
not want to face a suit for implementing cookies management is also a prime
suspect.

Look at CA or eTrust. They offer via in partnership with MS, a FREE one year
subscription to their anti virus, and CA provides the tech support, not MS. Does
that tell you anything?

In conclusion, I doubt very much that MSAS can replace all the other
applications that I run to protect my system.


anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com wrote in
news:1c0c01c5489f$cd7c4300$a601280a@phx.gbl
> beta 1 is really weak they need to work on it, lots of
> bug and should be improve by beta 2. Real-time protection
> should be the focus for this application as its harder to
> remove spyware once inside your computer.
>
> We computer user shouldn't have to go to safe mode in
> order to remove spyware it's too complicated for others
> to understand. Why not create a antispyware that can
> effectively remove spyware without requiring user to go
> at safe mode in order to remove some of the spyware. umm
> i think user is looking for a easy program to use not
> complicated one.
>
> I would expect beta 2 to have some new feature/option
> that will totally make Microsoft Antsipyware user really
> excited and different from any other standalone
> antispyware product that make MSAS unique.
>
>
>

Have you had spyware get past the real-time protection? Many users already
have spyware on their system prior to installing the beta, and there are
protections in place before the user installs anti-spyware. Booting into
safe mode removes many of these protections which spyware writers put in
place. If you did not have spyware in place, and know of a piece of spyware
which circumvented the real-time protection, please post and let us know.

I do agree that we need to do our best to make a product which does not need
a user to boot into safemode in all cases, but knowing many things about the
present and future of spyware, I don't see a solution where we can guarantee
no booting to safemode ever.
--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
MCSE, CISSP
PSS Security

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<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1c0c01c5489f$cd7c4300$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> beta 1 is really weak they need to work on it, lots of
> bug and should be improve by beta 2. Real-time protection
> should be the focus for this application as its harder to
> remove spyware once inside your computer.
>
> We computer user shouldn't have to go to safe mode in
> order to remove spyware it's too complicated for others
> to understand. Why not create a antispyware that can
> effectively remove spyware without requiring user to go
> at safe mode in order to remove some of the spyware. umm
> i think user is looking for a easy program to use not
> complicated one.
>
> I would expect beta 2 to have some new feature/option
> that will totally make Microsoft Antsipyware user really
> excited and different from any other standalone
> antispyware product that make MSAS unique.
>
>
>

System level priviledges that Spyware take advantage of in Normal Mode to
wreak havoc are not available in Safe Mode, thats some of us here recommend
Safe Mode. Although I do agree with you, prevention is better than cure. We
should be surprised by beta 2.
--

Andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1c0c01c5489f$cd7c4300$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> beta 1 is really weak they need to work on it, lots of
> bug and should be improve by beta 2. Real-time protection
> should be the focus for this application as its harder to
> remove spyware once inside your computer.
>
> We computer user shouldn't have to go to safe mode in
> order to remove spyware it's too complicated for others
> to understand. Why not create a antispyware that can
> effectively remove spyware without requiring user to go
> at safe mode in order to remove some of the spyware. umm
> i think user is looking for a easy program to use not
> complicated one.
>
> I would expect beta 2 to have some new feature/option
> that will totally make Microsoft Antsipyware user really
> excited and different from any other standalone
> antispyware product that make MSAS unique.
>
>
>

yea we also need a antispyware that work under limited
account. Is it possible?

>-----Original Message-----
>Have you had spyware get past the real-time protection?
Many users already
>have spyware on their system prior to installing the
beta, and there are
>protections in place before the user installs anti-
spyware. Booting into
>safe mode removes many of these protections which
spyware writers put in
>place. If you did not have spyware in place, and know of
a piece of spyware
>which circumvented the real-time protection, please post
and let us know.
>
>I do agree that we need to do our best to make a product
which does not need
>a user to boot into safemode in all cases, but knowing
many things about the
>present and future of spyware, I don't see a solution
where we can guarantee
>no booting to safemode ever.
>--
>-steve
>
>Steve Dodson [MSFT]
>MCSE, CISSP
>PSS Security
>
>--
>
>This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no rights.
>Use of included script samples are subject to the terms
specified at
>http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.htm
>
>Note: For the benefit of the community-at-large, all
responses to this
>message are best directed to the newsgroup/thread from
which they
>originated.
><anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:1c0c01c5489f$cd7c4300$a601280a@phx.gbl...
>> beta 1 is really weak they need to work on it, lots of
>> bug and should be improve by beta 2. Real-time
protection
>> should be the focus for this application as its harder
to
>> remove spyware once inside your computer.
>>
>> We computer user shouldn't have to go to safe mode in
>> order to remove spyware it's too complicated for others
>> to understand. Why not create a antispyware that can
>> effectively remove spyware without requiring user to go
>> at safe mode in order to remove some of the spyware.
umm
>> i think user is looking for a easy program to use not
>> complicated one.
>>
>> I would expect beta 2 to have some new feature/option
>> that will totally make Microsoft Antsipyware user
really
>> excited and different from any other standalone
>> antispyware product that make MSAS unique.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>

hoping that there will be a interface change.


>-----Original Message-----
>System level priviledges that Spyware take advantage of
in Normal Mode to
>wreak havoc are not available in Safe Mode, thats some
of us here recommend
>Safe Mode. Although I do agree with you, prevention is
better than cure. We
>should be surprised by beta 2.
>--
>
>Andre
>http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>FAQ for MS AntiSpy
http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>
><anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:1c0c01c5489f$cd7c4300$a601280a@phx.gbl...
>> beta 1 is really weak they need to work on it, lots of
>> bug and should be improve by beta 2. Real-time
protection
>> should be the focus for this application as its harder
to
>> remove spyware once inside your computer.
>>
>> We computer user shouldn't have to go to safe mode in
>> order to remove spyware it's too complicated for others
>> to understand. Why not create a antispyware that can
>> effectively remove spyware without requiring user to go
>> at safe mode in order to remove some of the spyware.
umm
>> i think user is looking for a easy program to use not
>> complicated one.
>>
>> I would expect beta 2 to have some new feature/option
>> that will totally make Microsoft Antsipyware user
really
>> excited and different from any other standalone
>> antispyware product that make MSAS unique.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>.
>

Its presently using GIANTs interface I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft
decides to "personalize" in beta 2.
--

Andre
http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
FAQ for MS AntiSpy http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm

<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:175501c5490a$3a05b3c0$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> hoping that there will be a interface change.
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>System level priviledges that Spyware take advantage of
> in Normal Mode to
>>wreak havoc are not available in Safe Mode, thats some
> of us here recommend
>>Safe Mode. Although I do agree with you, prevention is
> better than cure. We
>>should be surprised by beta 2.
>>--
>>
>>Andre
>>http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>FAQ for MS AntiSpy
> http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>
>><anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>news:1c0c01c5489f$cd7c4300$a601280a@phx.gbl...
>>> beta 1 is really weak they need to work on it, lots of
>>> bug and should be improve by beta 2. Real-time
> protection
>>> should be the focus for this application as its harder
> to
>>> remove spyware once inside your computer.
>>>
>>> We computer user shouldn't have to go to safe mode in
>>> order to remove spyware it's too complicated for others
>>> to understand. Why not create a antispyware that can
>>> effectively remove spyware without requiring user to go
>>> at safe mode in order to remove some of the spyware.
> umm
>>> i think user is looking for a easy program to use not
>>> complicated one.
>>>
>>> I would expect beta 2 to have some new feature/option
>>> that will totally make Microsoft Antsipyware user
> really
>>> excited and different from any other standalone
>>> antispyware product that make MSAS unique.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>.
>>

<anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1d0a01c5490a$170b3c00$a601280a@phx.gbl
> yea we also need a antispyware that work under limited
> account. Is it possible?

http://aumha.org/a/parasite.htm
http://aumha.org/a/quickfix.htm
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=5878
http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/unwanted.htm
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/data/prevention.htm
http://inetexplorer.mvps.org/data/tshoot.htm
http://www.mvps.org/sramesh2k/Malware_Defence.htm
http://defendingyourmachine.blogspot.com

--

Frank Saunders, MS-MVP
http://www.fjsmjs.com

It would be nice if they just totally change the whole
look and make it even better.

>-----Original Message-----
>Its presently using GIANTs interface I wouldn't be
surprised if Microsoft
>decides to "personalize" in beta 2.
>--
>
>Andre
>http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>FAQ for MS AntiSpy
http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>
><anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>news:175501c5490a$3a05b3c0$a401280a@phx.gbl...
>> hoping that there will be a interface change.
>>
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>System level priviledges that Spyware take advantage of
>> in Normal Mode to
>>>wreak havoc are not available in Safe Mode, thats some
>> of us here recommend
>>>Safe Mode. Although I do agree with you, prevention is
>> better than cure. We
>>>should be surprised by beta 2.
>>>--
>>>
>>>Andre
>>>http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
>>>FAQ for MS AntiSpy
>> http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/FAQ_MSantispy.htm
>>>
>>><anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1c0c01c5489f$cd7c4300$a601280a@phx.gbl...
>>>> beta 1 is really weak they need to work on it, lots
of
>>>> bug and should be improve by beta 2. Real-time
>> protection
>>>> should be the focus for this application as its
harder
>> to
>>>> remove spyware once inside your computer.
>>>>
>>>> We computer user shouldn't have to go to safe mode in
>>>> order to remove spyware it's too complicated for
others
>>>> to understand. Why not create a antispyware that can
>>>> effectively remove spyware without requiring user to
go
>>>> at safe mode in order to remove some of the spyware.
>> umm
>>>> i think user is looking for a easy program to use not
>>>> complicated one.
>>>>
>>>> I would expect beta 2 to have some new feature/option
>>>> that will totally make Microsoft Antsipyware user
>> really
>>>> excited and different from any other standalone
>>>> antispyware product that make MSAS unique.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>.
>>>
>
>
>.
>