hidden text

I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in detail what
the web page is for search engines but i've just read that hidden text on
pages is not a good idea for search engines. Is this right?

I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures and so
the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the figures in the
tables.

That is right.
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"guy" <wildfiction@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OUY%23fqWtEHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in detail
what
| the web page is for search engines but i've just read that hidden text on
| pages is not a good idea for search engines. Is this right?
|
| I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures and so
| the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the figures in the
| tables.
|
|

page stuffing (invisible text) for search engines may get you a penalty on some search engines.


"guy" <wildfiction@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OUY%23fqWtEHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in detail what
| the web page is for search engines but i've just read that hidden text on
| pages is not a good idea for search engines. Is this right?
|
| I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures and so
| the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the figures in the
| tables.
|
|

What about making the text size (font) very small but not hidden?

"Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)" <NOVIAGRAwebmaster@siriussystems.com>
wrote in message news:eoohy0WtEHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
page stuffing (invisible text) for search engines may get you a penalty on
some search engines.


"guy" <wildfiction@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OUY%23fqWtEHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in detail
what
| the web page is for search engines but i've just read that hidden text on
| pages is not a good idea for search engines. Is this right?
|
| I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures and so
| the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the figures in the
| tables.
|
|

IMHO, you'd be better off using the meta name="description" and meta
name="keywords" tags.


--

~ Kathleen Anderson
Microsoft FrontPage MVP
Spider Web Woman Designs
http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/



guy <wildfiction@hotmail.com> wrote:
> What about making the text size (font) very small but not hidden?
>
> "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)"
> <NOVIAGRAwebmaster@siriussystems.com> wrote in message
> news:eoohy0WtEHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> page stuffing (invisible text) for search engines may get you a
> penalty on some search engines.
>
>
> "guy" <wildfiction@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OUY%23fqWtEHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in
>> detail what the web page is for search engines but i've just read
>> that hidden text on pages is not a good idea for search engines. Is
>> this right?
>>
>> I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures
>> and so the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the
>> figures in the tables.

Kathleen:

If only the SE's paid attention to them anymore.... 8(

There's just not going to be any substitute for a well and carefully
constructed page in this case, I'm afraid.

--
Murray

"Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]" <spiderwebwoman@mvps.org> wrote in
message news:%23OGt0rdtEHA.904@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> IMHO, you'd be better off using the meta name="description" and meta
> name="keywords" tags.
>
>
> --
>
> ~ Kathleen Anderson
> Microsoft FrontPage MVP
> Spider Web Woman Designs
> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
>
>
>
> guy <wildfiction@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> What about making the text size (font) very small but not hidden?
>>
>> "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)"
>> <NOVIAGRAwebmaster@siriussystems.com> wrote in message
>> news:eoohy0WtEHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> page stuffing (invisible text) for search engines may get you a
>> penalty on some search engines.
>>
>>
>> "guy" <wildfiction@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:OUY%23fqWtEHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>>> I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in
>>> detail what the web page is for search engines but i've just read
>>> that hidden text on pages is not a good idea for search engines. Is
>>> this right?
>>>
>>> I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures
>>> and so the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the
>>> figures in the tables.
>

in your opinion, how "bad" is it to do this? I also put some hidden text
(in a div marked display: none strictly to make the google adsense
advertisements more relevant.

but I don't want to "shoot myself in the foot" with it.

--
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Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

Make More Money with Less Work
Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
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"Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]" <spiderwebwoman@mvps.org> wrote in
message news:#OGt0rdtEHA.904@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> IMHO, you'd be better off using the meta name="description" and meta
> name="keywords" tags.
>
>
> --
>
> ~ Kathleen Anderson
> Microsoft FrontPage MVP
> Spider Web Woman Designs
> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
>
>
>
> guy <wildfiction@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > What about making the text size (font) very small but not hidden?
> >
> > "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)"
> > <NOVIAGRAwebmaster@siriussystems.com> wrote in message
> > news:eoohy0WtEHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > page stuffing (invisible text) for search engines may get you a
> > penalty on some search engines.
> >
> >
> > "guy" <wildfiction@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:OUY%23fqWtEHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in
> >> detail what the web page is for search engines but i've just read
> >> that hidden text on pages is not a good idea for search engines. Is
> >> this right?
> >>
> >> I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures
> >> and so the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the
> >> figures in the tables.
>

At one point in time, search engines were penalizing for hidden text or text
the same color as the page background.

It could be they no longer even recognize it.

--
===
Tom "Pepper" Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
---
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===
"Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage" <Leeds@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:OI1s4detEHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| in your opinion, how "bad" is it to do this? I also put some hidden text
| (in a div marked display: none strictly to make the google adsense
| advertisements more relevant.
|
| but I don't want to "shoot myself in the foot" with it.
|
| --
| Chris Leeds,
| Microsoft MVP-FrontPage
|
| Make More Money with Less Work
| Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
| http://contentseed.com/
| --
| "Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]" <spiderwebwoman@mvps.org> wrote in
| message news:#OGt0rdtEHA.904@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
| > IMHO, you'd be better off using the meta name="description" and meta
| > name="keywords" tags.
| >
| >
| > --
| >
| > ~ Kathleen Anderson
| > Microsoft FrontPage MVP
| > Spider Web Woman Designs
| > http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
| >
| >
| >
| > guy <wildfiction@hotmail.com> wrote:
| > > What about making the text size (font) very small but not hidden?
| > >
| > > "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)"
| > > <NOVIAGRAwebmaster@siriussystems.com> wrote in message
| > > news:eoohy0WtEHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| > > page stuffing (invisible text) for search engines may get you a
| > > penalty on some search engines.
| > >
| > >
| > > "guy" <wildfiction@hotmail.com> wrote in message
| > > news:OUY%23fqWtEHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
| > >> I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in
| > >> detail what the web page is for search engines but i've just read
| > >> that hidden text on pages is not a good idea for search engines. Is
| > >> this right?
| > >>
| > >> I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures
| > >> and so the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the
| > >> figures in the tables.
| >
|
|

I think it's generally a bad approach. If I were an aggressive competitor
struggling with you for a higher ranking, and I looked at your code and saw
that, I'd report you to the SE.

--
Murray

"Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage" <Leeds@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:OI1s4detEHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> in your opinion, how "bad" is it to do this? I also put some hidden text
> (in a div marked display: none strictly to make the google adsense
> advertisements more relevant.
>
> but I don't want to "shoot myself in the foot" with it.
>
> --
> Chris Leeds,
> Microsoft MVP-FrontPage
>
> Make More Money with Less Work
> Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
> http://contentseed.com/
> --
> "Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]" <spiderwebwoman@mvps.org> wrote in
> message news:#OGt0rdtEHA.904@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
>> IMHO, you'd be better off using the meta name="description" and meta
>> name="keywords" tags.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> ~ Kathleen Anderson
>> Microsoft FrontPage MVP
>> Spider Web Woman Designs
>> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
>>
>>
>>
>> guy <wildfiction@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > What about making the text size (font) very small but not hidden?
>> >
>> > "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)"
>> > <NOVIAGRAwebmaster@siriussystems.com> wrote in message
>> > news:eoohy0WtEHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> > page stuffing (invisible text) for search engines may get you a
>> > penalty on some search engines.
>> >
>> >
>> > "guy" <wildfiction@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:OUY%23fqWtEHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> >> I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in
>> >> detail what the web page is for search engines but i've just read
>> >> that hidden text on pages is not a good idea for search engines. Is
>> >> this right?
>> >>
>> >> I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures
>> >> and so the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the
>> >> figures in the tables.
>>
>
>

that's too bad, the ironic thing is that I'm not doing it to "spoof" the
search engines, but to "guide" adsense!

urrgh. I guess it's back to the drawing board on that aspect. worked real
good too!

--
Chris Leeds,
Microsoft MVP-FrontPage

Make More Money with Less Work
Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
http://contentseed.com/
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"Murray" <forums@HAHAgreat-web-sights.com> wrote in message
news:ufjklxetEHA.1464@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> I think it's generally a bad approach. If I were an aggressive competitor
> struggling with you for a higher ranking, and I looked at your code and
saw
> that, I'd report you to the SE.
>
> --
> Murray
>
> "Chris Leeds, MVP-FrontPage" <Leeds@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:OI1s4detEHA.1328@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > in your opinion, how "bad" is it to do this? I also put some hidden
text
> > (in a div marked display: none strictly to make the google adsense
> > advertisements more relevant.
> >
> > but I don't want to "shoot myself in the foot" with it.
> >
> > --
> > Chris Leeds,
> > Microsoft MVP-FrontPage
> >
> > Make More Money with Less Work
> > Let Your Clients Control Their Content With Just A Browser!
> > http://contentseed.com/
> > --
> > "Kathleen Anderson [MVP - FrontPage]" <spiderwebwoman@mvps.org> wrote in
> > message news:#OGt0rdtEHA.904@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> IMHO, you'd be better off using the meta name="description" and meta
> >> name="keywords" tags.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> ~ Kathleen Anderson
> >> Microsoft FrontPage MVP
> >> Spider Web Woman Designs
> >> http://www.spiderwebwoman.com/resources/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> guy <wildfiction@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> > What about making the text size (font) very small but not hidden?
> >> >
> >> > "Rob Giordano (aka: Crash Gordon®)"
> >> > <NOVIAGRAwebmaster@siriussystems.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:eoohy0WtEHA.4044@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> > page stuffing (invisible text) for search engines may get you a
> >> > penalty on some search engines.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "guy" <wildfiction@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:OUY%23fqWtEHA.624@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >> >> I have some hidden text at the top of my page that describers in
> >> >> detail what the web page is for search engines but i've just read
> >> >> that hidden text on pages is not a good idea for search engines. Is
> >> >> this right?
> >> >>
> >> >> I originally put it there because the pages have tables of figures
> >> >> and so the brief in the search engine results didn't describe the
> >> >> figures in the tables.
> >>
> >
> >
>
>