physical memory problem

I have been monitoring through Task Manager the Physical
Memory in my computer (a Dell Ispiron laptop) since I
started having some slowdown in performance after
downloading a number of recent Critical Updates from the
Update Site. I don't know that the Updates have anything
to do with the slowdown and the lessening of available
Physical Memory on starting up my computer, or in
restarting it, is the problem here, or even if the Memory
is the issue at all. But I thought I'd better ask.

About two weeks ago I began to notice problems after
turning on my computer when clicking the icons on my
desktop and bringing the programs up. I never had this
problem before. The desktop just sat there, nothing
happened. I'd have to restart my computer a number of
times before I could get anything to come up when I
doubleclicked an icon. After posting here and other
newsgroups and not getting anywhere, and the problem
continuing, I went to Task Manager and began watching what
was going on with my Physical Memory.

Before downloading and installing the critical updates,
when I would start up my computer, Norton System Doctor,
which I had loading at startup, would always indicate that
I had about 28 or 29 MB of Physical Memory. Now, after the
installation of the critical updates, the physical memory
at start up is as low as 3MB, and usually hovers between
that number and 8MB.

Task manager indicates there are 29 processes running at
start up. I know I can probably shut some of these down
and want a tech to shut down the ones I don't absolutely
need. I may, by the information in this post, seem to know
something about computers and the way they work, but I
don't. So don't let the overabundance of information here
or my using the lingo fool you. I am definitely not
computer savvy. I just struggled to learn from reading the
newsgroups after having this start up problem after
installing the critical updates.

Now I have shut down at start up Norton System Doctor as
well as the Automatic Update feature, which I never used
anyway. The small amount of physical memory at start up
still continues. It was great that I figured out how to
shut those two things down, and it was better in principal
that they're off at start up, but it still doesn't help my
Physical Memory problem at start up.

The odd thing is that when, after starting the computer, I
run Norton One Button Check on the system to see if
everything's in shape, the task manager shows the Physical
Memory increases..to about 9mb. This seems
counterintuitive to me. After running Norton Windoctor the
Physical Memory jumps to 11 or 12 MB. When I finish my
Norton checkups, the memory will go as high as 24 mb, then
fall off as I start up AOL, which I always minimize, and
surf the web using Internet Explorer.

After surfing the net a while my Physical Memory will run
as high as 30 MB; and if I leave my computer on for a few
days, as I just did to test this issue, the Physical
Memory will go as high as 67 MB. When I shut the computer
off, and start it up again, or if I restart the computer,
the memory issue that I've described above repeats itself.

I know I should have 256MB of physical memory in this
computer instead of the current 128, and I plan to fix
that soon. But since I wasn't having a problem at start up
with the current 128, I was wondering if these critical
updates, which I'll list below, might have anything to do
with this physical memory problem at start up. I'll list
the critical updates that preceeded this problem below, as
well as all the system information that I believe might be
needed to suggest an answer or a guess.

A few more points that may or may not be important: With
the exception of starting up some programs at which point
my CPU usage spikes to 80 percent, it otherwise hovers
consistently at around 3 or 4 percent. And I am very good
at deleting my cookies, offline files, and cache build up.
I do this from Norton, and during the course of a day will
do it often from IE Internet Options. I always clear the
history as well, and keep my clock set accurately. I've
learned these things are good things to do from posts
here. I would appreciate any sense of what may be going on
here, if anything, if these updates aren't the issue.
Since nothing else changed BUT these updates before I
began having this problem, it's only natural and logical
that I ask about them being the culprit.

The six critical updates downloaded and installed on
August 15th, before this problem began are:
818529 (for IE SP1)
819696
823559
823980
817606
822679

Within a few days of installing those six critical updates
the start up memory weirdness began. But just to be
complete about this download information, on June 1 I
downloaded and installed critcal update 815021, and in May
installed 814033 and 810833.

Could any of these installs have to do with my memory
problem? If not, any ideas what the sudden change in
physical memory at start up might be caused by? And any
thoughts on the increasing size of physical memory, as I
wrote above, when I leave my computer on for a day or two?

I haven't installed any updates since August 15 because
I'm worried that the performance may be hampered even
more, if it is an update problem.

Any help, suggestions, etc. will be greatly appreciated.
And please, if you do respond, remember that I'm not a
tech, so the simpler said the better for me. Thank you so
much.

Here is my system information, running on a dell ispiron
laptop--

OS:WINDOWS 2000 PROFESSIONAL, 5.00.2195, SERVICE PACK 3

IE 6 SP1 (with critical download Q818529 attached to it)

And information from right clicking on My Computer and
going to the System Tab and other Tabs there:

FROM SYSTEM TAB:
PROCESSOR: GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 8748
Math support: PresentBios: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1
Bus Type: PCI, ISA, USB
Memory: 127 MB (66% Utilized)
Floppy Disks: 1.44 MB
Hard Disks: 18.63 GB
Multimedia: Sound, CD-ROM
Video: 1028 x 768 in 64K Colors, NVIDIA G
Operating System
Windows: 5.0 (Build 2195)
Net Clients: Microsoft Windows Network

FROM MEMORY TAB
Under WINDOWS MEMORY USAGE on left side of card
Total Physical Memory: 128 MB
Total Windows Memory: 541 MB
Free: 431 MB
Used: 110 MB
Selection: 0

FROM DRIVE TAB
Disk Usage
Free: 14.35 GB
Used: 4.27 GB
Selection: 0 bytes
0 bytes Allocated, 0% Slack

Hope to hear some responses, ideas. Thank you again.

You have 256MB RAM installed and Windows 2000 is only seeing 128MB RAM?

--
George Hester
__________________________________
"jlk" <joandurden@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:46ad01c37614$e28227b0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> I have been monitoring through Task Manager the Physical
> Memory in my computer (a Dell Ispiron laptop) since I
> started having some slowdown in performance after
> downloading a number of recent Critical Updates from the
> Update Site. I don't know that the Updates have anything
> to do with the slowdown and the lessening of available
> Physical Memory on starting up my computer, or in
> restarting it, is the problem here, or even if the Memory
> is the issue at all. But I thought I'd better ask.
>
> About two weeks ago I began to notice problems after
> turning on my computer when clicking the icons on my
> desktop and bringing the programs up. I never had this
> problem before. The desktop just sat there, nothing
> happened. I'd have to restart my computer a number of
> times before I could get anything to come up when I
> doubleclicked an icon. After posting here and other
> newsgroups and not getting anywhere, and the problem
> continuing, I went to Task Manager and began watching what
> was going on with my Physical Memory.
>
> Before downloading and installing the critical updates,
> when I would start up my computer, Norton System Doctor,
> which I had loading at startup, would always indicate that
> I had about 28 or 29 MB of Physical Memory. Now, after the
> installation of the critical updates, the physical memory
> at start up is as low as 3MB, and usually hovers between
> that number and 8MB.
>
> Task manager indicates there are 29 processes running at
> start up. I know I can probably shut some of these down
> and want a tech to shut down the ones I don't absolutely
> need. I may, by the information in this post, seem to know
> something about computers and the way they work, but I
> don't. So don't let the overabundance of information here
> or my using the lingo fool you. I am definitely not
> computer savvy. I just struggled to learn from reading the
> newsgroups after having this start up problem after
> installing the critical updates.
>
> Now I have shut down at start up Norton System Doctor as
> well as the Automatic Update feature, which I never used
> anyway. The small amount of physical memory at start up
> still continues. It was great that I figured out how to
> shut those two things down, and it was better in principal
> that they're off at start up, but it still doesn't help my
> Physical Memory problem at start up.
>
> The odd thing is that when, after starting the computer, I
> run Norton One Button Check on the system to see if
> everything's in shape, the task manager shows the Physical
> Memory increases..to about 9mb. This seems
> counterintuitive to me. After running Norton Windoctor the
> Physical Memory jumps to 11 or 12 MB. When I finish my
> Norton checkups, the memory will go as high as 24 mb, then
> fall off as I start up AOL, which I always minimize, and
> surf the web using Internet Explorer.
>
> After surfing the net a while my Physical Memory will run
> as high as 30 MB; and if I leave my computer on for a few
> days, as I just did to test this issue, the Physical
> Memory will go as high as 67 MB. When I shut the computer
> off, and start it up again, or if I restart the computer,
> the memory issue that I've described above repeats itself.
>
> I know I should have 256MB of physical memory in this
> computer instead of the current 128, and I plan to fix
> that soon. But since I wasn't having a problem at start up
> with the current 128, I was wondering if these critical
> updates, which I'll list below, might have anything to do
> with this physical memory problem at start up. I'll list
> the critical updates that preceeded this problem below, as
> well as all the system information that I believe might be
> needed to suggest an answer or a guess.
>
> A few more points that may or may not be important: With
> the exception of starting up some programs at which point
> my CPU usage spikes to 80 percent, it otherwise hovers
> consistently at around 3 or 4 percent. And I am very good
> at deleting my cookies, offline files, and cache build up.
> I do this from Norton, and during the course of a day will
> do it often from IE Internet Options. I always clear the
> history as well, and keep my clock set accurately. I've
> learned these things are good things to do from posts
> here. I would appreciate any sense of what may be going on
> here, if anything, if these updates aren't the issue.
> Since nothing else changed BUT these updates before I
> began having this problem, it's only natural and logical
> that I ask about them being the culprit.
>
> The six critical updates downloaded and installed on
> August 15th, before this problem began are:
> 818529 (for IE SP1)
> 819696
> 823559
> 823980
> 817606
> 822679
>
> Within a few days of installing those six critical updates
> the start up memory weirdness began. But just to be
> complete about this download information, on June 1 I
> downloaded and installed critcal update 815021, and in May
> installed 814033 and 810833.
>
> Could any of these installs have to do with my memory
> problem? If not, any ideas what the sudden change in
> physical memory at start up might be caused by? And any
> thoughts on the increasing size of physical memory, as I
> wrote above, when I leave my computer on for a day or two?
>
> I haven't installed any updates since August 15 because
> I'm worried that the performance may be hampered even
> more, if it is an update problem.
>
> Any help, suggestions, etc. will be greatly appreciated.
> And please, if you do respond, remember that I'm not a
> tech, so the simpler said the better for me. Thank you so
> much.
>
> Here is my system information, running on a dell ispiron
> laptop--
>
> OS:WINDOWS 2000 PROFESSIONAL, 5.00.2195, SERVICE PACK 3
>
> IE 6 SP1 (with critical download Q818529 attached to it)
>
> And information from right clicking on My Computer and
> going to the System Tab and other Tabs there:
>
> FROM SYSTEM TAB:
> PROCESSOR: GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 8748
> Math support: PresentBios: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1
> Bus Type: PCI, ISA, USB
> Memory: 127 MB (66% Utilized)
> Floppy Disks: 1.44 MB
> Hard Disks: 18.63 GB
> Multimedia: Sound, CD-ROM
> Video: 1028 x 768 in 64K Colors, NVIDIA G
> Operating System
> Windows: 5.0 (Build 2195)
> Net Clients: Microsoft Windows Network
>
> FROM MEMORY TAB
> Under WINDOWS MEMORY USAGE on left side of card
> Total Physical Memory: 128 MB
> Total Windows Memory: 541 MB
> Free: 431 MB
> Used: 110 MB
> Selection: 0
>
> FROM DRIVE TAB
> Disk Usage
> Free: 14.35 GB
> Used: 4.27 GB
> Selection: 0 bytes
> 0 bytes Allocated, 0% Slack
>
> Hope to hear some responses, ideas. Thank you again.
>

No, George, I do NOT have 256mb RAM installed, i have
128MB installed. Sorry if i wasn't clear about that. Now
that I've cleared that up, anyone have any ideas what is
going on here, or if the start up physical memory problem
has to do with recent downloads I listed in my post. Thank
you.
>-----Original Message-----
>You have 256MB RAM installed and Windows 2000 is only
seeing 128MB RAM?
>
>--
>George Hester
>__________________________________
>"jlk" <joandurden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:46ad01c37614$e28227b0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
>> I have been monitoring through Task Manager the
Physical
>> Memory in my computer (a Dell Ispiron laptop) since I
>> started having some slowdown in performance after
>> downloading a number of recent Critical Updates from
the
>> Update Site. I don't know that the Updates have
anything
>> to do with the slowdown and the lessening of available
>> Physical Memory on starting up my computer, or in
>> restarting it, is the problem here, or even if the
Memory
>> is the issue at all. But I thought I'd better ask.
>>
>> About two weeks ago I began to notice problems after
>> turning on my computer when clicking the icons on my
>> desktop and bringing the programs up. I never had this
>> problem before. The desktop just sat there, nothing
>> happened. I'd have to restart my computer a number of
>> times before I could get anything to come up when I
>> doubleclicked an icon. After posting here and other
>> newsgroups and not getting anywhere, and the problem
>> continuing, I went to Task Manager and began watching
what
>> was going on with my Physical Memory.
>>
>> Before downloading and installing the critical updates,
>> when I would start up my computer, Norton System
Doctor,
>> which I had loading at startup, would always indicate
that
>> I had about 28 or 29 MB of Physical Memory. Now, after
the
>> installation of the critical updates, the physical
memory
>> at start up is as low as 3MB, and usually hovers
between
>> that number and 8MB.
>>
>> Task manager indicates there are 29 processes running
at
>> start up. I know I can probably shut some of these down
>> and want a tech to shut down the ones I don't
absolutely
>> need. I may, by the information in this post, seem to
know
>> something about computers and the way they work, but I
>> don't. So don't let the overabundance of information
here
>> or my using the lingo fool you. I am definitely not
>> computer savvy. I just struggled to learn from reading
the
>> newsgroups after having this start up problem after
>> installing the critical updates.
>>
>> Now I have shut down at start up Norton System Doctor
as
>> well as the Automatic Update feature, which I never
used
>> anyway. The small amount of physical memory at start up
>> still continues. It was great that I figured out how to
>> shut those two things down, and it was better in
principal
>> that they're off at start up, but it still doesn't help
my
>> Physical Memory problem at start up.
>>
>> The odd thing is that when, after starting the
computer, I
>> run Norton One Button Check on the system to see if
>> everything's in shape, the task manager shows the
Physical
>> Memory increases..to about 9mb. This seems
>> counterintuitive to me. After running Norton Windoctor
the
>> Physical Memory jumps to 11 or 12 MB. When I finish my
>> Norton checkups, the memory will go as high as 24 mb,
then
>> fall off as I start up AOL, which I always minimize,
and
>> surf the web using Internet Explorer.
>>
>> After surfing the net a while my Physical Memory will
run
>> as high as 30 MB; and if I leave my computer on for a
few
>> days, as I just did to test this issue, the Physical
>> Memory will go as high as 67 MB. When I shut the
computer
>> off, and start it up again, or if I restart the
computer,
>> the memory issue that I've described above repeats
itself.
>>
>> I know I should have 256MB of physical memory in this
>> computer instead of the current 128, and I plan to fix
>> that soon. But since I wasn't having a problem at start
up
>> with the current 128, I was wondering if these critical
>> updates, which I'll list below, might have anything to
do
>> with this physical memory problem at start up. I'll
list
>> the critical updates that preceeded this problem below,
as
>> well as all the system information that I believe might
be
>> needed to suggest an answer or a guess.
>>
>> A few more points that may or may not be important:
With
>> the exception of starting up some programs at which
point
>> my CPU usage spikes to 80 percent, it otherwise hovers
>> consistently at around 3 or 4 percent. And I am very
good
>> at deleting my cookies, offline files, and cache build
up.
>> I do this from Norton, and during the course of a day
will
>> do it often from IE Internet Options. I always clear
the
>> history as well, and keep my clock set accurately. I've
>> learned these things are good things to do from posts
>> here. I would appreciate any sense of what may be going
on
>> here, if anything, if these updates aren't the issue.
>> Since nothing else changed BUT these updates before I
>> began having this problem, it's only natural and
logical
>> that I ask about them being the culprit.
>>
>> The six critical updates downloaded and installed on
>> August 15th, before this problem began are:
>> 818529 (for IE SP1)
>> 819696
>> 823559
>> 823980
>> 817606
>> 822679
>>
>> Within a few days of installing those six critical
updates
>> the start up memory weirdness began. But just to be
>> complete about this download information, on June 1 I
>> downloaded and installed critcal update 815021, and in
May
>> installed 814033 and 810833.
>>
>> Could any of these installs have to do with my memory
>> problem? If not, any ideas what the sudden change in
>> physical memory at start up might be caused by? And any
>> thoughts on the increasing size of physical memory, as
I
>> wrote above, when I leave my computer on for a day or
two?
>>
>> I haven't installed any updates since August 15 because
>> I'm worried that the performance may be hampered even
>> more, if it is an update problem.
>>
>> Any help, suggestions, etc. will be greatly
appreciated.
>> And please, if you do respond, remember that I'm not a
>> tech, so the simpler said the better for me. Thank you
so
>> much.
>>
>> Here is my system information, running on a dell
ispiron
>> laptop--
>>
>> OS:WINDOWS 2000 PROFESSIONAL, 5.00.2195, SERVICE PACK 3
>>
>> IE 6 SP1 (with critical download Q818529 attached to
it)
>>
>> And information from right clicking on My Computer and
>> going to the System Tab and other Tabs there:
>>
>> FROM SYSTEM TAB:
>> PROCESSOR: GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 8748
>> Math support: PresentBios: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS
Version 1
>> Bus Type: PCI, ISA, USB
>> Memory: 127 MB (66% Utilized)
>> Floppy Disks: 1.44 MB
>> Hard Disks: 18.63 GB
>> Multimedia: Sound, CD-ROM
>> Video: 1028 x 768 in 64K Colors, NVIDIA G
>> Operating System
>> Windows: 5.0 (Build 2195)
>> Net Clients: Microsoft Windows Network
>>
>> FROM MEMORY TAB
>> Under WINDOWS MEMORY USAGE on left side of card
>> Total Physical Memory: 128 MB
>> Total Windows Memory: 541 MB
>> Free: 431 MB
>> Used: 110 MB
>> Selection: 0
>>
>> FROM DRIVE TAB
>> Disk Usage
>> Free: 14.35 GB
>> Used: 4.27 GB
>> Selection: 0 bytes
>> 0 bytes Allocated, 0% Slack
>>
>> Hope to hear some responses, ideas. Thank you again.
>>
>.
>

Shots in the dark:
Where and how big is your pagefile?
BIOS shows all installed RAM every time?
Is there an app using extremely large file(s)?
Any quirks at all in Device Mgr/Event Viewer etc?
Are you fully firewalled/viruschecked?

jlk wrote:

> No, George, I do NOT have 256mb RAM installed, i have
> 128MB installed. Sorry if i wasn't clear about that. Now
> that I've cleared that up, anyone have any ideas what is
> going on here, or if the start up physical memory problem
> has to do with recent downloads I listed in my post. Thank
> you.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>You have 256MB RAM installed and Windows 2000 is only
>
> seeing 128MB RAM?
>
>>--
>>George Hester
>>__________________________________
>>"jlk" <joandurden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:46ad01c37614$e28227b0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
>
>>>I have been monitoring through Task Manager the
>
> Physical
>
>>>Memory in my computer (a Dell Ispiron laptop) since I
>>>started having some slowdown in performance after
>>>downloading a number of recent Critical Updates from
>
> the
>
>>>Update Site. I don't know that the Updates have
>
> anything
>
>>>to do with the slowdown and the lessening of available
>>>Physical Memory on starting up my computer, or in
>>>restarting it, is the problem here, or even if the
>
> Memory
>
>>>is the issue at all. But I thought I'd better ask.
>>>
>>>About two weeks ago I began to notice problems after
>>>turning on my computer when clicking the icons on my
>>>desktop and bringing the programs up. I never had this
>>>problem before. The desktop just sat there, nothing
>>>happened. I'd have to restart my computer a number of
>>>times before I could get anything to come up when I
>>>doubleclicked an icon. After posting here and other
>>>newsgroups and not getting anywhere, and the problem
>>>continuing, I went to Task Manager and began watching
>
> what
>
>>>was going on with my Physical Memory.
>>>
>>>Before downloading and installing the critical updates,
>>>when I would start up my computer, Norton System
>
> Doctor,
>
>>>which I had loading at startup, would always indicate
>
> that
>
>>>I had about 28 or 29 MB of Physical Memory. Now, after
>
> the
>
>>>installation of the critical updates, the physical
>
> memory
>
>>>at start up is as low as 3MB, and usually hovers
>
> between
>
>>>that number and 8MB.
>>>
>>>Task manager indicates there are 29 processes running
>
> at
>
>>>start up. I know I can probably shut some of these down
>>>and want a tech to shut down the ones I don't
>
> absolutely
>
>>>need. I may, by the information in this post, seem to
>
> know
>
>>>something about computers and the way they work, but I
>>>don't. So don't let the overabundance of information
>
> here
>
>>>or my using the lingo fool you. I am definitely not
>>>computer savvy. I just struggled to learn from reading
>
> the
>
>>>newsgroups after having this start up problem after
>>>installing the critical updates.
>>>
>>>Now I have shut down at start up Norton System Doctor
>
> as
>
>>>well as the Automatic Update feature, which I never
>
> used
>
>>>anyway. The small amount of physical memory at start up
>>>still continues. It was great that I figured out how to
>>>shut those two things down, and it was better in
>
> principal
>
>>>that they're off at start up, but it still doesn't help
>
> my
>
>>>Physical Memory problem at start up.
>>>
>>>The odd thing is that when, after starting the
>
> computer, I
>
>>>run Norton One Button Check on the system to see if
>>>everything's in shape, the task manager shows the
>
> Physical
>
>>>Memory increases..to about 9mb. This seems
>>>counterintuitive to me. After running Norton Windoctor
>
> the
>
>>>Physical Memory jumps to 11 or 12 MB. When I finish my
>>>Norton checkups, the memory will go as high as 24 mb,
>
> then
>
>>>fall off as I start up AOL, which I always minimize,
>
> and
>
>>>surf the web using Internet Explorer.
>>>
>>>After surfing the net a while my Physical Memory will
>
> run
>
>>>as high as 30 MB; and if I leave my computer on for a
>
> few
>
>>>days, as I just did to test this issue, the Physical
>>>Memory will go as high as 67 MB. When I shut the
>
> computer
>
>>>off, and start it up again, or if I restart the
>
> computer,
>
>>>the memory issue that I've described above repeats
>
> itself.
>
>>>I know I should have 256MB of physical memory in this
>>>computer instead of the current 128, and I plan to fix
>>>that soon. But since I wasn't having a problem at start
>
> up
>
>>>with the current 128, I was wondering if these critical
>>>updates, which I'll list below, might have anything to
>
> do
>
>>>with this physical memory problem at start up. I'll
>
> list
>
>>>the critical updates that preceeded this problem below,
>
> as
>
>>>well as all the system information that I believe might
>
> be
>
>>>needed to suggest an answer or a guess.
>>>
>>>A few more points that may or may not be important:
>
> With
>
>>>the exception of starting up some programs at which
>
> point
>
>>>my CPU usage spikes to 80 percent, it otherwise hovers
>>>consistently at around 3 or 4 percent. And I am very
>
> good
>
>>>at deleting my cookies, offline files, and cache build
>
> up.
>
>>>I do this from Norton, and during the course of a day
>
> will
>
>>>do it often from IE Internet Options. I always clear
>
> the
>
>>>history as well, and keep my clock set accurately. I've
>>>learned these things are good things to do from posts
>>>here. I would appreciate any sense of what may be going
>
> on
>
>>>here, if anything, if these updates aren't the issue.
>>>Since nothing else changed BUT these updates before I
>>>began having this problem, it's only natural and
>
> logical
>
>>>that I ask about them being the culprit.
>>>
>>>The six critical updates downloaded and installed on
>>>August 15th, before this problem began are:
>>>818529 (for IE SP1)
>>>819696
>>>823559
>>>823980
>>>817606
>>>822679
>>>
>>>Within a few days of installing those six critical
>
> updates
>
>>>the start up memory weirdness began. But just to be
>>>complete about this download information, on June 1 I
>>>downloaded and installed critcal update 815021, and in
>
> May
>
>>>installed 814033 and 810833.
>>>
>>>Could any of these installs have to do with my memory
>>>problem? If not, any ideas what the sudden change in
>>>physical memory at start up might be caused by? And any
>>>thoughts on the increasing size of physical memory, as
>
> I
>
>>>wrote above, when I leave my computer on for a day or
>
> two?
>
>>>I haven't installed any updates since August 15 because
>>>I'm worried that the performance may be hampered even
>>>more, if it is an update problem.
>>>
>>>Any help, suggestions, etc. will be greatly
>
> appreciated.
>
>>>And please, if you do respond, remember that I'm not a
>>>tech, so the simpler said the better for me. Thank you
>
> so
>
>>>much.
>>>
>>>Here is my system information, running on a dell
>
> ispiron
>
>>>laptop--
>>>
>>>OS:WINDOWS 2000 PROFESSIONAL, 5.00.2195, SERVICE PACK 3
>>>
>>>IE 6 SP1 (with critical download Q818529 attached to
>
> it)
>
>>>And information from right clicking on My Computer and
>>>going to the System Tab and other Tabs there:
>>>
>>>FROM SYSTEM TAB:
>>>PROCESSOR: GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 8748
>>>Math support: PresentBios: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS
>
> Version 1
>
>>>Bus Type: PCI, ISA, USB
>>>Memory: 127 MB (66% Utilized)
>>>Floppy Disks: 1.44 MB
>>>Hard Disks: 18.63 GB
>>>Multimedia: Sound, CD-ROM
>>>Video: 1028 x 768 in 64K Colors, NVIDIA G
>>>Operating System
>>>Windows: 5.0 (Build 2195)
>>>Net Clients: Microsoft Windows Network
>>>
>>>FROM MEMORY TAB
>>>Under WINDOWS MEMORY USAGE on left side of card
>>>Total Physical Memory: 128 MB
>>>Total Windows Memory: 541 MB
>>>Free: 431 MB
>>>Used: 110 MB
>>>Selection: 0
>>>
>>>FROM DRIVE TAB
>>>Disk Usage
>>>Free: 14.35 GB
>>>Used: 4.27 GB
>>>Selection: 0 bytes
>>>0 bytes Allocated, 0% Slack
>>>
>>>Hope to hear some responses, ideas. Thank you again.
>>>
>>
>>.
>>

I'm not sure how to answer SOME of your questions, and i
know i don't understand enough to answer others...but
here's what i do know and don't...and thank you for
answering, i was giving up anyone would...

in answer to your questions, i have NO idea WHERE my
pagefile is. As to how BIG it is, all i can tell you and
this may not help or be what you are looking for, is that
Norton system doctor says my page file usage is 116 MB and
there's some sort of norton trigger for an alarm if it
should reach 185. also, it says that my 'committed memory'
is 111mb, if that helps at all...
I don't know where to check for what you refer to as BIOS
to see if as you asked, if it shows all installed ram
every time.
the only APPLICATION using extremely large file size is
INTERNET EXPLORER, when i have it up that is...i just
looked at that now at it is at 8900k, using more than any
of the others listed there....yesterday, i was on another
web page, and i happened to look and IE was at 24,000k,
which was very big, but doesn't this have SOMETHING to do
with the website your looking on? anyway, your other
questions....
I don't know how to look in the Device Mgr/Event Viewer,
and at this point at least i wouldn't know what would be
a "quirk" to use your word if I did know how to look in
them.
Your final question, i AM for SURE fully firewalled and
viruschecked. I run zonealarm and i'm EXTEMELY careful
about it, and that it loads from start up is an indication
of how much I want that firewall protection. And i run a
FULL SYSTEM virus check EVERY DAY with NORTON and download
automatically virus definitions EVERY DAY, if there are
any new that day....
I hope some of this information helps...i'd really like to
know what you and others think whats going on here. THANK
YOU AGAIN for at least responding.....
>-----Original Message-----
>Shots in the dark:
>Where and how big is your pagefile?
>BIOS shows all installed RAM every time?
>Is there an app using extremely large file(s)?
>Any quirks at all in Device Mgr/Event Viewer etc?
>Are you fully firewalled/viruschecked?
>
>jlk wrote:
>
>> No, George, I do NOT have 256mb RAM installed, i have
>> 128MB installed. Sorry if i wasn't clear about that.
Now
>> that I've cleared that up, anyone have any ideas what
is
>> going on here, or if the start up physical memory
problem
>> has to do with recent downloads I listed in my post.
Thank
>> you.
>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>You have 256MB RAM installed and Windows 2000 is only
>>
>> seeing 128MB RAM?
>>
>>>--
>>>George Hester
>>>__________________________________
>>>"jlk" <joandurden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:46ad01c37614$e28227b0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
>>
>>>>I have been monitoring through Task Manager the
>>
>> Physical
>>
>>>>Memory in my computer (a Dell Ispiron laptop) since I
>>>>started having some slowdown in performance after
>>>>downloading a number of recent Critical Updates from
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>Update Site. I don't know that the Updates have
>>
>> anything
>>
>>>>to do with the slowdown and the lessening of available
>>>>Physical Memory on starting up my computer, or in
>>>>restarting it, is the problem here, or even if the
>>
>> Memory
>>
>>>>is the issue at all. But I thought I'd better ask.
>>>>
>>>>About two weeks ago I began to notice problems after
>>>>turning on my computer when clicking the icons on my
>>>>desktop and bringing the programs up. I never had this
>>>>problem before. The desktop just sat there, nothing
>>>>happened. I'd have to restart my computer a number of
>>>>times before I could get anything to come up when I
>>>>doubleclicked an icon. After posting here and other
>>>>newsgroups and not getting anywhere, and the problem
>>>>continuing, I went to Task Manager and began watching
>>
>> what
>>
>>>>was going on with my Physical Memory.
>>>>
>>>>Before downloading and installing the critical
updates,
>>>>when I would start up my computer, Norton System
>>
>> Doctor,
>>
>>>>which I had loading at startup, would always indicate
>>
>> that
>>
>>>>I had about 28 or 29 MB of Physical Memory. Now, after
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>installation of the critical updates, the physical
>>
>> memory
>>
>>>>at start up is as low as 3MB, and usually hovers
>>
>> between
>>
>>>>that number and 8MB.
>>>>
>>>>Task manager indicates there are 29 processes running
>>
>> at
>>
>>>>start up. I know I can probably shut some of these
down
>>>>and want a tech to shut down the ones I don't
>>
>> absolutely
>>
>>>>need. I may, by the information in this post, seem to
>>
>> know
>>
>>>>something about computers and the way they work, but I
>>>>don't. So don't let the overabundance of information
>>
>> here
>>
>>>>or my using the lingo fool you. I am definitely not
>>>>computer savvy. I just struggled to learn from reading
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>newsgroups after having this start up problem after
>>>>installing the critical updates.
>>>>
>>>>Now I have shut down at start up Norton System Doctor
>>
>> as
>>
>>>>well as the Automatic Update feature, which I never
>>
>> used
>>
>>>>anyway. The small amount of physical memory at start
up
>>>>still continues. It was great that I figured out how
to
>>>>shut those two things down, and it was better in
>>
>> principal
>>
>>>>that they're off at start up, but it still doesn't
help
>>
>> my
>>
>>>>Physical Memory problem at start up.
>>>>
>>>>The odd thing is that when, after starting the
>>
>> computer, I
>>
>>>>run Norton One Button Check on the system to see if
>>>>everything's in shape, the task manager shows the
>>
>> Physical
>>
>>>>Memory increases..to about 9mb. This seems
>>>>counterintuitive to me. After running Norton Windoctor
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>Physical Memory jumps to 11 or 12 MB. When I finish my
>>>>Norton checkups, the memory will go as high as 24 mb,
>>
>> then
>>
>>>>fall off as I start up AOL, which I always minimize,
>>
>> and
>>
>>>>surf the web using Internet Explorer.
>>>>
>>>>After surfing the net a while my Physical Memory will
>>
>> run
>>
>>>>as high as 30 MB; and if I leave my computer on for a
>>
>> few
>>
>>>>days, as I just did to test this issue, the Physical
>>>>Memory will go as high as 67 MB. When I shut the
>>
>> computer
>>
>>>>off, and start it up again, or if I restart the
>>
>> computer,
>>
>>>>the memory issue that I've described above repeats
>>
>> itself.
>>
>>>>I know I should have 256MB of physical memory in this
>>>>computer instead of the current 128, and I plan to fix
>>>>that soon. But since I wasn't having a problem at
start
>>
>> up
>>
>>>>with the current 128, I was wondering if these
critical
>>>>updates, which I'll list below, might have anything to
>>
>> do
>>
>>>>with this physical memory problem at start up. I'll
>>
>> list
>>
>>>>the critical updates that preceeded this problem
below,
>>
>> as
>>
>>>>well as all the system information that I believe
might
>>
>> be
>>
>>>>needed to suggest an answer or a guess.
>>>>
>>>>A few more points that may or may not be important:
>>
>> With
>>
>>>>the exception of starting up some programs at which
>>
>> point
>>
>>>>my CPU usage spikes to 80 percent, it otherwise hovers
>>>>consistently at around 3 or 4 percent. And I am very
>>
>> good
>>
>>>>at deleting my cookies, offline files, and cache build
>>
>> up.
>>
>>>>I do this from Norton, and during the course of a day
>>
>> will
>>
>>>>do it often from IE Internet Options. I always clear
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>history as well, and keep my clock set accurately.
I've
>>>>learned these things are good things to do from posts
>>>>here. I would appreciate any sense of what may be
going
>>
>> on
>>
>>>>here, if anything, if these updates aren't the issue.
>>>>Since nothing else changed BUT these updates before I
>>>>began having this problem, it's only natural and
>>
>> logical
>>
>>>>that I ask about them being the culprit.
>>>>
>>>>The six critical updates downloaded and installed on
>>>>August 15th, before this problem began are:
>>>>818529 (for IE SP1)
>>>>819696
>>>>823559
>>>>823980
>>>>817606
>>>>822679
>>>>
>>>>Within a few days of installing those six critical
>>
>> updates
>>
>>>>the start up memory weirdness began. But just to be
>>>>complete about this download information, on June 1 I
>>>>downloaded and installed critcal update 815021, and in
>>
>> May
>>
>>>>installed 814033 and 810833.
>>>>
>>>>Could any of these installs have to do with my memory
>>>>problem? If not, any ideas what the sudden change in
>>>>physical memory at start up might be caused by? And
any
>>>>thoughts on the increasing size of physical memory, as
>>
>> I
>>
>>>>wrote above, when I leave my computer on for a day or
>>
>> two?
>>
>>>>I haven't installed any updates since August 15
because
>>>>I'm worried that the performance may be hampered even
>>>>more, if it is an update problem.
>>>>
>>>>Any help, suggestions, etc. will be greatly
>>
>> appreciated.
>>
>>>>And please, if you do respond, remember that I'm not a
>>>>tech, so the simpler said the better for me. Thank you
>>
>> so
>>
>>>>much.
>>>>
>>>>Here is my system information, running on a dell
>>
>> ispiron
>>
>>>>laptop--
>>>>
>>>>OS:WINDOWS 2000 PROFESSIONAL, 5.00.2195, SERVICE PACK
3
>>>>
>>>>IE 6 SP1 (with critical download Q818529 attached to
>>
>> it)
>>
>>>>And information from right clicking on My Computer and
>>>>going to the System Tab and other Tabs there:
>>>>
>>>>FROM SYSTEM TAB:
>>>>PROCESSOR: GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 8748
>>>>Math support: PresentBios: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS
>>
>> Version 1
>>
>>>>Bus Type: PCI, ISA, USB
>>>>Memory: 127 MB (66% Utilized)
>>>>Floppy Disks: 1.44 MB
>>>>Hard Disks: 18.63 GB
>>>>Multimedia: Sound, CD-ROM
>>>>Video: 1028 x 768 in 64K Colors, NVIDIA G
>>>>Operating System
>>>>Windows: 5.0 (Build 2195)
>>>>Net Clients: Microsoft Windows Network
>>>>
>>>>FROM MEMORY TAB
>>>>Under WINDOWS MEMORY USAGE on left side of card
>>>>Total Physical Memory: 128 MB
>>>>Total Windows Memory: 541 MB
>>>>Free: 431 MB
>>>>Used: 110 MB
>>>>Selection: 0
>>>>
>>>>FROM DRIVE TAB
>>>>Disk Usage
>>>>Free: 14.35 GB
>>>>Used: 4.27 GB
>>>>Selection: 0 bytes
>>>>0 bytes Allocated, 0% Slack
>>>>
>>>>Hope to hear some responses, ideas. Thank you again.
>>>>
>>>
>>>.
>>>
>
>.
>

You need to have Show all files enabled in Windows Explorer | Tools | Folder Options... | View You will see the options in there that allow you to see all files. pagefile.sys is usually on the root drive C:\ in most cases.

The way to check this in the BIOS is when your computer starts you ought to see some keystroke that allows you to access the BIOS. Scout around in there. If that is unsuccessful then you can reset your CMOS and you will see a POST when you reboot that shows how much memory you have in the system.

Finally you can defrag your memory by making the following vbs file:

'memory.vbs
MyString = Space(128000000)

Then you execute this by typing:

cscript memory.vbs using the command prompt Start | Run | cmd | OK and in the folder where you put memory.vbs

--
George Hester
__________________________________
"jlk" <joandurden@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:0a4001c377ad$ae2677b0$a601280a@phx.gbl...
> I'm not sure how to answer SOME of your questions, and i
> know i don't understand enough to answer others...but
> here's what i do know and don't...and thank you for
> answering, i was giving up anyone would...
>
> in answer to your questions, i have NO idea WHERE my
> pagefile is. As to how BIG it is, all i can tell you and
> this may not help or be what you are looking for, is that
> Norton system doctor says my page file usage is 116 MB and
> there's some sort of norton trigger for an alarm if it
> should reach 185. also, it says that my 'committed memory'
> is 111mb, if that helps at all...
> I don't know where to check for what you refer to as BIOS
> to see if as you asked, if it shows all installed ram
> every time.
> the only APPLICATION using extremely large file size is
> INTERNET EXPLORER, when i have it up that is...i just
> looked at that now at it is at 8900k, using more than any
> of the others listed there....yesterday, i was on another
> web page, and i happened to look and IE was at 24,000k,
> which was very big, but doesn't this have SOMETHING to do
> with the website your looking on? anyway, your other
> questions....
> I don't know how to look in the Device Mgr/Event Viewer,
> and at this point at least i wouldn't know what would be
> a "quirk" to use your word if I did know how to look in
> them.
> Your final question, i AM for SURE fully firewalled and
> viruschecked. I run zonealarm and i'm EXTEMELY careful
> about it, and that it loads from start up is an indication
> of how much I want that firewall protection. And i run a
> FULL SYSTEM virus check EVERY DAY with NORTON and download
> automatically virus definitions EVERY DAY, if there are
> any new that day....
> I hope some of this information helps...i'd really like to
> know what you and others think whats going on here. THANK
> YOU AGAIN for at least responding.....
> >-----Original Message-----
> >Shots in the dark:
> >Where and how big is your pagefile?
> >BIOS shows all installed RAM every time?
> >Is there an app using extremely large file(s)?
> >Any quirks at all in Device Mgr/Event Viewer etc?
> >Are you fully firewalled/viruschecked?
> >
> >jlk wrote:
> >
> >> No, George, I do NOT have 256mb RAM installed, i have
> >> 128MB installed. Sorry if i wasn't clear about that.
> Now
> >> that I've cleared that up, anyone have any ideas what
> is
> >> going on here, or if the start up physical memory
> problem
> >> has to do with recent downloads I listed in my post.
> Thank
> >> you.
> >>
> >>>-----Original Message-----
> >>>You have 256MB RAM installed and Windows 2000 is only
> >>
> >> seeing 128MB RAM?
> >>
> >>>--
> >>>George Hester
> >>>__________________________________
> >>>"jlk" <joandurden@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:46ad01c37614$e28227b0$a501280a@phx.gbl...
> >>
> >>>>I have been monitoring through Task Manager the
> >>
> >> Physical
> >>
> >>>>Memory in my computer (a Dell Ispiron laptop) since I
> >>>>started having some slowdown in performance after
> >>>>downloading a number of recent Critical Updates from
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>Update Site. I don't know that the Updates have
> >>
> >> anything
> >>
> >>>>to do with the slowdown and the lessening of available
> >>>>Physical Memory on starting up my computer, or in
> >>>>restarting it, is the problem here, or even if the
> >>
> >> Memory
> >>
> >>>>is the issue at all. But I thought I'd better ask.
> >>>>
> >>>>About two weeks ago I began to notice problems after
> >>>>turning on my computer when clicking the icons on my
> >>>>desktop and bringing the programs up. I never had this
> >>>>problem before. The desktop just sat there, nothing
> >>>>happened. I'd have to restart my computer a number of
> >>>>times before I could get anything to come up when I
> >>>>doubleclicked an icon. After posting here and other
> >>>>newsgroups and not getting anywhere, and the problem
> >>>>continuing, I went to Task Manager and began watching
> >>
> >> what
> >>
> >>>>was going on with my Physical Memory.
> >>>>
> >>>>Before downloading and installing the critical
> updates,
> >>>>when I would start up my computer, Norton System
> >>
> >> Doctor,
> >>
> >>>>which I had loading at startup, would always indicate
> >>
> >> that
> >>
> >>>>I had about 28 or 29 MB of Physical Memory. Now, after
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>installation of the critical updates, the physical
> >>
> >> memory
> >>
> >>>>at start up is as low as 3MB, and usually hovers
> >>
> >> between
> >>
> >>>>that number and 8MB.
> >>>>
> >>>>Task manager indicates there are 29 processes running
> >>
> >> at
> >>
> >>>>start up. I know I can probably shut some of these
> down
> >>>>and want a tech to shut down the ones I don't
> >>
> >> absolutely
> >>
> >>>>need. I may, by the information in this post, seem to
> >>
> >> know
> >>
> >>>>something about computers and the way they work, but I
> >>>>don't. So don't let the overabundance of information
> >>
> >> here
> >>
> >>>>or my using the lingo fool you. I am definitely not
> >>>>computer savvy. I just struggled to learn from reading
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>newsgroups after having this start up problem after
> >>>>installing the critical updates.
> >>>>
> >>>>Now I have shut down at start up Norton System Doctor
> >>
> >> as
> >>
> >>>>well as the Automatic Update feature, which I never
> >>
> >> used
> >>
> >>>>anyway. The small amount of physical memory at start
> up
> >>>>still continues. It was great that I figured out how
> to
> >>>>shut those two things down, and it was better in
> >>
> >> principal
> >>
> >>>>that they're off at start up, but it still doesn't
> help
> >>
> >> my
> >>
> >>>>Physical Memory problem at start up.
> >>>>
> >>>>The odd thing is that when, after starting the
> >>
> >> computer, I
> >>
> >>>>run Norton One Button Check on the system to see if
> >>>>everything's in shape, the task manager shows the
> >>
> >> Physical
> >>
> >>>>Memory increases..to about 9mb. This seems
> >>>>counterintuitive to me. After running Norton Windoctor
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>Physical Memory jumps to 11 or 12 MB. When I finish my
> >>>>Norton checkups, the memory will go as high as 24 mb,
> >>
> >> then
> >>
> >>>>fall off as I start up AOL, which I always minimize,
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >>>>surf the web using Internet Explorer.
> >>>>
> >>>>After surfing the net a while my Physical Memory will
> >>
> >> run
> >>
> >>>>as high as 30 MB; and if I leave my computer on for a
> >>
> >> few
> >>
> >>>>days, as I just did to test this issue, the Physical
> >>>>Memory will go as high as 67 MB. When I shut the
> >>
> >> computer
> >>
> >>>>off, and start it up again, or if I restart the
> >>
> >> computer,
> >>
> >>>>the memory issue that I've described above repeats
> >>
> >> itself.
> >>
> >>>>I know I should have 256MB of physical memory in this
> >>>>computer instead of the current 128, and I plan to fix
> >>>>that soon. But since I wasn't having a problem at
> start
> >>
> >> up
> >>
> >>>>with the current 128, I was wondering if these
> critical
> >>>>updates, which I'll list below, might have anything to
> >>
> >> do
> >>
> >>>>with this physical memory problem at start up. I'll
> >>
> >> list
> >>
> >>>>the critical updates that preceeded this problem
> below,
> >>
> >> as
> >>
> >>>>well as all the system information that I believe
> might
> >>
> >> be
> >>
> >>>>needed to suggest an answer or a guess.
> >>>>
> >>>>A few more points that may or may not be important:
> >>
> >> With
> >>
> >>>>the exception of starting up some programs at which
> >>
> >> point
> >>
> >>>>my CPU usage spikes to 80 percent, it otherwise hovers
> >>>>consistently at around 3 or 4 percent. And I am very
> >>
> >> good
> >>
> >>>>at deleting my cookies, offline files, and cache build
> >>
> >> up.
> >>
> >>>>I do this from Norton, and during the course of a day
> >>
> >> will
> >>
> >>>>do it often from IE Internet Options. I always clear
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >>>>history as well, and keep my clock set accurately.
> I've
> >>>>learned these things are good things to do from posts
> >>>>here. I would appreciate any sense of what may be
> going
> >>
> >> on
> >>
> >>>>here, if anything, if these updates aren't the issue.
> >>>>Since nothing else changed BUT these updates before I
> >>>>began having this problem, it's only natural and
> >>
> >> logical
> >>
> >>>>that I ask about them being the culprit.
> >>>>
> >>>>The six critical updates downloaded and installed on
> >>>>August 15th, before this problem began are:
> >>>>818529 (for IE SP1)
> >>>>819696
> >>>>823559
> >>>>823980
> >>>>817606
> >>>>822679
> >>>>
> >>>>Within a few days of installing those six critical
> >>
> >> updates
> >>
> >>>>the start up memory weirdness began. But just to be
> >>>>complete about this download information, on June 1 I
> >>>>downloaded and installed critcal update 815021, and in
> >>
> >> May
> >>
> >>>>installed 814033 and 810833.
> >>>>
> >>>>Could any of these installs have to do with my memory
> >>>>problem? If not, any ideas what the sudden change in
> >>>>physical memory at start up might be caused by? And
> any
> >>>>thoughts on the increasing size of physical memory, as
> >>
> >> I
> >>
> >>>>wrote above, when I leave my computer on for a day or
> >>
> >> two?
> >>
> >>>>I haven't installed any updates since August 15
> because
> >>>>I'm worried that the performance may be hampered even
> >>>>more, if it is an update problem.
> >>>>
> >>>>Any help, suggestions, etc. will be greatly
> >>
> >> appreciated.
> >>
> >>>>And please, if you do respond, remember that I'm not a
> >>>>tech, so the simpler said the better for me. Thank you
> >>
> >> so
> >>
> >>>>much.
> >>>>
> >>>>Here is my system information, running on a dell
> >>
> >> ispiron
> >>
> >>>>laptop--
> >>>>
> >>>>OS:WINDOWS 2000 PROFESSIONAL, 5.00.2195, SERVICE PACK
> 3
> >>>>
> >>>>IE 6 SP1 (with critical download Q818529 attached to
> >>
> >> it)
> >>
> >>>>And information from right clicking on My Computer and
> >>>>going to the System Tab and other Tabs there:
> >>>>
> >>>>FROM SYSTEM TAB:
> >>>>PROCESSOR: GenuineIntel Family 6 Model 8748
> >>>>Math support: PresentBios: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS
> >>
> >> Version 1
> >>
> >>>>Bus Type: PCI, ISA, USB
> >>>>Memory: 127 MB (66% Utilized)
> >>>>Floppy Disks: 1.44 MB
> >>>>Hard Disks: 18.63 GB
> >>>>Multimedia: Sound, CD-ROM
> >>>>Video: 1028 x 768 in 64K Colors, NVIDIA G
> >>>>Operating System
> >>>>Windows: 5.0 (Build 2195)
> >>>>Net Clients: Microsoft Windows Network
> >>>>
> >>>>FROM MEMORY TAB
> >>>>Under WINDOWS MEMORY USAGE on left side of card
> >>>>Total Physical Memory: 128 MB
> >>>>Total Windows Memory: 541 MB
> >>>>Free: 431 MB
> >>>>Used: 110 MB
> >>>>Selection: 0
> >>>>
> >>>>FROM DRIVE TAB
> >>>>Disk Usage
> >>>>Free: 14.35 GB
> >>>>Used: 4.27 GB
> >>>>Selection: 0 bytes
> >>>>0 bytes Allocated, 0% Slack
> >>>>
> >>>>Hope to hear some responses, ideas. Thank you again.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>.
> >>>
> >
> >.
> >