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Craig Barraclough
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      27th Oct 2008
Hello,
we are trying to configure our Ricoh network printers to use duplexing by
default. We have configured the printing preferences on the printer on the
print server, however we users add the printer to their local machine, either
via browsing AD or using \\printerserver those duplex settings are not
configured.

I'm not sure why this is happening, can anyone help?

cheers

Craig


 
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Alan Morris [MSFT]
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      28th Oct 2008
Yes common issue

You will need to set Printing Defaults on the Advanced Tab of the printer
properties.

Print Preferences is a per user setting.

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Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

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"Craig Barraclough" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:5DB2E604-F666-437A-98C6-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hello,
> we are trying to configure our Ricoh network printers to use duplexing by
> default. We have configured the printing preferences on the printer on the
> print server, however we users add the printer to their local machine,
> either
> via browsing AD or using \\printerserver those duplex settings are not
> configured.
>
> I'm not sure why this is happening, can anyone help?
>
> cheers
>
> Craig
>
>



 
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Craig Barraclough
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      29th Oct 2008
It still didn't work on my machine, however my machine is Vista, should that
make a difference?

"Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

> Yes common issue
>
> You will need to set Printing Defaults on the Advanced Tab of the printer
> properties.
>
> Print Preferences is a per user setting.
>
> --
> Alan Morris
> Windows Printing Team
> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
> "Craig Barraclough" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message news:5DB2E604-F666-437A-98C6-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hello,
> > we are trying to configure our Ricoh network printers to use duplexing by
> > default. We have configured the printing preferences on the printer on the
> > print server, however we users add the printer to their local machine,
> > either
> > via browsing AD or using \\printerserver those duplex settings are not
> > configured.
> >
> > I'm not sure why this is happening, can anyone help?
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >

>
>
>

 
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Alan Morris [MSFT]
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      29th Oct 2008
If you opened the local UI then the per user devmode was set .

either set your user devmode the way you wish or delete the connection and
add it back to pickup the default printer devmode.



--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Craig Barraclough" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:4C92486E-5C19-4344-BC7C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> It still didn't work on my machine, however my machine is Vista, should
> that
> make a difference?
>
> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
>
>> Yes common issue
>>
>> You will need to set Printing Defaults on the Advanced Tab of the printer
>> properties.
>>
>> Print Preferences is a per user setting.
>>
>> --
>> Alan Morris
>> Windows Printing Team
>> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>>
>> "Craig Barraclough" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> message news:5DB2E604-F666-437A-98C6-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > Hello,
>> > we are trying to configure our Ricoh network printers to use duplexing
>> > by
>> > default. We have configured the printing preferences on the printer on
>> > the
>> > print server, however we users add the printer to their local machine,
>> > either
>> > via browsing AD or using \\printerserver those duplex settings are not
>> > configured.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure why this is happening, can anyone help?
>> >
>> > cheers
>> >
>> > Craig
>> >
>> >

>>
>>
>>



 
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Emmanuel
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      30th Oct 2008
Hi,

I have exactly the same problem. We have server 2008 print server with Ricoh
C3000 printer and vista clients. The printing preferences doesn't apply to
vista clients. Had deleted the printer from vista client and manually add the
printer using \\printserver and connect to it. Still the printing preferences
set from the server doesn't apply. I had set the preferences in advanced tab
> printing defaults and also in General Tab > Printing Preferences.


Please help.

Thanks.

"Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

> If you opened the local UI then the per user devmode was set .
>
> either set your user devmode the way you wish or delete the connection and
> add it back to pickup the default printer devmode.
>
>
>
> --
> Alan Morris
> Windows Printing Team
> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
> "Craig Barraclough" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message news:4C92486E-5C19-4344-BC7C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > It still didn't work on my machine, however my machine is Vista, should
> > that
> > make a difference?
> >
> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
> >
> >> Yes common issue
> >>
> >> You will need to set Printing Defaults on the Advanced Tab of the printer
> >> properties.
> >>
> >> Print Preferences is a per user setting.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alan Morris
> >> Windows Printing Team
> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
> >>
> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> rights.
> >>
> >> "Craig Barraclough" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> >> message news:5DB2E604-F666-437A-98C6-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > Hello,
> >> > we are trying to configure our Ricoh network printers to use duplexing
> >> > by
> >> > default. We have configured the printing preferences on the printer on
> >> > the
> >> > print server, however we users add the printer to their local machine,
> >> > either
> >> > via browsing AD or using \\printerserver those duplex settings are not
> >> > configured.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure why this is happening, can anyone help?
> >> >
> >> > cheers
> >> >
> >> > Craig
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>

>
>
>

 
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Craig Barraclough
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      31st Oct 2008
it's working on all machines except vista clients!

"Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

> If you opened the local UI then the per user devmode was set .
>
> either set your user devmode the way you wish or delete the connection and
> add it back to pickup the default printer devmode.
>
>
>
> --
> Alan Morris
> Windows Printing Team
> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
> "Craig Barraclough" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message news:4C92486E-5C19-4344-BC7C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > It still didn't work on my machine, however my machine is Vista, should
> > that
> > make a difference?
> >
> > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
> >
> >> Yes common issue
> >>
> >> You will need to set Printing Defaults on the Advanced Tab of the printer
> >> properties.
> >>
> >> Print Preferences is a per user setting.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alan Morris
> >> Windows Printing Team
> >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
> >>
> >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> rights.
> >>
> >> "Craig Barraclough" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> >> message news:5DB2E604-F666-437A-98C6-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > Hello,
> >> > we are trying to configure our Ricoh network printers to use duplexing
> >> > by
> >> > default. We have configured the printing preferences on the printer on
> >> > the
> >> > print server, however we users add the printer to their local machine,
> >> > either
> >> > via browsing AD or using \\printerserver those duplex settings are not
> >> > configured.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure why this is happening, can anyone help?
> >> >
> >> > cheers
> >> >
> >> > Craig
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>

>
>
>

 
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Emmanuel
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      6th Nov 2008
Hi,

That's right. It works with XP clients but not with vista clients. Can this
be a bug from windows? Does anyone had confirm this? I had simulated this
situation on my test lab as well and surprisingly get the same result.

Can someone from microsoft please advice?

Thanks,
Emmanuel

"Craig Barraclough" wrote:

> it's working on all machines except vista clients!
>
> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
>
> > If you opened the local UI then the per user devmode was set .
> >
> > either set your user devmode the way you wish or delete the connection and
> > add it back to pickup the default printer devmode.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Alan Morris
> > Windows Printing Team
> > Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> > http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
> >
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
> >
> > "Craig Barraclough" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> > message news:4C92486E-5C19-4344-BC7C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > It still didn't work on my machine, however my machine is Vista, should
> > > that
> > > make a difference?
> > >
> > > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
> > >
> > >> Yes common issue
> > >>
> > >> You will need to set Printing Defaults on the Advanced Tab of the printer
> > >> properties.
> > >>
> > >> Print Preferences is a per user setting.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Alan Morris
> > >> Windows Printing Team
> > >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
> > >>
> > >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> > >> rights.
> > >>
> > >> "Craig Barraclough" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> > >> message news:5DB2E604-F666-437A-98C6-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >> > Hello,
> > >> > we are trying to configure our Ricoh network printers to use duplexing
> > >> > by
> > >> > default. We have configured the printing preferences on the printer on
> > >> > the
> > >> > print server, however we users add the printer to their local machine,
> > >> > either
> > >> > via browsing AD or using \\printerserver those duplex settings are not
> > >> > configured.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'm not sure why this is happening, can anyone help?
> > >> >
> > >> > cheers
> > >> >
> > >> > Craig
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>

> >
> >
> >

 
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Alan Morris [MSFT]
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      6th Nov 2008
I was not able to reproduce the issue on a Vista SP1 client.

I'll assume the logged on user is not admin on the machine

On Vista client, create connection, right click printer, open printing
preferences, verify settings, delete connection

on Server change the Printing Defaults (Advanced printer properties) to the
settings you wish the client to have as their Printing Preferences. Close
dialog to save settings.

On Vista client, create connection to previous shared printer, right click
printer, open printing preferences, verify settings


I get the new preferences copied to my user settings.

Do you have any applications open when you delete the connection on the
client?



--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Emmanuel" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:7FC786F8-953A-4AD7-9542-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi,
>
> That's right. It works with XP clients but not with vista clients. Can
> this
> be a bug from windows? Does anyone had confirm this? I had simulated this
> situation on my test lab as well and surprisingly get the same result.
>
> Can someone from microsoft please advice?
>
> Thanks,
> Emmanuel
>
> "Craig Barraclough" wrote:
>
>> it's working on all machines except vista clients!
>>
>> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
>>
>> > If you opened the local UI then the per user devmode was set .
>> >
>> > either set your user devmode the way you wish or delete the connection
>> > and
>> > add it back to pickup the default printer devmode.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Alan Morris
>> > Windows Printing Team
>> > Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> > http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>> >
>> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> > rights.
>> >
>> > "Craig Barraclough" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
>> > in
>> > message news:4C92486E-5C19-4344-BC7C-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > > It still didn't work on my machine, however my machine is Vista,
>> > > should
>> > > that
>> > > make a difference?
>> > >
>> > > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Yes common issue
>> > >>
>> > >> You will need to set Printing Defaults on the Advanced Tab of the
>> > >> printer
>> > >> properties.
>> > >>
>> > >> Print Preferences is a per user setting.
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Alan Morris
>> > >> Windows Printing Team
>> > >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>> > >>
>> > >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> > >> rights.
>> > >>
>> > >> "Craig Barraclough" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>> > >> wrote in
>> > >> message news:5DB2E604-F666-437A-98C6-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > >> > Hello,
>> > >> > we are trying to configure our Ricoh network printers to use
>> > >> > duplexing
>> > >> > by
>> > >> > default. We have configured the printing preferences on the
>> > >> > printer on
>> > >> > the
>> > >> > print server, however we users add the printer to their local
>> > >> > machine,
>> > >> > either
>> > >> > via browsing AD or using \\printerserver those duplex settings are
>> > >> > not
>> > >> > configured.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I'm not sure why this is happening, can anyone help?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > cheers
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Craig
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> >



 
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Emmanuel
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      6th Nov 2008
Hi Alan,

Thanks for your reply. I've done the procedure you had outlined before many
times and even reboot the PC before creating the connection to the printer.
The result still the same. I've even deploy it through GPO via logon script
and it still the same. Like wise had tried as well to deploy it via GPO
through computer configuration > Policies > Windows Settings > Deployed
Printers and the prefered settings from the server still doesn't apply.

I have done this procedure using windows server 2003 as a print server with
XP & vista client and it works but not with windows server 2008 as a print
server. Is there a new special way of setting the print server in windows
server 2008 as compared to windows server 2003. I know this is pretty basic
but I might be doing something wrong on the server side that's why it doesn't
work.

Is there a tool or a logfile to check this problem that we had?

I greatly appreciate for your feedback.

Thanks,
Emmanuel

"Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:

> I was not able to reproduce the issue on a Vista SP1 client.
>
> I'll assume the logged on user is not admin on the machine
>
> On Vista client, create connection, right click printer, open printing
> preferences, verify settings, delete connection
>
> on Server change the Printing Defaults (Advanced printer properties) to the
> settings you wish the client to have as their Printing Preferences. Close
> dialog to save settings.
>
> On Vista client, create connection to previous shared printer, right click
> printer, open printing preferences, verify settings
>
>
> I get the new preferences copied to my user settings.
>
> Do you have any applications open when you delete the connection on the
> client?
>
>
>
> --
> Alan Morris
> Windows Printing Team
> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
>
> "Emmanuel" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:7FC786F8-953A-4AD7-9542-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hi,
> >
> > That's right. It works with XP clients but not with vista clients. Can
> > this
> > be a bug from windows? Does anyone had confirm this? I had simulated this
> > situation on my test lab as well and surprisingly get the same result.
> >
> > Can someone from microsoft please advice?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Emmanuel
> >
> > "Craig Barraclough" wrote:
> >
> >> it's working on all machines except vista clients!
> >>
> >> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
> >>
> >> > If you opened the local UI then the per user devmode was set .
> >> >
> >> > either set your user devmode the way you wish or delete the connection
> >> > and
> >> > add it back to pickup the default printer devmode.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Alan Morris
> >> > Windows Printing Team
> >> > Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
> >> >
> >> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> > rights.
> >> >
> >> > "Craig Barraclough" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote
> >> > in
> >> > message news:4C92486E-5C19-4344-BC7C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > > It still didn't work on my machine, however my machine is Vista,
> >> > > should
> >> > > that
> >> > > make a difference?
> >> > >
> >> > > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Yes common issue
> >> > >>
> >> > >> You will need to set Printing Defaults on the Advanced Tab of the
> >> > >> printer
> >> > >> properties.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Print Preferences is a per user setting.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> --
> >> > >> Alan Morris
> >> > >> Windows Printing Team
> >> > >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
> >> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
> >> > >>
> >> > >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
> >> > >> rights.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "Craig Barraclough" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> >> > >> wrote in
> >> > >> message news:5DB2E604-F666-437A-98C6-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > >> > Hello,
> >> > >> > we are trying to configure our Ricoh network printers to use
> >> > >> > duplexing
> >> > >> > by
> >> > >> > default. We have configured the printing preferences on the
> >> > >> > printer on
> >> > >> > the
> >> > >> > print server, however we users add the printer to their local
> >> > >> > machine,
> >> > >> > either
> >> > >> > via browsing AD or using \\printerserver those duplex settings are
> >> > >> > not
> >> > >> > configured.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I'm not sure why this is happening, can anyone help?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > cheers
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Craig
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >

>
>
>

 
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Alan Morris [MSFT]
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      7th Nov 2008
In Server 2008, use Print Management

Don't open the Printer Folders in Vista Ultimate and Server 2008 for local
printers

Right click the printer to configure
Select Set Printing Defaults...

--
Alan Morris
Windows Printing Team
Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Emmanuel" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:4700C170-7A80-4DCC-96CF-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi Alan,
>
> Thanks for your reply. I've done the procedure you had outlined before
> many
> times and even reboot the PC before creating the connection to the
> printer.
> The result still the same. I've even deploy it through GPO via logon
> script
> and it still the same. Like wise had tried as well to deploy it via GPO
> through computer configuration > Policies > Windows Settings > Deployed
> Printers and the prefered settings from the server still doesn't apply.
>
> I have done this procedure using windows server 2003 as a print server
> with
> XP & vista client and it works but not with windows server 2008 as a print
> server. Is there a new special way of setting the print server in windows
> server 2008 as compared to windows server 2003. I know this is pretty
> basic
> but I might be doing something wrong on the server side that's why it
> doesn't
> work.
>
> Is there a tool or a logfile to check this problem that we had?
>
> I greatly appreciate for your feedback.
>
> Thanks,
> Emmanuel
>
> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
>
>> I was not able to reproduce the issue on a Vista SP1 client.
>>
>> I'll assume the logged on user is not admin on the machine
>>
>> On Vista client, create connection, right click printer, open printing
>> preferences, verify settings, delete connection
>>
>> on Server change the Printing Defaults (Advanced printer properties) to
>> the
>> settings you wish the client to have as their Printing Preferences.
>> Close
>> dialog to save settings.
>>
>> On Vista client, create connection to previous shared printer, right
>> click
>> printer, open printing preferences, verify settings
>>
>>
>> I get the new preferences copied to my user settings.
>>
>> Do you have any applications open when you delete the connection on the
>> client?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alan Morris
>> Windows Printing Team
>> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>>
>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> rights.
>>
>> "Emmanuel" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:7FC786F8-953A-4AD7-9542-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > That's right. It works with XP clients but not with vista clients. Can
>> > this
>> > be a bug from windows? Does anyone had confirm this? I had simulated
>> > this
>> > situation on my test lab as well and surprisingly get the same result.
>> >
>> > Can someone from microsoft please advice?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Emmanuel
>> >
>> > "Craig Barraclough" wrote:
>> >
>> >> it's working on all machines except vista clients!
>> >>
>> >> "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > If you opened the local UI then the per user devmode was set .
>> >> >
>> >> > either set your user devmode the way you wish or delete the
>> >> > connection
>> >> > and
>> >> > add it back to pickup the default printer devmode.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Alan Morris
>> >> > Windows Printing Team
>> >> > Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>> >> >
>> >> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> >> > rights.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Craig Barraclough" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>> >> > wrote
>> >> > in
>> >> > message news:4C92486E-5C19-4344-BC7C-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> > > It still didn't work on my machine, however my machine is Vista,
>> >> > > should
>> >> > > that
>> >> > > make a difference?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "Alan Morris [MSFT]" wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >> Yes common issue
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> You will need to set Printing Defaults on the Advanced Tab of the
>> >> > >> printer
>> >> > >> properties.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Print Preferences is a per user setting.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> --
>> >> > >> Alan Morris
>> >> > >> Windows Printing Team
>> >> > >> Search the Microsoft Knowledge Base here:
>> >> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/search/?adv=1
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers
>> >> > >> no
>> >> > >> rights.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> "Craig Barraclough" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>> >> > >> wrote in
>> >> > >> message
>> >> > >> news:5DB2E604-F666-437A-98C6-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> > >> > Hello,
>> >> > >> > we are trying to configure our Ricoh network printers to use
>> >> > >> > duplexing
>> >> > >> > by
>> >> > >> > default. We have configured the printing preferences on the
>> >> > >> > printer on
>> >> > >> > the
>> >> > >> > print server, however we users add the printer to their local
>> >> > >> > machine,
>> >> > >> > either
>> >> > >> > via browsing AD or using \\printerserver those duplex settings
>> >> > >> > are
>> >> > >> > not
>> >> > >> > configured.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > I'm not sure why this is happening, can anyone help?
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > cheers
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Craig
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >

>>
>>
>>



 
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