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03-01-2005, 02:19 PM
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Multilingual Sites
Hi,
I'd like to build my new website bilingual. Does anybody have a hint to to realize this with FrontPage? I 'm using for each language a separate htm-file with the same dwt . How ever this breaks the navigation structure, because I can only link a set of pages for one language. So is looks like that I have to create to fully separate website for the second language. Is that right? Does anybody have a hint? TIA Andrew -- Andrew Smith |
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03-01-2005, 03:06 PM
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Re: Multilingual Sites
Hi Andrew:
Another approach to consider, is to construct your primary langue website (English) entirely of text, i.e.: no graphic text elements, or as few as possible. Then go to one of the website translation sites; http://www.freetranslation.com/web.htm http://www.altavista.com/help/free/...earchbox_transl http://www.worldlingo.com/products_...ranslation.html http://dir.yahoo.com/Business_and_E...te_Translation/ And follow their procedures for translation into a multitude of languages. I've employed this technique on more than one occasion with decent success. Let me know how you make-out. Happy New Year Tom G, Sr. HiOn Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:19:47 +0100, "Andrew Smith" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote: >Hi, > >I'd like to build my new website bilingual. Does anybody have a hint to to >realize this with FrontPage? > >I 'm using for each language a separate htm-file with the same dwt . How >ever this breaks the navigation structure, because I can only link a set of >pages for one language. > >So is looks like that I have to create to fully separate website for the >second language. Is that right? Does anybody have a hint? > >TIA >Andrew >-- >Andrew Smith > > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ Name: T. & D. Gregor, Sr. E-Mail: webmaster@scenery.org Web-Site: http://www.scenery.org "The Scenery Hall of Fame" Subscribe to our Newsletter: Scenery-subscribe@topica.com _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ |
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03-01-2005, 03:27 PM
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Re: Multilingual Sites
The recommended way is to create a subweb for any additional languages
You can use a common dwt across subwebs -- _____________________________________________ SBR @ ENJOY (-: [ Microsoft MVP - FrontPage ] "Warning - Using the F1 Key will not break anything!" (-; To find the best Newsgroup for FrontPage support see: http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp _____________________________________________ "Andrew Smith" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23imDrea8EHA.3376@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... | Hi, | | I'd like to build my new website bilingual. Does anybody have a hint to to | realize this with FrontPage? | | I 'm using for each language a separate htm-file with the same dwt . How | ever this breaks the navigation structure, because I can only link a set of | pages for one language. | | So is looks like that I have to create to fully separate website for the | second language. Is that right? Does anybody have a hint? | | TIA | Andrew | -- | Andrew Smith | | |
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03-01-2005, 03:38 PM
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Re: Multilingual Sites
Hi,
thanks for your advice. I will it do it that way. Still wondering why FrontPage even in the latest version is not able to support that in an effective manner. Thanks for your advice with the dwt. Regards, Andrew -- Andrew Smith |
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03-01-2005, 06:31 PM
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Re: Multilingual Sites
The requirements for multi-lingual sites vary quite a bit, and usually
involve some programming. At the least, not all products, or documents, or whatever may be available in all countries or languages. If you're doing database queries, you have to retrieve a different description field for each language. And quite often, yo may need to convert currencies on the fly. BTW, here's a scrap of ASP code that will redirect visitors to a different site depending on the language setting in their browser. You put this at the very top of the page, just after the <html> tag. <% dim regEx dim matches dim languages dim lang dim pos Set regEx = New RegExp regEx.Pattern = "^[a-zA-Z]+" languages = split("" & request.servervariables("HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE"), ",") for pos = 0 to ubound(languages) lang = languages(pos) Set matches = regEx.Execute(lang) if matches.Count > 0 then select case lang case "en" ' English exit for ' Current site is the correct site. case "fr" ' French response.redirect "http://french.example.com" ' jump to the French site. response.end ' Bypass the rest of the current page. case "de" ' German response.redirect "http://german.example.com" ' jump to the German site. response.end ' Bypass the rest of the current page. end select end if next %> For a list of language codes, browse http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/...guage_codes.asp The preceding script is only sensitive to the leading portion of each language code. For example, it treats all of these: de German (Standard) de-ch German (Switzerland) de-at German (Austria) de-lu German (Luxembourg) de-li German (Liechtenstein) as de. Jim Buyens Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://www.interlacken.com Author of: *---------------------------------------------------- |\--------------------------------------------------- || Microsoft Windows SharePoint Services Inside Out || Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out ||--------------------------------------------------- || Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition || Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out || Faster Smarter Beginning Programming || (All from Microsoft Press) |/--------------------------------------------------- *---------------------------------------------------- "Andrew Smith" wrote: > Hi, > > thanks for your advice. I will it do it that way. Still wondering why > FrontPage even in the latest version is not able to support that in an > effective manner. Thanks for your advice with the dwt. > > Regards, > Andrew > > -- > Andrew Smith > > > |
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03-01-2005, 09:58 PM
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Re: Multilingual Sites
Hello Andrew,
If you're really serious about "globalization"+"localization" you should use those search terms to learn more. First, the software translators are a joke and that is well known to those whom know better. For the time being, due to the lack of processing power and the fact that while computational linguistics have become quite advanced and continue to be refifned over time our notion of computational linguistics continues to significantly fail to reliably translate any of the constructs that are used to actually communicate ideas to people, i.e. software translation does a real ****-poor job with simile, metaphor, analogy, allegory and other 'figures of speech.' Human translation is well worth every cent if you are involved in e-commerce. The return on investment will pay dividends in the most important concern; good will and respect shown to your customers. Secondly, if you are going to consider any software language or platform for development you should know that ASP.NET supports globalization and localizatiion to a greater extent than any other initiative at the present time. Using ASP.NET can enable web development which supports user interface requirements for hundreds of supported languages, even those that require constructs such as right-left, top-down, symbols, date and time structures or any other language characteristics. It would be a waste of time and money and culturally insulting to use ASP to simply redirect to a page of foolish gibberish generated by software that still required a person to read bass ackwards. Hello? -- <%= Clinton Gallagher METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services" NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/ "Andrew Smith" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:eE%231eKb8EHA.3828@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > Hi, > > thanks for your advice. I will it do it that way. Still wondering why > FrontPage even in the latest version is not able to support that in an > effective manner. Thanks for your advice with the dwt. > > Regards, > Andrew > > -- > Andrew Smith > > |
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04-01-2005, 04:23 AM
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Re: Multilingual Sites
I don't think there was any mention of computer-translation in this thread.
If Andrew Smith here is struggling with DWTs, I would guess that ASP.NET won't be practical for him in the short term. I suspect he would create two sites by hand and then want to redirect visitors to the correct site. Just a guess. The purpose of this newsgroup is to help people at all levels of knowledge. Talking over someone's heads is out of line. Sincere advice and considerate opinions are fine. Jim Buyens Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://www.interlacken.com Author of: *---------------------------------------------------- |\--------------------------------------------------- || Microsoft Windows SharePoint Services Inside Out || Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out ||--------------------------------------------------- || Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition || Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out || Faster Smarter Beginning Programming || (All from Microsoft Press) |/--------------------------------------------------- *---------------------------------------------------- "clintonG" wrote: > Hello Andrew, > > If you're really serious about "globalization"+"localization" you should use > those search terms to learn more. > > First, the software translators are a joke and that is well known to those > whom know better. For the time being, due to the lack of processing power > and the fact that while computational linguistics have become quite advanced > and continue to be refifned over time our notion of computational > linguistics continues to significantly fail to reliably translate any of the > constructs that are used to actually communicate ideas to people, i.e. > software translation does a real ****-poor job with simile, metaphor, > analogy, allegory and other 'figures of speech.' Human translation is well > worth every cent if you are involved in e-commerce. The return on investment > will pay dividends in the most important concern; good will and respect > shown to your customers. > > Secondly, if you are going to consider any software language or platform for > development you should know that ASP.NET supports globalization and > localizatiion to a greater extent than any other initiative at the present > time. Using ASP.NET can enable web development which supports user interface > requirements for hundreds of supported languages, even those that require > constructs such as right-left, top-down, symbols, date and time structures > or any other language characteristics. > > It would be a waste of time and money and culturally insulting to use ASP to > simply redirect to a page of foolish gibberish generated by software that > still required a person to read bass ackwards. Hello? > > > -- > <%= Clinton Gallagher > METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services" > NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com > URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/ > > > > > "Andrew Smith" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:eE%231eKb8EHA.3828@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > > Hi, > > > > thanks for your advice. I will it do it that way. Still wondering why > > FrontPage even in the latest version is not able to support that in an > > effective manner. Thanks for your advice with the dwt. > > > > Regards, > > Andrew > > > > -- > > Andrew Smith > > > > > > > |
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04-01-2005, 04:53 PM
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Re: Multilingual Sites
The very first reply from T. & D. Gregor Sr. suggested using 'software
translation sites' so your comments to me in that regard are based on your own failure to read and understand the replies to this topic. As for your 'guess' regarding ASP.NET in what you refer to as the 'short term' I am compelled by the facts and my current knowledge of the .NET Framework to tell you that your guesswork is short-sighted. Furthermore, your assumption to know what is best for anybody in the short term or any term for that matter is presumptuous. Anybody interested in determing the facts for themselves can do so once somebody helps them learn the keywords that are being used to define and describe a given topic. Once having learned more of the actual facts involved and the basis of how the facts came about the decision to adopt or not adopt a given tactical methodology is not yours to make. As for your final remarks regarding the use of this newsgroup -- pompous as they were -- if it was my intention to talk over anybody's head I would not have provided the search terms or bothered discussing the facts and complex issues involved in this topic. If you choose to insult the intelligence of people that come here seeking discussion by assuming a person does not have the intellectual capacity or the interest in discussing what can be complex issues that is your decision but again, it is not for you to decide either way unless it applies to you directly. As for me in this regard, it is me and it will remain me that decides who to offer the benefit of my insight, when, and how. Not you. As for others, it is their determination to take advantage of what I have to offer or choose to ignore it. Not you. -- <%= Clinton Gallagher METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services" NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/ "Jim Buyens" <news@interlacken.com> wrote in message news:00D2C836-5F36-4F41-BD0B-DD2283A51C32@microsoft.com... > I don't think there was any mention of computer-translation in this thread. > > If Andrew Smith here is struggling with DWTs, I would guess that ASP.NET > won't be practical for him in the short term. I suspect he would create two > sites by hand and then want to redirect visitors to the correct site. Just a > guess. > > The purpose of this newsgroup is to help people at all levels of knowledge. > Talking over someone's heads is out of line. Sincere advice and considerate > opinions are fine. > > Jim Buyens > Microsoft FrontPage MVP > http://www.interlacken.com > Author of: > *---------------------------------------------------- > |\--------------------------------------------------- > || Microsoft Windows SharePoint Services Inside Out > || Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out > ||--------------------------------------------------- > || Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition > || Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out > || Faster Smarter Beginning Programming > || (All from Microsoft Press) > |/--------------------------------------------------- > *---------------------------------------------------- > > "clintonG" wrote: > > > Hello Andrew, > > > > If you're really serious about "globalization"+"localization" you should use > > those search terms to learn more. > > > > First, the software translators are a joke and that is well known to those > > whom know better. For the time being, due to the lack of processing power > > and the fact that while computational linguistics have become quite advanced > > and continue to be refifned over time our notion of computational > > linguistics continues to significantly fail to reliably translate any of the > > constructs that are used to actually communicate ideas to people, i.e. > > software translation does a real ****-poor job with simile, metaphor, > > analogy, allegory and other 'figures of speech.' Human translation is well > > worth every cent if you are involved in e-commerce. The return on investment > > will pay dividends in the most important concern; good will and respect > > shown to your customers. > > > > Secondly, if you are going to consider any software language or platform for > > development you should know that ASP.NET supports globalization and > > localizatiion to a greater extent than any other initiative at the present > > time. Using ASP.NET can enable web development which supports user interface > > requirements for hundreds of supported languages, even those that require > > constructs such as right-left, top-down, symbols, date and time structures > > or any other language characteristics. > > > > It would be a waste of time and money and culturally insulting to use ASP to > > simply redirect to a page of foolish gibberish generated by software that > > still required a person to read bass ackwards. Hello? > > > > > > -- > > <%= Clinton Gallagher > > METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services" > > NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com > > URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/ > > > > > > > > > > "Andrew Smith" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > news:eE%231eKb8EHA.3828@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > > > Hi, > > > > > > thanks for your advice. I will it do it that way. Still wondering why > > > FrontPage even in the latest version is not able to support that in an > > > effective manner. Thanks for your advice with the dwt. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Andrew > > > > > > -- > > > Andrew Smith > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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04-01-2005, 06:01 PM
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Re: Multilingual Sites
Responses interspersed. However, this is the last time I'm going to respond
here, because this newsgroup isn't the proper forum for this. Contact me privately via http://www.interlacken.com/common/contact.aspx if you wish. "clintonG" wrote: > The very first reply from T. & D. Gregor Sr. suggested using 'software > translation sites' so your comments to me in that regard are based on your > own failure to read and understand the replies to this topic. Guilty. I guess I filtered that out so quickly that I never even noticed it. > As for your 'guess' regarding ASP.NET in what you refer to as the 'short > term' I am compelled by the facts and my current knowledge of the .NET > Framework to tell you that your guesswork is short-sighted. Furthermore, > your assumption to know what is best for anybody in the short term or any > term for that matter is presumptuous. And yet you feel no compunction stating what *you* believe is best for anybody. > Anybody interested in determing the facts for themselves can do so once > somebody helps them learn the keywords that are being used to define and > describe a given topic. Once having learned more of the actual facts > involved and the basis of how the facts came about the decision to adopt or > not adopt a given tactical methodology is not yours to make. I aggree that the final choice of approach lies with each person, which means not with me, and not with you. At the same time, it makes perfect sense to consider the apparent skill level of the questioner before providing an answer. An answer that's too far above or below the questioner's skill level is generally useless, and may be insulting. This, of course, is tricky, because the questioner's skill level is far from obvious. All we have to go by is a few lines of text. In this case, I presumed that because the questioner was somewhat uncertain how to use Dynamic Web Templates in FrontPage, they probably weren't an experienced ASP.NETdeveloper. That's not a sure thing, but it's the assumption I made. Most people posting these sorts of newsgroup questions are looking for quick fixes, and not for extensive self-education. That's why I, for one, try to give the simplest, most direct answers I can. > As for your final remarks regarding the use of this newsgroup -- pompous as > they were -- if it was my intention to talk over anybody's head I would not > have provided the search terms or bothered discussing the facts and complex > issues involved in this topic. A matter of opinion, for sure. > If you choose to insult the intelligence of people that come here seeking > discussion by assuming a person does not have the intellectual capacity or > the interest in discussing what can be complex issues that is your decision > but again, it is not for you to decide either way unless it applies to you > directly. As for me in this regard, it is me and it will remain me that > decides who to offer the benefit of my insight, when, and how. Not you. As > for others, it is their determination to take advantage of what I have to > offer or choose to ignore it. Not you. Well, you can obviously post whatever you want; that's one of the beauties of usenet. And for what it's worth, if I had to develop a multi-lingual Web site, I, like you, would almost certainly do it in ASP.NET. In fact, I have done so in the past. But not everyone has the time or the aptitude to learn ASP.NET programming; some people's talents lay more in marketing, or product selection, or graphic design, or running tours, or a million other areas. Even so, some of them want to develop simple Web sites, and just like posting to usenet, they should have the freedom to do so. The Web is for everyone, not just the technically astute. I mean, it's fine to evangelize ASP.NET but if you scream too loud, you dissuade more people than you convert. Jim Buyens Microsoft FrontPage MVP http://www.interlacken.com Author of: *---------------------------------------------------- |\--------------------------------------------------- || Microsoft Windows SharePoint Services Inside Out || Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out ||--------------------------------------------------- || Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition || Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out || Faster Smarter Beginning Programming || (All from Microsoft Press) |/--------------------------------------------------- *---------------------------------------------------- > -- > <%= Clinton Gallagher > METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services" > NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com > URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/ > > > > > > "Jim Buyens" <news@interlacken.com> wrote in message > news:00D2C836-5F36-4F41-BD0B-DD2283A51C32@microsoft.com... > > I don't think there was any mention of computer-translation in this > thread. > > > > If Andrew Smith here is struggling with DWTs, I would guess that ASP.NET > > won't be practical for him in the short term. I suspect he would create > two > > sites by hand and then want to redirect visitors to the correct site. Just > a > > guess. > > > > The purpose of this newsgroup is to help people at all levels of > knowledge. > > Talking over someone's heads is out of line. Sincere advice and > considerate > > opinions are fine. > > > > Jim Buyens > > Microsoft FrontPage MVP > > http://www.interlacken.com > > Author of: > > *---------------------------------------------------- > > |\--------------------------------------------------- > > || Microsoft Windows SharePoint Services Inside Out > > || Microsoft Office FrontPage 2003 Inside Out > > ||--------------------------------------------------- > > || Web Database Development Step by Step .NET Edition > > || Microsoft FrontPage Version 2002 Inside Out > > || Faster Smarter Beginning Programming > > || (All from Microsoft Press) > > |/--------------------------------------------------- > > *---------------------------------------------------- > > > > "clintonG" wrote: > > > > > Hello Andrew, > > > > > > If you're really serious about "globalization"+"localization" you should > use > > > those search terms to learn more. > > > > > > First, the software translators are a joke and that is well known to > those > > > whom know better. For the time being, due to the lack of processing > power > > > and the fact that while computational linguistics have become quite > advanced > > > and continue to be refifned over time our notion of computational > > > linguistics continues to significantly fail to reliably translate any of > the > > > constructs that are used to actually communicate ideas to people, i.e. > > > software translation does a real ****-poor job with simile, metaphor, > > > analogy, allegory and other 'figures of speech.' Human translation is > well > > > worth every cent if you are involved in e-commerce. The return on > investment > > > will pay dividends in the most important concern; good will and respect > > > shown to your customers. > > > > > > Secondly, if you are going to consider any software language or platform > for > > > development you should know that ASP.NET supports globalization and > > > localizatiion to a greater extent than any other initiative at the > present > > > time. Using ASP.NET can enable web development which supports user > interface > > > requirements for hundreds of supported languages, even those that > require > > > constructs such as right-left, top-down, symbols, date and time > structures > > > or any other language characteristics. > > > > > > It would be a waste of time and money and culturally insulting to use > ASP to > > > simply redirect to a page of foolish gibberish generated by software > that > > > still required a person to read bass ackwards. Hello? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > <%= Clinton Gallagher > > > METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services" > > > NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com > > > URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Andrew Smith" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > > > news:eE%231eKb8EHA.3828@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > thanks for your advice. I will it do it that way. Still wondering why > > > > FrontPage even in the latest version is not able to support that in an > > > > effective manner. Thanks for your advice with the dwt. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Andrew > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Andrew Smith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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06-01-2005, 09:09 AM
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Re: Multilingual Sites
Hi,
thanks for the various advices. I'm using FrontPage with Shared Borders including Navigation. I created a subweb for German and tried to apply the dwt from the web above. How ever I got an error message saying something like "Server Error, your trying to access a document outside you web" In consequence the the attached dwt created a mess in my subweb. Has anybody used the dwt in this scenario with better result? Thanks in advance Andrew -- Andrew Smith |
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