A FrontPage Warning!

When I set out to document my company's software development methodology, I
unwisely decided to ignore the advice of our technical people, and used
Microsoft Front Page. I was cautious along the way, building the site and
testing it thoroughly at critical junctures to make sure I wasn't painting
myself into a corner. Everything seemed okay. When I was finished (2711
pages), I tested the site again, and everything appeared to be working. I
then decided to rename some of the pages that had blanks in them, so they
wouldn't show up as "%20". Again, having had long experience with various
flakey Microsoft products, I made a few test changes, recompiled, and
satisfied myself that nothing was amiss. Then I went back and changed the
remaining pages.

When I was finished, I found a number of anomalies. First, several pages
were not showing up on the button bar (they showed up as red "x"s). When I
went back into Frontpage, and double clicked on the suspect pages in the
navigator, I received an error message. I could see that the pages were
still in the folders, so I was able to drag them back to the navigator
structure, move their child pages, and remove the broken page. Why did this
occur? Who knows in a Microsoft world. That wasn't too bad - only took a
couple of hours to track down everything and fix it.

Then, when I tried to build the project, I got the following error:

Server error: The folder that would hold URL 'reference/tasks/define object
model/_overlay/Define_objuect_model.htm_nav_tabs010_hbtn.gif' does not exist
on the server

Well thanks a lot. I thought that was what FP was supposed to do!

Now, when I view the finished site, I have random buttons showing up with
no text on them. They WORK, and if you hover over them you see the right
path. Front Page simply fails to create the button gifs with the right text
on them.

This is really terrific. I've spent three months creating this site, and
this piece of Microsoft crap not only ruins it, but waits until it's
completed to do so. Could this really be an accident? Or does Microsoft do
this on purpose?

Sadly, I LIKE Front Page. I've used it for all of my simple websites for
years. (You would think that Micro$oft would have gotten it right by now.)
However, if you plan to build anything bigger than a few pages, I'd strongly
advise a different tool.

"However, if you plan to build anything bigger than a few pages, I'd
strongly
advise a different tool."

Subwebs, subwebs, subwebs.


--
===
Tom "Pepper" Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
About FrontPage 2003:
http://office.microsoft.com/home/of...etid=FX01085802
FrontPage 2003 Product Information:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/fro...fo/default.mspx
Understanding FrontPage:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/office/un...ding/frontpage/
===

"Exotic-Scales.com" <jb@NOSPAM.exotic-scales.com> wrote in message
news:10ur5paqoebde3e@corp.supernews.com...
| When I set out to document my company's software development methodology,
I
| unwisely decided to ignore the advice of our technical people, and used
| Microsoft Front Page. I was cautious along the way, building the site and
| testing it thoroughly at critical junctures to make sure I wasn't painting
| myself into a corner. Everything seemed okay. When I was finished (2711
| pages), I tested the site again, and everything appeared to be working. I
| then decided to rename some of the pages that had blanks in them, so they
| wouldn't show up as "%20". Again, having had long experience with various
| flakey Microsoft products, I made a few test changes, recompiled, and
| satisfied myself that nothing was amiss. Then I went back and changed the
| remaining pages.
|
| When I was finished, I found a number of anomalies. First, several pages
| were not showing up on the button bar (they showed up as red "x"s). When
I
| went back into Frontpage, and double clicked on the suspect pages in the
| navigator, I received an error message. I could see that the pages were
| still in the folders, so I was able to drag them back to the navigator
| structure, move their child pages, and remove the broken page. Why did
this
| occur? Who knows in a Microsoft world. That wasn't too bad - only took a
| couple of hours to track down everything and fix it.
|
| Then, when I tried to build the project, I got the following error:
|
| Server error: The folder that would hold URL 'reference/tasks/define
object
| model/_overlay/Define_objuect_model.htm_nav_tabs010_hbtn.gif' does not
exist
| on the server
|
| Well thanks a lot. I thought that was what FP was supposed to do!
|
| Now, when I view the finished site, I have random buttons showing up with
| no text on them. They WORK, and if you hover over them you see the right
| path. Front Page simply fails to create the button gifs with the right
text
| on them.
|
| This is really terrific. I've spent three months creating this site, and
| this piece of Microsoft crap not only ruins it, but waits until it's
| completed to do so. Could this really be an accident? Or does Microsoft
do
| this on purpose?
|
| Sadly, I LIKE Front Page. I've used it for all of my simple websites for
| years. (You would think that Micro$oft would have gotten it right by
now.)
| However, if you plan to build anything bigger than a few pages, I'd
strongly
| advise a different tool.
|
|
|
|
|
|

Did you try Recalculate Hyperlinks anywhere along the line?




"Exotic-Scales.com" <jb@NOSPAM.exotic-scales.com> wrote in message news:10ur5paqoebde3e@corp.supernews.com...
| When I set out to document my company's software development methodology, I
| unwisely decided to ignore the advice of our technical people, and used
| Microsoft Front Page. I was cautious along the way, building the site and
| testing it thoroughly at critical junctures to make sure I wasn't painting
| myself into a corner. Everything seemed okay. When I was finished (2711
| pages), I tested the site again, and everything appeared to be working. I
| then decided to rename some of the pages that had blanks in them, so they
| wouldn't show up as "%20". Again, having had long experience with various
| flakey Microsoft products, I made a few test changes, recompiled, and
| satisfied myself that nothing was amiss. Then I went back and changed the
| remaining pages.
|
| When I was finished, I found a number of anomalies. First, several pages
| were not showing up on the button bar (they showed up as red "x"s). When I
| went back into Frontpage, and double clicked on the suspect pages in the
| navigator, I received an error message. I could see that the pages were
| still in the folders, so I was able to drag them back to the navigator
| structure, move their child pages, and remove the broken page. Why did this
| occur? Who knows in a Microsoft world. That wasn't too bad - only took a
| couple of hours to track down everything and fix it.
|
| Then, when I tried to build the project, I got the following error:
|
| Server error: The folder that would hold URL 'reference/tasks/define object
| model/_overlay/Define_objuect_model.htm_nav_tabs010_hbtn.gif' does not exist
| on the server
|
| Well thanks a lot. I thought that was what FP was supposed to do!
|
| Now, when I view the finished site, I have random buttons showing up with
| no text on them. They WORK, and if you hover over them you see the right
| path. Front Page simply fails to create the button gifs with the right text
| on them.
|
| This is really terrific. I've spent three months creating this site, and
| this piece of Microsoft crap not only ruins it, but waits until it's
| completed to do so. Could this really be an accident? Or does Microsoft do
| this on purpose?
|
| Sadly, I LIKE Front Page. I've used it for all of my simple websites for
| years. (You would think that Micro$oft would have gotten it right by now.)
| However, if you plan to build anything bigger than a few pages, I'd strongly
| advise a different tool.
|
|
|
|
|
|

With every tool, even a shovel, it's how you use it! Just try holding onto
a shovel and see what it does.

"Exotic-Scales.com" <jb@NOSPAM.exotic-scales.com> wrote in message
news:10ur5paqoebde3e@corp.supernews.com...
> When I set out to document my company's software development methodology,
> I unwisely decided to ignore the advice of our technical people, and used
> Microsoft Front Page. I was cautious along the way, building the site and
> testing it thoroughly at critical junctures to make sure I wasn't painting
> myself into a corner. Everything seemed okay. When I was finished (2711
> pages), I tested the site again, and everything appeared to be working. I
> then decided to rename some of the pages that had blanks in them, so they
> wouldn't show up as "%20". Again, having had long experience with various
> flakey Microsoft products, I made a few test changes, recompiled, and
> satisfied myself that nothing was amiss. Then I went back and changed the
> remaining pages.
>
> When I was finished, I found a number of anomalies. First, several pages
> were not showing up on the button bar (they showed up as red "x"s). When
> I went back into Frontpage, and double clicked on the suspect pages in the
> navigator, I received an error message. I could see that the pages were
> still in the folders, so I was able to drag them back to the navigator
> structure, move their child pages, and remove the broken page. Why did
> this occur? Who knows in a Microsoft world. That wasn't too bad - only
> took a couple of hours to track down everything and fix it.
>
> Then, when I tried to build the project, I got the following error:
>
> Server error: The folder that would hold URL 'reference/tasks/define
> object model/_overlay/Define_objuect_model.htm_nav_tabs010_hbtn.gif' does
> not exist on the server
>
> Well thanks a lot. I thought that was what FP was supposed to do!
>
> Now, when I view the finished site, I have random buttons showing up with
> no text on them. They WORK, and if you hover over them you see the right
> path. Front Page simply fails to create the button gifs with the right
> text on them.
>
> This is really terrific. I've spent three months creating this site, and
> this piece of Microsoft crap not only ruins it, but waits until it's
> completed to do so. Could this really be an accident? Or does Microsoft
> do this on purpose?
>
> Sadly, I LIKE Front Page. I've used it for all of my simple websites for
> years. (You would think that Micro$oft would have gotten it right by
> now.) However, if you plan to build anything bigger than a few pages, I'd
> strongly advise a different tool.
>
>
>
>
>
>

I'd like to mention that I had a similar experience with Black & Decker. I
bought a circular saw. And, even though I know little about carpentry, and
had no time to read the instructions, I went ahead anyway. The stupid saw
wouldn't cut straight lines no matter how hard I tried. even changing the
settings on the saw seemed to have no effect!

PS - Your "S" key seems to be broken; It keeps coming out as $. Oh, wait;
You're trying to be funny or something, aren't you? If you can't be funny,
could you at least be original?

Bob Lehmann

"Exotic-Scales.com" <jb@NOSPAM.exotic-scales.com> wrote in message
news:10ur5paqoebde3e@corp.supernews.com...
> When I set out to document my company's software development methodology,
I
> unwisely decided to ignore the advice of our technical people, and used
> Microsoft Front Page. I was cautious along the way, building the site and
> testing it thoroughly at critical junctures to make sure I wasn't painting
> myself into a corner. Everything seemed okay. When I was finished (2711
> pages), I tested the site again, and everything appeared to be working. I
> then decided to rename some of the pages that had blanks in them, so they
> wouldn't show up as "%20". Again, having had long experience with various
> flakey Microsoft products, I made a few test changes, recompiled, and
> satisfied myself that nothing was amiss. Then I went back and changed the
> remaining pages.
>
> When I was finished, I found a number of anomalies. First, several pages
> were not showing up on the button bar (they showed up as red "x"s). When
I
> went back into Frontpage, and double clicked on the suspect pages in the
> navigator, I received an error message. I could see that the pages were
> still in the folders, so I was able to drag them back to the navigator
> structure, move their child pages, and remove the broken page. Why did
this
> occur? Who knows in a Microsoft world. That wasn't too bad - only took a
> couple of hours to track down everything and fix it.
>
> Then, when I tried to build the project, I got the following error:
>
> Server error: The folder that would hold URL 'reference/tasks/define
object
> model/_overlay/Define_objuect_model.htm_nav_tabs010_hbtn.gif' does not
exist
> on the server
>
> Well thanks a lot. I thought that was what FP was supposed to do!
>
> Now, when I view the finished site, I have random buttons showing up with
> no text on them. They WORK, and if you hover over them you see the right
> path. Front Page simply fails to create the button gifs with the right
text
> on them.
>
> This is really terrific. I've spent three months creating this site, and
> this piece of Microsoft crap not only ruins it, but waits until it's
> completed to do so. Could this really be an accident? Or does Microsoft
do
> this on purpose?
>
> Sadly, I LIKE Front Page. I've used it for all of my simple websites for
> years. (You would think that Micro$oft would have gotten it right by
now.)
> However, if you plan to build anything bigger than a few pages, I'd
strongly
> advise a different tool.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Spamming multiple groups with your post detracts from your credibility.

--
Jim Cheshire
JIMCO
Charity-ware Add-ins for FrontPage
http://www.jimcoaddins.com

Pop-up generator Spawn 1.6 now available!
All pop-ups work with Windows XP SP2

Author of Special Edition Using Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003

Also kinda like driving around for hours trying to find an address rather than asking for directions or reading a map??


"Bob Lehmann" <nospam@dontbotherme.zzz> wrote in message news:%23Z$K4Ec$EHA.2196@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| I'd like to mention that I had a similar experience with Black & Decker. I
| bought a circular saw. And, even though I know little about carpentry, and
| had no time to read the instructions, I went ahead anyway. The stupid saw
| wouldn't cut straight lines no matter how hard I tried. even changing the
| settings on the saw seemed to have no effect!
|
| PS - Your "S" key seems to be broken; It keeps coming out as $. Oh, wait;
| You're trying to be funny or something, aren't you? If you can't be funny,
| could you at least be original?
|
| Bob Lehmann
|
| "Exotic-Scales.com" <jb@NOSPAM.exotic-scales.com> wrote in message
| news:10ur5paqoebde3e@corp.supernews.com...
| > When I set out to document my company's software development methodology,
| I
| > unwisely decided to ignore the advice of our technical people, and used
| > Microsoft Front Page. I was cautious along the way, building the site and
| > testing it thoroughly at critical junctures to make sure I wasn't painting
| > myself into a corner. Everything seemed okay. When I was finished (2711
| > pages), I tested the site again, and everything appeared to be working. I
| > then decided to rename some of the pages that had blanks in them, so they
| > wouldn't show up as "%20". Again, having had long experience with various
| > flakey Microsoft products, I made a few test changes, recompiled, and
| > satisfied myself that nothing was amiss. Then I went back and changed the
| > remaining pages.
| >
| > When I was finished, I found a number of anomalies. First, several pages
| > were not showing up on the button bar (they showed up as red "x"s). When
| I
| > went back into Frontpage, and double clicked on the suspect pages in the
| > navigator, I received an error message. I could see that the pages were
| > still in the folders, so I was able to drag them back to the navigator
| > structure, move their child pages, and remove the broken page. Why did
| this
| > occur? Who knows in a Microsoft world. That wasn't too bad - only took a
| > couple of hours to track down everything and fix it.
| >
| > Then, when I tried to build the project, I got the following error:
| >
| > Server error: The folder that would hold URL 'reference/tasks/define
| object
| > model/_overlay/Define_objuect_model.htm_nav_tabs010_hbtn.gif' does not
| exist
| > on the server
| >
| > Well thanks a lot. I thought that was what FP was supposed to do!
| >
| > Now, when I view the finished site, I have random buttons showing up with
| > no text on them. They WORK, and if you hover over them you see the right
| > path. Front Page simply fails to create the button gifs with the right
| text
| > on them.
| >
| > This is really terrific. I've spent three months creating this site, and
| > this piece of Microsoft crap not only ruins it, but waits until it's
| > completed to do so. Could this really be an accident? Or does Microsoft
| do
| > this on purpose?
| >
| > Sadly, I LIKE Front Page. I've used it for all of my simple websites for
| > years. (You would think that Micro$oft would have gotten it right by
| now.)
| > However, if you plan to build anything bigger than a few pages, I'd
| strongly
| > advise a different tool.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
|

Did you think to plug it in, and pull the trigger, Bob, or were you using
that familiar back and forth sawing motion?

--
Murray

"Bob Lehmann" <nospam@dontbotherme.zzz> wrote in message
news:%23Z$K4Ec$EHA.2196@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> I'd like to mention that I had a similar experience with Black & Decker. I
> bought a circular saw. And, even though I know little about carpentry, and
> had no time to read the instructions, I went ahead anyway. The stupid saw
> wouldn't cut straight lines no matter how hard I tried. even changing the
> settings on the saw seemed to have no effect!
>
> PS - Your "S" key seems to be broken; It keeps coming out as $. Oh, wait;
> You're trying to be funny or something, aren't you? If you can't be funny,
> could you at least be original?
>
> Bob Lehmann
>
> "Exotic-Scales.com" <jb@NOSPAM.exotic-scales.com> wrote in message
> news:10ur5paqoebde3e@corp.supernews.com...
>> When I set out to document my company's software development methodology,
>

Now you're really trying to take the fun out of being lost....

--
Murray

"Rob Giordano (Crash Gordon®)" <NOVIAGRAwebmaster@siriussystems.com> wrote
in message news:OYaa4Tc$EHA.2984@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
Also kinda like driving around for hours trying to find an address rather
than asking for directions or reading a map??


"Bob Lehmann" <nospam@dontbotherme.zzz> wrote in message
news:%23Z$K4Ec$EHA.2196@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| I'd like to mention that I had a similar experience with Black & Decker. I
| bought a circular saw. And, even though I know little about carpentry, and
| had no time to read the instructions, I went ahead anyway. The stupid saw
| wouldn't cut straight lines no matter how hard I tried. even changing the
| settings on the saw seemed to have no effect!
|
| PS - Your "S" key seems to be broken; It keeps coming out as $. Oh, wait;
| You're trying to be funny or something, aren't you? If you can't be funny,
| could you at least be original?
|
| Bob Lehmann
|
| "Exotic-Scales.com" <jb@NOSPAM.exotic-scales.com> wrote in message
| news:10ur5paqoebde3e@corp.supernews.com...
| > When I set out to document my company's software development
methodology,
| I
| > unwisely decided to ignore the advice of our technical people, and used
| > Microsoft Front Page. I was cautious along the way, building the site
and
| > testing it thoroughly at critical junctures to make sure I wasn't
painting
| > myself into a corner. Everything seemed okay. When I was finished
(2711
| > pages), I tested the site again, and everything appeared to be working.
I
| > then decided to rename some of the pages that had blanks in them, so
they
| > wouldn't show up as "%20". Again, having had long experience with
various
| > flakey Microsoft products, I made a few test changes, recompiled, and
| > satisfied myself that nothing was amiss. Then I went back and changed
the
| > remaining pages.
| >
| > When I was finished, I found a number of anomalies. First, several
pages
| > were not showing up on the button bar (they showed up as red "x"s).
When
| I
| > went back into Frontpage, and double clicked on the suspect pages in the
| > navigator, I received an error message. I could see that the pages were
| > still in the folders, so I was able to drag them back to the navigator
| > structure, move their child pages, and remove the broken page. Why did
| this
| > occur? Who knows in a Microsoft world. That wasn't too bad - only took
a
| > couple of hours to track down everything and fix it.
| >
| > Then, when I tried to build the project, I got the following error:
| >
| > Server error: The folder that would hold URL 'reference/tasks/define
| object
| > model/_overlay/Define_objuect_model.htm_nav_tabs010_hbtn.gif' does not
| exist
| > on the server
| >
| > Well thanks a lot. I thought that was what FP was supposed to do!
| >
| > Now, when I view the finished site, I have random buttons showing up
with
| > no text on them. They WORK, and if you hover over them you see the
right
| > path. Front Page simply fails to create the button gifs with the right
| text
| > on them.
| >
| > This is really terrific. I've spent three months creating this site,
and
| > this piece of Microsoft crap not only ruins it, but waits until it's
| > completed to do so. Could this really be an accident? Or does Microsoft
| do
| > this on purpose?
| >
| > Sadly, I LIKE Front Page. I've used it for all of my simple websites
for
| > years. (You would think that Micro$oft would have gotten it right by
| now.)
| > However, if you plan to build anything bigger than a few pages, I'd
| strongly
| > advise a different tool.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
|
|

Looks like he's running Windows server without extensions...should we mention that/

Anyway...I like getting lost! I try to get lost at least once a day.


"Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message news:Ov9ztZc$EHA.208@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
| Now you're really trying to take the fun out of being lost....
|
| --
| Murray
|
| "Rob Giordano (Crash Gordon®)" <NOVIAGRAwebmaster@siriussystems.com> wrote
| in message news:OYaa4Tc$EHA.2984@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| Also kinda like driving around for hours trying to find an address rather
| than asking for directions or reading a map??
|
|
| "Bob Lehmann" <nospam@dontbotherme.zzz> wrote in message
| news:%23Z$K4Ec$EHA.2196@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| | I'd like to mention that I had a similar experience with Black & Decker. I
| | bought a circular saw. And, even though I know little about carpentry, and
| | had no time to read the instructions, I went ahead anyway. The stupid saw
| | wouldn't cut straight lines no matter how hard I tried. even changing the
| | settings on the saw seemed to have no effect!
| |
| | PS - Your "S" key seems to be broken; It keeps coming out as $. Oh, wait;
| | You're trying to be funny or something, aren't you? If you can't be funny,
| | could you at least be original?
| |
| | Bob Lehmann
| |
| | "Exotic-Scales.com" <jb@NOSPAM.exotic-scales.com> wrote in message
| | news:10ur5paqoebde3e@corp.supernews.com...
| | > When I set out to document my company's software development
| methodology,
| | I
| | > unwisely decided to ignore the advice of our technical people, and used
| | > Microsoft Front Page. I was cautious along the way, building the site
| and
| | > testing it thoroughly at critical junctures to make sure I wasn't
| painting
| | > myself into a corner. Everything seemed okay. When I was finished
| (2711
| | > pages), I tested the site again, and everything appeared to be working.
| I
| | > then decided to rename some of the pages that had blanks in them, so
| they
| | > wouldn't show up as "%20". Again, having had long experience with
| various
| | > flakey Microsoft products, I made a few test changes, recompiled, and
| | > satisfied myself that nothing was amiss. Then I went back and changed
| the
| | > remaining pages.
| | >
| | > When I was finished, I found a number of anomalies. First, several
| pages
| | > were not showing up on the button bar (they showed up as red "x"s).
| When
| | I
| | > went back into Frontpage, and double clicked on the suspect pages in the
| | > navigator, I received an error message. I could see that the pages were
| | > still in the folders, so I was able to drag them back to the navigator
| | > structure, move their child pages, and remove the broken page. Why did
| | this
| | > occur? Who knows in a Microsoft world. That wasn't too bad - only took
| a
| | > couple of hours to track down everything and fix it.
| | >
| | > Then, when I tried to build the project, I got the following error:
| | >
| | > Server error: The folder that would hold URL 'reference/tasks/define
| | object
| | > model/_overlay/Define_objuect_model.htm_nav_tabs010_hbtn.gif' does not
| | exist
| | > on the server
| | >
| | > Well thanks a lot. I thought that was what FP was supposed to do!
| | >
| | > Now, when I view the finished site, I have random buttons showing up
| with
| | > no text on them. They WORK, and if you hover over them you see the
| right
| | > path. Front Page simply fails to create the button gifs with the right
| | text
| | > on them.
| | >
| | > This is really terrific. I've spent three months creating this site,
| and
| | > this piece of Microsoft crap not only ruins it, but waits until it's
| | > completed to do so. Could this really be an accident? Or does Microsoft
| | do
| | > this on purpose?
| | >
| | > Sadly, I LIKE Front Page. I've used it for all of my simple websites
| for
| | > years. (You would think that Micro$oft would have gotten it right by
| | now.)
| | > However, if you plan to build anything bigger than a few pages, I'd
| | strongly
| | > advise a different tool.
| | >
| | >
| | >
| | >
| | >
| | >
| |
| |
|
|