In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> I need to get a new desktop machine, and I'm planning on getting a card
> to support RAID mirroring in case of a disk crash. My wife has a 6 month
> old Dell that she bought with some brand of card & 2 drives, but Dell
> didn't install the card. We discovered that the first thing the card
> wants to do is reformat your primary drive, which is absurd. We sent it
> back and got a card from Promise. It took a few tech support calls to
> get it installed & working properly. Even now, it wants to go to the
> setup menu every time you boot.

> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good RAID card? I'd like to get
> one that is reliable, and won't trash the primary (or remaining good)
> drive if something crashes. I've read too many horror stories of RAID
> systems that do stuff like reformatting the good drive when a bad drive
> is replaced & other such nonsense.

> I'll be using this with XP Pro, so Vista isn't an issue.

> Thanks!

> Doug White

Stay away from Adaptec. 3ware has a good reputation, but
the cards are not cheap. Also Linux software RAID is very
reliable, but not applicable in your case.

Arno

In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> I need to get a new desktop machine, and I'm planning on getting a card
>> to support RAID mirroring in case of a disk crash. My wife has a 6 month
>> old Dell that she bought with some brand of card & 2 drives, but Dell
>> didn't install the card. We discovered that the first thing the card
>> wants to do is reformat your primary drive, which is absurd. We sent it
>> back and got a card from Promise. It took a few tech support calls to
>> get it installed & working properly. Even now, it wants to go to the
>> setup menu every time you boot.
>
>> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good RAID card? I'd like to get
>> one that is reliable, and won't trash the primary (or remaining good)
>> drive if something crashes. I've read too many horror stories of RAID
>> systems that do stuff like reformatting the good drive when a bad drive
>> is replaced & other such nonsense.
>
>> I'll be using this with XP Pro, so Vista isn't an issue.
>
>> Thanks!
>
>> Doug White
>
> Stay away from Adaptec. 3ware has a good reputation, but

can you name a single problem with an adaptec 2420SA?

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>> I need to get a new desktop machine, and I'm planning on getting a card
>>> to support RAID mirroring in case of a disk crash. My wife has a 6 month
>>> old Dell that she bought with some brand of card & 2 drives, but Dell
>>> didn't install the card. We discovered that the first thing the card
>>> wants to do is reformat your primary drive, which is absurd. We sent it
>>> back and got a card from Promise. It took a few tech support calls to
>>> get it installed & working properly. Even now, it wants to go to the
>>> setup menu every time you boot.
>>
>>> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good RAID card? I'd like to get
>>> one that is reliable, and won't trash the primary (or remaining good)
>>> drive if something crashes. I've read too many horror stories of RAID
>>> systems that do stuff like reformatting the good drive when a bad drive
>>> is replaced & other such nonsense.
>>
>>> I'll be using this with XP Pro, so Vista isn't an issue.
>>
>>> Thanks!
>>
>>> Doug White
>>
>> Stay away from Adaptec. 3ware has a good reputation, but

> can you name a single problem with an adaptec 2420SA?

I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional
commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation.
Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support
despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support.

Expensive trash.

Arno

In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>> I need to get a new desktop machine, and I'm planning on getting a card
>>>> to support RAID mirroring in case of a disk crash. My wife has a 6 month
>>>> old Dell that she bought with some brand of card & 2 drives, but Dell
>>>> didn't install the card. We discovered that the first thing the card
>>>> wants to do is reformat your primary drive, which is absurd. We sent it
>>>> back and got a card from Promise. It took a few tech support calls to
>>>> get it installed & working properly. Even now, it wants to go to the
>>>> setup menu every time you boot.
>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good RAID card? I'd like to get
>>>> one that is reliable, and won't trash the primary (or remaining good)
>>>> drive if something crashes. I've read too many horror stories of RAID
>>>> systems that do stuff like reformatting the good drive when a bad drive
>>>> is replaced & other such nonsense.
>>>
>>>> I'll be using this with XP Pro, so Vista isn't an issue.
>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>> Doug White
>>>
>>> Stay away from Adaptec. 3ware has a good reputation, but
>
>> can you name a single problem with an adaptec 2420SA?
>
> I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional
> commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation.
> Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support
> despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support.
>
> Expensive trash.
>
> Arno

never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken
arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system.

what firmware versions are you running?

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>> I need to get a new desktop machine, and I'm planning on getting a card
>>>>> to support RAID mirroring in case of a disk crash. My wife has a 6 month
>>>>> old Dell that she bought with some brand of card & 2 drives, but Dell
>>>>> didn't install the card. We discovered that the first thing the card
>>>>> wants to do is reformat your primary drive, which is absurd. We sent it
>>>>> back and got a card from Promise. It took a few tech support calls to
>>>>> get it installed & working properly. Even now, it wants to go to the
>>>>> setup menu every time you boot.
>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good RAID card? I'd like to get
>>>>> one that is reliable, and won't trash the primary (or remaining good)
>>>>> drive if something crashes. I've read too many horror stories of RAID
>>>>> systems that do stuff like reformatting the good drive when a bad drive
>>>>> is replaced & other such nonsense.
>>>>
>>>>> I'll be using this with XP Pro, so Vista isn't an issue.
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>> Doug White
>>>>
>>>> Stay away from Adaptec. 3ware has a good reputation, but
>>
>>> can you name a single problem with an adaptec 2420SA?
>>
>> I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional
>> commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation.
>> Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support
>> despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support.
>>
>> Expensive trash.
>>
>> Arno

> never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken
> arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system.

> what firmware versions are you running?

As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running,
it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years
ago.

Arno

In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>>> I need to get a new desktop machine, and I'm planning on getting a card
>>>>>> to support RAID mirroring in case of a disk crash. My wife has a 6 month
>>>>>> old Dell that she bought with some brand of card & 2 drives, but Dell
>>>>>> didn't install the card. We discovered that the first thing the card
>>>>>> wants to do is reformat your primary drive, which is absurd. We sent it
>>>>>> back and got a card from Promise. It took a few tech support calls to
>>>>>> get it installed & working properly. Even now, it wants to go to the
>>>>>> setup menu every time you boot.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good RAID card? I'd like to get
>>>>>> one that is reliable, and won't trash the primary (or remaining good)
>>>>>> drive if something crashes. I've read too many horror stories of RAID
>>>>>> systems that do stuff like reformatting the good drive when a bad drive
>>>>>> is replaced & other such nonsense.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll be using this with XP Pro, so Vista isn't an issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Doug White
>>>>>
>>>>> Stay away from Adaptec. 3ware has a good reputation, but
>>>
>>>> can you name a single problem with an adaptec 2420SA?
>>>
>>> I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional
>>> commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation.
>>> Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support
>>> despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support.
>>>
>>> Expensive trash.
>>>
>>> Arno
>
>> never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken
>> arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system.
>
>> what firmware versions are you running?
>
> As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running,
> it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years
> ago.

This card didn't even exist 4 years ago.

> I can't speak for their RAID cards, but the SCSI card in my old desktop
> was flaky from day one. After numerous tech support equiries, driver &
> firmware updates, it still bluescreens my computer occasionally.
>
> I will never buy another Adaptec product.

I run the Adaptec SCSI card (160MB/s, the one with Windows driver "adpu160m")
for 8 years or so. No issues.

--
Maxim Shatskih, Windows DDK MVP
StorageCraft Corporation
(E-Mail Removed)
http://www.storagecraft.com

In comp.arch.storage Franc Zabkar <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:41:36 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
> <(E-Mail Removed)> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
>>In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>>>> I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional
>>>>> commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation.
>>>>> Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support
>>>>> despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support.
>>>>>
>>>>> Expensive trash.
>>>>>
>>>>> Arno
>>>
>>>> never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken
>>>> arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system.
>>>
>>>> what firmware versions are you running?
>>>
>>> As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running,
>>> it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years
>>> ago.
>>
>>This card didn't even exist 4 years ago.
>
> Product Reviews - Hard disks - Adaptec Serial ATA RAID 2410SA:
> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/50553...id-2410sa.html

a 2420sa isn't a 2410sa, kind of like how 3 isn't equal to 7

In comp.arch.storage Doug White <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Keywords:
> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <(E-Mail Removed)>
>> wrote:
>>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>> I need to get a new desktop machine, and I'm planning on getting a card
>>>>> to support RAID mirroring in case of a disk crash. My wife has a 6 month
>>>>> old Dell that she bought with some brand of card & 2 drives, but Dell
>>>>> didn't install the card. We discovered that the first thing the card
>>>>> wants to do is reformat your primary drive, which is absurd. We sent it
>>>>> back and got a card from Promise. It took a few tech support calls to
>>>>> get it installed & working properly. Even now, it wants to go to the
>>>>> setup menu every time you boot.
>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good RAID card? I'd like to get
>>>>> one that is reliable, and won't trash the primary (or remaining good)
>>>>> drive if something crashes. I've read too many horror stories of RAID
>>>>> systems that do stuff like reformatting the good drive when a bad drive
>>>>> is replaced & other such nonsense.
>>>>
>>>>> I'll be using this with XP Pro, so Vista isn't an issue.
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>> Doug White
>>>>
>>>> Stay away from Adaptec. 3ware has a good reputation, but
>>
>>> can you name a single problem with an adaptec 2420SA?
>>
>>I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional
>>commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation.
>>Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support
>>despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support.
>>
>>Expensive trash.
>
> I can't speak for their RAID cards, but the SCSI card in my old desktop
> was flaky from day one. After numerous tech support equiries, driver &
> firmware updates, it still bluescreens my computer occasionally.

why didn't you replace it then?

"look my computer is broken. I don't do anything about it though!"

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cydrome Leader <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>> In comp.arch.storage Arno Wagner <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Doug White <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>>>> I need to get a new desktop machine, and I'm planning on getting a card
>>>>>>> to support RAID mirroring in case of a disk crash. My wife has a 6 month
>>>>>>> old Dell that she bought with some brand of card & 2 drives, but Dell
>>>>>>> didn't install the card. We discovered that the first thing the card
>>>>>>> wants to do is reformat your primary drive, which is absurd. We sent it
>>>>>>> back and got a card from Promise. It took a few tech support calls to
>>>>>>> get it installed & working properly. Even now, it wants to go to the
>>>>>>> setup menu every time you boot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone have a recommendation for a good RAID card? I'd like to get
>>>>>>> one that is reliable, and won't trash the primary (or remaining good)
>>>>>>> drive if something crashes. I've read too many horror stories of RAID
>>>>>>> systems that do stuff like reformatting the good drive when a bad drive
>>>>>>> is replaced & other such nonsense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll be using this with XP Pro, so Vista isn't an issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doug White
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stay away from Adaptec. 3ware has a good reputation, but
>>>>
>>>>> can you name a single problem with an adaptec 2420SA?
>>>>
>>>> I can name you a lot with the 2410SA. Non-functional
>>>> commandline-interface that does not allow any automatisation.
>>>> Keeps dropping drives. Takes forever to resync. No SMART support
>>>> despite claims to the contrary. Incompetent technical support.
>>>>
>>>> Expensive trash.
>>>>
>>>> Arno
>>
>>> never had a drive drop or resync problems, and i've intentionally broken
>>> arrays by yanking out the sata cables on a live system.
>>
>>> what firmware versions are you running?
>>
>> As this thing was unusable and I had to get the storage running,
>> it has been disposed of by now, I expect. I bought it 4 years
>> ago.

> This card didn't even exist 4 years ago.

Maybe it was 3 years. I diod nto invest a lot of time into it after
I had to rip it out of the server because it did not work well.

Arno