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DL
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      24th Apr 2007
It does if you wish to use the existing mirror, what you are suggesting
requires another hd, and then moving data from the existing hd to the new
array, and is based on the assumption that the existing C drive is of
sufficient capacity. Unless of course you are suggesting two seperate arrays
Me thinks you were indulging in speed reading of the origonal post

"Gary Chanson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> That doesn't make any difference.
>
> --
>
> - Gary Chanson (Windows SDK MVP)
> - Abolish Public Schools
>
>
>
> "DL" <address@invalid> wrote in message
> news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > He *allready* has a mirror configured for his data, which has been in

use
> > for some time, the o/s is currently installed on a seperate drive
> >
> > "Gary Chanson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:%239%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > What? The mirror will not show up as a separate drive.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > - Gary Chanson (Windows SDK MVP)
> > > - Abolish Public Schools
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "DL" <address@invalid> wrote in message
> > > news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > He is allready using a mirror for his data drives, and has the o/s

and
> > > Apps
> > > > on a seperate drive(s)
> > > > Therefore he would appear to have C: (o/s) D (cd) E (mirror) at the

> very
> > > > least.
> > > >
> > > > "Gary Chanson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > I disagree. I see no reason for a complete reinstall.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > - Gary Chanson (Windows SDK MVP)
> > > > > - Abolish Public Schools
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "DL" <address@invalid> wrote in message
> > > > > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > To add to Gary's post.
> > > > > > I dont believe it would be wise to use the current array and add

> the
> > > o/s
> > > > > to
> > > > > > it, for the reasons I mentioned earlier.
> > > > > > If this was me I would, having ensured I had multiple backups of

> the
> > > > data,
> > > > > > and the raid drivers available on floppy. Disconnect all hd's
> > > excepting
> > > > > the
> > > > > > raid drives, then clean install win2k - you need to F6 early in

> the
> > > > > process
> > > > > > to install the raid drivers from floppy.
> > > > > > Then build the array - the raid driver will have some utility

for
> > > this,
> > > > > that
> > > > > > you access early in the boot up process.
> > > > > > Then continue with win2k updates, installing Apps and data.
> > > > > > The old hd's can then be reconnected and used for whatever

> purpose,
> > > > after
> > > > > > deleting/creating partitions
> > > > > > (depending on the raid controler it might be possible to use a

> third
> > > hd
> > > > as
> > > > > a
> > > > > > fail safe hot swap within the array.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Rob T" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:12DCCB5E-AF31-4EC5-9CEB-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > > I'm still confused. Yes, he does, in fact, have a hardware

raid
> > > > > > controller.
> > > > > > > Does that mean that I CAN do what he wants. Are you saying

that
> > > what
> > > > I
> > > > > > read
> > > > > > > in the Data Management Help was regarding SOFTWARE RAID? I

had
> no
> > > > > > intention
> > > > > > > of using software raid. We want to use the RAID controller,

so
> > does
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > mean that the RAID array can be drive C: with the OS et al

> > included
> > > on
> > > > > it?
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Rob Taylor
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "DL" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Perhaps hes using a mobo or card with a raid controler?
> > > > > > > > If that is the case then unless you start from scratch,

clean
> > > > install,
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > mirror etc, you are likely going to get the o/s drive as E

or
> > > > similar.
> > > > > > > > Software raid, as used by win, and many low end raid cards

is
> > not
> > > a
> > > > > > > > reccomended route for raid in any case.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Rob T" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:74C9FF01-0D2B-4508-B1F0-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > > > > I have a customer who is using a raid 1 array for only

data.
> > He
> > > > > wants
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > include the OS and applications in the raid array for

> optimum
> > > > fault
> > > > > > > > > tolerance. My problem is that I'm getting conflicting
> > > information
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > W2K Disk Management Help. It tells me, on the one hand,

how
> > to
> > > > > > upgrade a
> > > > > > > > > basic disk to dynamic, install the OS then mirror the

drive
> > > (i.e.
> > > > > > subj:
> > > > > > > > > "Limitations of dynamic disks and dynamic volumes" and
> > > "Additional
> > > > > > > > > information about upgrading a basic disk to a dynamic

> disk".)
> > > OK
> > > > so
> > > > > > far.
> > > > > > > > > Then in the subj": "To create a mirrored volume" there's a

> > note
> > > > that
> > > > > > says
> > > > > > > > > this can only be done in Windows 2000 Server.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Can someone unconfuse me, Please?
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Rob Taylor
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



 
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Gary Chanson
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      24th Apr 2007
We've obviously interpreted that post differently. I'm assuming that
he's going to add another hard drive to the system. There's no other way of
accomplishing what he wants to do. He used the word adding and there's no
way to use the existing hardware to mirror both drives. There's no reason
to assume that the drives are even the same size.

--

- Gary Chanson (Windows SDK MVP)
- Abolish Public Schools



"DL" <address@invalid> wrote in message
news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> It does if you wish to use the existing mirror, what you are suggesting
> requires another hd, and then moving data from the existing hd to the new
> array, and is based on the assumption that the existing C drive is of
> sufficient capacity. Unless of course you are suggesting two seperate

arrays
> Me thinks you were indulging in speed reading of the origonal post
>
> "Gary Chanson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > That doesn't make any difference.
> >
> > --
> >
> > - Gary Chanson (Windows SDK MVP)
> > - Abolish Public Schools
> >
> >
> >
> > "DL" <address@invalid> wrote in message
> > news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > He *allready* has a mirror configured for his data, which has been in

> use
> > > for some time, the o/s is currently installed on a seperate drive
> > >
> > > "Gary Chanson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:%239%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > What? The mirror will not show up as a separate drive.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > - Gary Chanson (Windows SDK MVP)
> > > > - Abolish Public Schools
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "DL" <address@invalid> wrote in message
> > > > news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > He is allready using a mirror for his data drives, and has the o/s

> and
> > > > Apps
> > > > > on a seperate drive(s)
> > > > > Therefore he would appear to have C: (o/s) D (cd) E (mirror) at

the
> > very
> > > > > least.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Gary Chanson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > I disagree. I see no reason for a complete reinstall.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Gary Chanson (Windows SDK MVP)
> > > > > > - Abolish Public Schools
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "DL" <address@invalid> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > > To add to Gary's post.
> > > > > > > I dont believe it would be wise to use the current array and

add
> > the
> > > > o/s
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > it, for the reasons I mentioned earlier.
> > > > > > > If this was me I would, having ensured I had multiple backups

of
> > the
> > > > > data,
> > > > > > > and the raid drivers available on floppy. Disconnect all hd's
> > > > excepting
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > raid drives, then clean install win2k - you need to F6 early

in
> > the
> > > > > > process
> > > > > > > to install the raid drivers from floppy.
> > > > > > > Then build the array - the raid driver will have some utility

> for
> > > > this,
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > you access early in the boot up process.
> > > > > > > Then continue with win2k updates, installing Apps and data.
> > > > > > > The old hd's can then be reconnected and used for whatever

> > purpose,
> > > > > after
> > > > > > > deleting/creating partitions
> > > > > > > (depending on the raid controler it might be possible to use a

> > third
> > > > hd
> > > > > as
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > fail safe hot swap within the array.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Rob T" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:12DCCB5E-AF31-4EC5-9CEB-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > > > I'm still confused. Yes, he does, in fact, have a hardware

> raid
> > > > > > > controller.
> > > > > > > > Does that mean that I CAN do what he wants. Are you saying

> that
> > > > what
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > read
> > > > > > > > in the Data Management Help was regarding SOFTWARE RAID? I

> had
> > no
> > > > > > > intention
> > > > > > > > of using software raid. We want to use the RAID controller,

> so
> > > does
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > mean that the RAID array can be drive C: with the OS et al
> > > included
> > > > on
> > > > > > it?
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Rob Taylor
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "DL" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Perhaps hes using a mobo or card with a raid controler?
> > > > > > > > > If that is the case then unless you start from scratch,

> clean
> > > > > install,
> > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > mirror etc, you are likely going to get the o/s drive as E

> or
> > > > > similar.
> > > > > > > > > Software raid, as used by win, and many low end raid cards

> is
> > > not
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > reccomended route for raid in any case.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Rob T" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:74C9FF01-0D2B-4508-B1F0-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > > > > > I have a customer who is using a raid 1 array for only

> data.
> > > He
> > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > include the OS and applications in the raid array for

> > optimum
> > > > > fault
> > > > > > > > > > tolerance. My problem is that I'm getting conflicting
> > > > information
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > W2K Disk Management Help. It tells me, on the one hand,

> how
> > > to
> > > > > > > upgrade a
> > > > > > > > > > basic disk to dynamic, install the OS then mirror the

> drive
> > > > (i.e.
> > > > > > > subj:
> > > > > > > > > > "Limitations of dynamic disks and dynamic volumes" and
> > > > "Additional
> > > > > > > > > > information about upgrading a basic disk to a dynamic

> > disk".)
> > > > OK
> > > > > so
> > > > > > > far.
> > > > > > > > > > Then in the subj": "To create a mirrored volume" there's

a
> > > note
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > says
> > > > > > > > > > this can only be done in Windows 2000 Server.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Can someone unconfuse me, Please?
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Rob Taylor
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



 
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DL
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      24th Apr 2007
"who is using a raid 1 array for only data. He wants to
include the OS and applications in the raid array for optimum fault"

When I read the above I make the assumtion C is o/s & Apps, D cd and E the
existing data array

Whilst he could break the array and use one of the drives to build the array
with C, he would then have to copy data from the old 'array' drive to C
And as you say thats assuming drives are of sufficient, and hopefully same
size.

"Gary Chanson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> We've obviously interpreted that post differently. I'm assuming that
> he's going to add another hard drive to the system. There's no other way

of
> accomplishing what he wants to do. He used the word adding and there's no
> way to use the existing hardware to mirror both drives. There's no reason
> to assume that the drives are even the same size.
>
> --
>
> - Gary Chanson (Windows SDK MVP)
> - Abolish Public Schools
>
>
>
> "DL" <address@invalid> wrote in message
> news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > It does if you wish to use the existing mirror, what you are suggesting
> > requires another hd, and then moving data from the existing hd to the

new
> > array, and is based on the assumption that the existing C drive is of
> > sufficient capacity. Unless of course you are suggesting two seperate

> arrays
> > Me thinks you were indulging in speed reading of the origonal post
> >
> > "Gary Chanson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > That doesn't make any difference.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > - Gary Chanson (Windows SDK MVP)
> > > - Abolish Public Schools
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "DL" <address@invalid> wrote in message
> > > news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > He *allready* has a mirror configured for his data, which has been

in
> > use
> > > > for some time, the o/s is currently installed on a seperate drive
> > > >
> > > > "Gary Chanson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > news:%239%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > What? The mirror will not show up as a separate drive.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > - Gary Chanson (Windows SDK MVP)
> > > > > - Abolish Public Schools
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "DL" <address@invalid> wrote in message
> > > > > news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > He is allready using a mirror for his data drives, and has the

o/s
> > and
> > > > > Apps
> > > > > > on a seperate drive(s)
> > > > > > Therefore he would appear to have C: (o/s) D (cd) E (mirror) at

> the
> > > very
> > > > > > least.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Gary Chanson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > > I disagree. I see no reason for a complete reinstall.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Gary Chanson (Windows SDK MVP)
> > > > > > > - Abolish Public Schools
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "DL" <address@invalid> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > > > To add to Gary's post.
> > > > > > > > I dont believe it would be wise to use the current array and

> add
> > > the
> > > > > o/s
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > it, for the reasons I mentioned earlier.
> > > > > > > > If this was me I would, having ensured I had multiple

backups
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > data,
> > > > > > > > and the raid drivers available on floppy. Disconnect all

hd's
> > > > > excepting
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > raid drives, then clean install win2k - you need to F6 early

> in
> > > the
> > > > > > > process
> > > > > > > > to install the raid drivers from floppy.
> > > > > > > > Then build the array - the raid driver will have some

utility
> > for
> > > > > this,
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > you access early in the boot up process.
> > > > > > > > Then continue with win2k updates, installing Apps and data.
> > > > > > > > The old hd's can then be reconnected and used for whatever
> > > purpose,
> > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > deleting/creating partitions
> > > > > > > > (depending on the raid controler it might be possible to use

a
> > > third
> > > > > hd
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > fail safe hot swap within the array.)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Rob T" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:12DCCB5E-AF31-4EC5-9CEB-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > > > > I'm still confused. Yes, he does, in fact, have a

hardware
> > raid
> > > > > > > > controller.
> > > > > > > > > Does that mean that I CAN do what he wants. Are you

saying
> > that
> > > > > what
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > read
> > > > > > > > > in the Data Management Help was regarding SOFTWARE RAID?

I
> > had
> > > no
> > > > > > > > intention
> > > > > > > > > of using software raid. We want to use the RAID

controller,
> > so
> > > > does
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > mean that the RAID array can be drive C: with the OS et al
> > > > included
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > it?
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Rob Taylor
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "DL" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Perhaps hes using a mobo or card with a raid controler?
> > > > > > > > > > If that is the case then unless you start from scratch,

> > clean
> > > > > > install,
> > > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > > mirror etc, you are likely going to get the o/s drive as

E
> > or
> > > > > > similar.
> > > > > > > > > > Software raid, as used by win, and many low end raid

cards
> > is
> > > > not
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > reccomended route for raid in any case.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Rob T" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in

message
> > > > > > > > > >

news:74C9FF01-0D2B-4508-B1F0-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > > > > > > I have a customer who is using a raid 1 array for only

> > data.
> > > > He
> > > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > include the OS and applications in the raid array for
> > > optimum
> > > > > > fault
> > > > > > > > > > > tolerance. My problem is that I'm getting conflicting
> > > > > information
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > W2K Disk Management Help. It tells me, on the one

hand,
> > how
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > upgrade a
> > > > > > > > > > > basic disk to dynamic, install the OS then mirror the

> > drive
> > > > > (i.e.
> > > > > > > > subj:
> > > > > > > > > > > "Limitations of dynamic disks and dynamic volumes" and
> > > > > "Additional
> > > > > > > > > > > information about upgrading a basic disk to a dynamic
> > > disk".)
> > > > > OK
> > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > far.
> > > > > > > > > > > Then in the subj": "To create a mirrored volume"

there's
> a
> > > > note
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > says
> > > > > > > > > > > this can only be done in Windows 2000 Server.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Can someone unconfuse me, Please?
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > Rob Taylor
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



 
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Gary Chanson
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      24th Apr 2007

"DL" <address@invalid> wrote in message
news:#(E-Mail Removed)...
> "who is using a raid 1 array for only data. He wants to
> include the OS and applications in the raid array for optimum fault"
>
> When I read the above I make the assumtion C is o/s & Apps, D cd and E the
> existing data array
>
> Whilst he could break the array and use one of the drives to build the

array
> with C, he would then have to copy data from the old 'array' drive to C
> And as you say thats assuming drives are of sufficient, and hopefully same
> size.


That's quite a leap from what was actually stated...

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- Gary Chanson (Windows SDK MVP)
- Abolish Public Schools




 
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DL
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      24th Apr 2007
> > "who is using a raid 1 array for only data. He wants to
> > include the OS and applications in the raid array for optimum fault"
> >
> > When I read the above I make the assumtion C is o/s & Apps, D cd and E

the
> > existing data array
> >


Where's the leap?


 
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DL
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      26th Apr 2007
I wonder if you are still following?

"Rob T" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:12DCCB5E-AF31-4EC5-9CEB-(E-Mail Removed)...
> I'm still confused. Yes, he does, in fact, have a hardware raid

controller.
> Does that mean that I CAN do what he wants. Are you saying that what I

read
> in the Data Management Help was regarding SOFTWARE RAID? I had no

intention
> of using software raid. We want to use the RAID controller, so does that
> mean that the RAID array can be drive C: with the OS et al included on it?
> --
> Rob Taylor
>
>
> "DL" wrote:
>
> > Perhaps hes using a mobo or card with a raid controler?
> > If that is the case then unless you start from scratch, clean install,

new
> > mirror etc, you are likely going to get the o/s drive as E or similar.
> > Software raid, as used by win, and many low end raid cards is not a
> > reccomended route for raid in any case.
> >
> > "Rob T" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:74C9FF01-0D2B-4508-B1F0-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > I have a customer who is using a raid 1 array for only data. He wants

to
> > > include the OS and applications in the raid array for optimum fault
> > > tolerance. My problem is that I'm getting conflicting information

from
> > the
> > > W2K Disk Management Help. It tells me, on the one hand, how to

upgrade a
> > > basic disk to dynamic, install the OS then mirror the drive (i.e.

subj:
> > > "Limitations of dynamic disks and dynamic volumes" and "Additional
> > > information about upgrading a basic disk to a dynamic disk".) OK so

far.
> > > Then in the subj": "To create a mirrored volume" there's a note that

says
> > > this can only be done in Windows 2000 Server.
> > >
> > > Can someone unconfuse me, Please?
> > > --
> > > Rob Taylor

> >
> >
> >



 
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