Hello All

I hope this will not be deemed to be inappropriate use of these newsgroups,
but here goes ...

Some of you will know that I have asked for, and received, a great deal of
help over the weeks/months(/years!) from the MVPs and others on these
newsgroups. I am consistently amazed by the fact that such high quality,
often quite in-depth help is made available to people like me by people like
.... you all. Not only do us amateurs nearly always get specific answers to
our current problems (well - our access-related problems anyway!), but the
help we get often goes further in educating us how to use the specific
answer in more general situations. I've even got to the point where I have
felt able to suggest some answers to others' questions (albeit only where
the questioner is evidently even more inexperienced that I am!). Rarely in
life have I come across anything that is so useful, and valuable (in terms
of the degree of expertise that is offered), and free! So on behalf of all
of us questioners, I'd like to raise a glass of nice, warm English beer, and
say "Cheers" - you are all great!

Just felt I had to say that.
Leslie Isaacs

"Leslie Isaacs" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hello All
>
> I hope this will not be deemed to be inappropriate use of these
> newsgroups, but here goes ...
>
>

Well I help when I can and I have also recieved help so I can say both
"thanks" and "hear hear".

Keith.
www.keithwilby.co.uk

My sentiments exactly! Except for the warm beer. I need to offer an
icy, cold one along with a bombastic American, "You ROCK!" type kinda
thing.



On Sep 16, 3:56*am, "Leslie Isaacs" <les...@gppayroll.org.uk> wrote:
> Hello All
>
> I hope this will not be deemed to be inappropriate use of these newsgroups,
> but here goes ...
>
> Some of you will know that I have asked for, and received, a great deal of
> help over the weeks/months(/years!) from the MVPs and others on these
> newsgroups. I am consistently amazed by the fact that such high quality,
> often quite in-depth help is made available to people like me by people like
> ... you all. Not only do us amateurs nearly always get specific answers to
> our current problems (well - our access-related problems anyway!), but the
> help we get often goes further in educating us how to use the specific
> answer in more general situations. I've even got to the point where I have
> felt able to suggest some answers to others' questions (albeit only where
> the questioner is evidently even more inexperienced that I am!). Rarely in
> life have I come across anything that is so useful, and valuable (in terms
> of the degree of expertise that is offered), and free! So on behalf of all
> of us questioners, I'd like to raise a glass of nice, warm English beer, and
> say "Cheers" - you are all great!
>
> Just felt I had to say that.
> Leslie Isaacs

Thanks for your kind words. As an MVP for the last 9 years and a helper here
for half dozen years before that, I can say that the experience is quite
rewarding for us as well. I've watched and helped folks rise from newbies,
to in 1 case a member of the Access team at Microsoft. It is especially
rewarding when we see folks like yourself answering questions for others.
Keep up the good work, and thanks again. You made my day.
--
Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
http://www.datastrat.com
http://www.mvps.org/access
http://www.accessmvp.com


"Leslie Isaacs" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hello All
>
> I hope this will not be deemed to be inappropriate use of these
> newsgroups, but here goes ...
>
> Some of you will know that I have asked for, and received, a great deal of
> help over the weeks/months(/years!) from the MVPs and others on these
> newsgroups. I am consistently amazed by the fact that such high quality,
> often quite in-depth help is made available to people like me by people
> like ... you all. Not only do us amateurs nearly always get specific
> answers to our current problems (well - our access-related problems
> anyway!), but the help we get often goes further in educating us how to
> use the specific answer in more general situations. I've even got to the
> point where I have felt able to suggest some answers to others' questions
> (albeit only where the questioner is evidently even more inexperienced
> that I am!). Rarely in life have I come across anything that is so useful,
> and valuable (in terms of the degree of expertise that is offered), and
> free! So on behalf of all of us questioners, I'd like to raise a glass of
> nice, warm English beer, and say "Cheers" - you are all great!
>
> Just felt I had to say that.
> Leslie Isaacs
>
>

We all appreciate your kind remarks.
I as well have been more the beneficiary of the these groups. I began
coming here because I needed guidance. Over time, I found I could also
provide some answers.

Sometimes, I would have to do some research because I wasn't sure my
solution was correct. In doing so, I not only helped someone, I learned
something. The old saying "There is no better way to learn than to teach."
has proven true for me.

Keep asking, keep answering. Best to you.
--
Dave Hargis, Microsoft Access MVP


"Leslie Isaacs" wrote:

> Hello All
>
> I hope this will not be deemed to be inappropriate use of these newsgroups,
> but here goes ...
>
> Some of you will know that I have asked for, and received, a great deal of
> help over the weeks/months(/years!) from the MVPs and others on these
> newsgroups. I am consistently amazed by the fact that such high quality,
> often quite in-depth help is made available to people like me by people like
> .... you all. Not only do us amateurs nearly always get specific answers to
> our current problems (well - our access-related problems anyway!), but the
> help we get often goes further in educating us how to use the specific
> answer in more general situations. I've even got to the point where I have
> felt able to suggest some answers to others' questions (albeit only where
> the questioner is evidently even more inexperienced that I am!). Rarely in
> life have I come across anything that is so useful, and valuable (in terms
> of the degree of expertise that is offered), and free! So on behalf of all
> of us questioners, I'd like to raise a glass of nice, warm English beer, and
> say "Cheers" - you are all great!
>
> Just felt I had to say that.
> Leslie Isaacs
>
>
>

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:56:55 +0100, "Leslie Isaacs" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>Hello All
>
>I hope this will not be deemed to be inappropriate use of these newsgroups,
>but here goes ...
>
>Some of you will know that I have asked for, and received, a great deal of
>help over the weeks/months(/years!) from the MVPs and others on these
>newsgroups. I am consistently amazed by the fact that such high quality,
>often quite in-depth help is made available to people like me by people like
>... you all. Not only do us amateurs nearly always get specific answers to
>our current problems (well - our access-related problems anyway!), but the
>help we get often goes further in educating us how to use the specific
>answer in more general situations. I've even got to the point where I have
>felt able to suggest some answers to others' questions (albeit only where
>the questioner is evidently even more inexperienced that I am!). Rarely in
>life have I come across anything that is so useful, and valuable (in terms
>of the degree of expertise that is offered), and free! So on behalf of all
>of us questioners, I'd like to raise a glass of nice, warm English beer, and
>say "Cheers" - you are all great!
>
>Just felt I had to say that.
>Leslie Isaacs
>

Thanks for the kind words, Leslie. I just have to agree with Arvin and Dave...
and to warn you, "felt able to suggest some answers" is an early warning
symptom of incipient MVP-itis!

--

John W. Vinson [MVP]

> "felt able to suggest some answers" is an early warning
> symptom of incipient MVP-itis!

I still have some issues with this one... it's difficult sometimes to keep
your mouth shut if you're not 100% sure of what you're saying.

Sometimes, even, you think you know what you're saying, later to find out
that you really don't!

It definately is fulfulling to give back, but be careful, or at least try to
include disclaimers ("I'm not sure I know what I'm talking about here, but
maybe....")


--
Jack Leach
www.tristatemachine.com

"I haven't failed, I've found ten thousand ways that don't work."
-Thomas Edison (1847-1931)



"John W. Vinson" wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:56:55 +0100, "Leslie Isaacs" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
> >Hello All
> >
> >I hope this will not be deemed to be inappropriate use of these newsgroups,
> >but here goes ...
> >
> >Some of you will know that I have asked for, and received, a great deal of
> >help over the weeks/months(/years!) from the MVPs and others on these
> >newsgroups. I am consistently amazed by the fact that such high quality,
> >often quite in-depth help is made available to people like me by people like
> >... you all. Not only do us amateurs nearly always get specific answers to
> >our current problems (well - our access-related problems anyway!), but the
> >help we get often goes further in educating us how to use the specific
> >answer in more general situations. I've even got to the point where I have
> >felt able to suggest some answers to others' questions (albeit only where
> >the questioner is evidently even more inexperienced that I am!). Rarely in
> >life have I come across anything that is so useful, and valuable (in terms
> >of the degree of expertise that is offered), and free! So on behalf of all
> >of us questioners, I'd like to raise a glass of nice, warm English beer, and
> >say "Cheers" - you are all great!
> >
> >Just felt I had to say that.
> >Leslie Isaacs
> >
>
> Thanks for the kind words, Leslie. I just have to agree with Arvin and Dave...
> and to warn you, "felt able to suggest some answers" is an early warning
> symptom of incipient MVP-itis!
>
> --
>
> John W. Vinson [MVP]
>

Thanks to Leslie for the kind words, and a "disclaimer" for Jack ...

As in many situations, there may not be "one (and only one) right answer"
.... stay flexible!

Regards

Jeff Boyce
Microsoft Office/Access MVP

"Jack Leach" <dymondjack at hot mail dot com> wrote in message
news:0B904FD4-7353-4FE7-82A4-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> "felt able to suggest some answers" is an early warning
>> symptom of incipient MVP-itis!
>
> I still have some issues with this one... it's difficult sometimes to keep
> your mouth shut if you're not 100% sure of what you're saying.
>
> Sometimes, even, you think you know what you're saying, later to find out
> that you really don't!
>
> It definately is fulfulling to give back, but be careful, or at least try
> to
> include disclaimers ("I'm not sure I know what I'm talking about here, but
> maybe....")
>
>
> --
> Jack Leach
> www.tristatemachine.com
>
> "I haven't failed, I've found ten thousand ways that don't work."
> -Thomas Edison (1847-1931)
>
>
>
> "John W. Vinson" wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:56:55 +0100, "Leslie Isaacs"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Hello All
>> >
>> >I hope this will not be deemed to be inappropriate use of these
>> >newsgroups,
>> >but here goes ...
>> >
>> >Some of you will know that I have asked for, and received, a great deal
>> >of
>> >help over the weeks/months(/years!) from the MVPs and others on these
>> >newsgroups. I am consistently amazed by the fact that such high quality,
>> >often quite in-depth help is made available to people like me by people
>> >like
>> >... you all. Not only do us amateurs nearly always get specific answers
>> >to
>> >our current problems (well - our access-related problems anyway!), but
>> >the
>> >help we get often goes further in educating us how to use the specific
>> >answer in more general situations. I've even got to the point where I
>> >have
>> >felt able to suggest some answers to others' questions (albeit only
>> >where
>> >the questioner is evidently even more inexperienced that I am!). Rarely
>> >in
>> >life have I come across anything that is so useful, and valuable (in
>> >terms
>> >of the degree of expertise that is offered), and free! So on behalf of
>> >all
>> >of us questioners, I'd like to raise a glass of nice, warm English beer,
>> >and
>> >say "Cheers" - you are all great!
>> >
>> >Just felt I had to say that.
>> >Leslie Isaacs
>> >
>>
>> Thanks for the kind words, Leslie. I just have to agree with Arvin and
>> Dave...
>> and to warn you, "felt able to suggest some answers" is an early warning
>> symptom of incipient MVP-itis!
>>
>> --
>>
>> John W. Vinson [MVP]
>>

We all try to guess what the OP is looking for. Sometimes we miss by miles,
sometimes by a few inches, and once in a while we're right on target. That's
the beauty of a newsgroup. If you see that you can add something, do it.

When I type code directly into the newsreader, I usually preface the code
with (untested) or (aircode). Any mistyping typically shows up in the IDE.
Or someone may spot the error and point it out. We are all friends here, and
everything is helpful. If you have a day where your forehead is flat from
all the head slapping, we'll still love you <smile>
--
Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
http://www.datastrat.com
http://www.mvps.org/access
http://www.accessmvp.com


"Jack Leach" <dymondjack at hot mail dot com> wrote in message
news:0B904FD4-7353-4FE7-82A4-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> "felt able to suggest some answers" is an early warning
>> symptom of incipient MVP-itis!
>
> I still have some issues with this one... it's difficult sometimes to keep
> your mouth shut if you're not 100% sure of what you're saying.
>
> Sometimes, even, you think you know what you're saying, later to find out
> that you really don't!
>
> It definately is fulfulling to give back, but be careful, or at least try
> to
> include disclaimers ("I'm not sure I know what I'm talking about here, but
> maybe....")
>
>
> --
> Jack Leach
> www.tristatemachine.com
>
> "I haven't failed, I've found ten thousand ways that don't work."
> -Thomas Edison (1847-1931)
>
>
>
> "John W. Vinson" wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:56:55 +0100, "Leslie Isaacs"
>> <(E-Mail Removed)>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Hello All
>> >
>> >I hope this will not be deemed to be inappropriate use of these
>> >newsgroups,
>> >but here goes ...
>> >
>> >Some of you will know that I have asked for, and received, a great deal
>> >of
>> >help over the weeks/months(/years!) from the MVPs and others on these
>> >newsgroups. I am consistently amazed by the fact that such high quality,
>> >often quite in-depth help is made available to people like me by people
>> >like
>> >... you all. Not only do us amateurs nearly always get specific answers
>> >to
>> >our current problems (well - our access-related problems anyway!), but
>> >the
>> >help we get often goes further in educating us how to use the specific
>> >answer in more general situations. I've even got to the point where I
>> >have
>> >felt able to suggest some answers to others' questions (albeit only
>> >where
>> >the questioner is evidently even more inexperienced that I am!). Rarely
>> >in
>> >life have I come across anything that is so useful, and valuable (in
>> >terms
>> >of the degree of expertise that is offered), and free! So on behalf of
>> >all
>> >of us questioners, I'd like to raise a glass of nice, warm English beer,
>> >and
>> >say "Cheers" - you are all great!
>> >
>> >Just felt I had to say that.
>> >Leslie Isaacs
>> >
>>
>> Thanks for the kind words, Leslie. I just have to agree with Arvin and
>> Dave...
>> and to warn you, "felt able to suggest some answers" is an early warning
>> symptom of incipient MVP-itis!
>>
>> --
>>
>> John W. Vinson [MVP]
>>

If you think you know the answer, go ahead and post.

If you are offbase, you will get corrected in almost every case. And in
almost every case, the correction will come politely.

Even if you do know the answer, there are times when you don't explain clearly
or make an error in the message that will cause the poster problems. Guess
what, the poster can post back and explain that your solution failed (and
hopefully tell you what that means). Then you get a second chance to help or
someone else will step in.

John Spencer
Access MVP 2002-2005, 2007-2009
The Hilltop Institute
University of Maryland Baltimore County

Jack Leach wrote:
>> "felt able to suggest some answers" is an early warning
>> symptom of incipient MVP-itis!
>
> I still have some issues with this one... it's difficult sometimes to keep
> your mouth shut if you're not 100% sure of what you're saying.
>
> Sometimes, even, you think you know what you're saying, later to find out
> that you really don't!
>
> It definately is fulfulling to give back, but be careful, or at least try to
> include disclaimers ("I'm not sure I know what I'm talking about here, but
> maybe....")
>
>