I read and post to newsgroups daily.

Sometimes I subscribe to a variety of different newsgroups and post in
different newsgroups.

Sometimes in sci.math, sometimes in programming related, sometimes in sports
related, sometimes move on to another nntp server, for example, Micorsoft
News server to ask techinical questions... , etc.

Is there a software can collect what I have post and what other people
replied and present them in front me in an efficient and uniform way, and
with new replies arrival pop-up/notification feature?

Currently I am using Outlook Express. It is not convinient at all.

I post on different groups. Then I have to go back and click on each groups
to see if there are replies to my postings... And a lot of times they don't
get reply. And maybe after 15 days they got reply. I tend to forgot myself.
And some newsgroups are so hot that my postings got washed away in half a
day... then I have to scroll down many message headers to find my own
postings... and a lot of times such searching takes much time. Then I reply
to other people's replies and they reply too and then such tedious procedure
repeats.

If some discussion is meaningful. We'd like to save. But Outlook Express
does not save conversations in a nice-looking way. Maybe I want to save as
PDF. But the layout should be neat and easy to read.

Outlook Express also does not have auto-filling feature. So specify a list
of newsgroups to post is also painful.

Google groups web-based newsreader is a lot better. But still has
shortcomings. The worst shortcoming is it does not allow subscription to MS
newsservers.

Please recommend a good newsreader, thank you so much!

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:23:18 -0700, networm wrote:

>I read and post to newsgroups daily.
>
>Sometimes I subscribe to a variety of different newsgroups and post in
>different newsgroups.
>
>Sometimes in sci.math, sometimes in programming related, sometimes in sports
>related, sometimes move on to another nntp server, for example, Micorsoft
>News server to ask techinical questions... , etc.
>
>Is there a software can collect what I have post and what other people
>replied and present them in front me in an efficient and uniform way, and
>with new replies arrival pop-up/notification feature?
>
>Currently I am using Outlook Express. It is not convinient at all.
<snip>

I use "Forte Agent 3.1/32.783" which I find excellent, but it is not
free.
If you visit the newsgroup: news.software.readers you will find that
many people are using a free news reader known as:
"40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1" which is also rated very well.

I suggest you have a look in there and you will find plenty of people
able to make recommendations or provide help.
--

Ian

"Ian Anderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
<snip>
> If you visit the newsgroup: news.software.readers you will find that
> many people are using a free news reader known as:
> "40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1" which is also rated very well.

Geez, is 40tude's Dialog ever going to get out of beta status? From
http://www.40tude.com/dialog/history.htm, "Release history and changes", and
NONE of which list release dates:

Version 2.0.15.1 (Beta 38)
Version 2.0.14.1 (Beta 37)
Version 2.0.13.1 (Beta 36)
Version 2.0.12.1 (Beta 35)
Version 2.0.11.1 (Beta 34)
Version 2.0.10.1 (Beta 33)
Version 2.0.9.1 (Beta 32)
Version 2.0.8.1 (Beta 31)
Version 2.0.7.1 (Beta 30)
Version 2.0.6.1 (Beta 29)
Version 2.0.5.1 (Beta 28)
Version 2.0.4.1 (Beta 27)
Beta 26: This version never saw the public
Version 2.0.3.1 (Beta 25)
Version 2.0.2.1 (Beta 24)
Version 2.0.1.1 (Beta 23)

And where is a NON-BETA version? That is, where is a *stable* version of
this program? Not all users want to be beta testers whether voluntary or
involuntary. From the massive list of fixes in each version, the author
doesn't understand the concept of "beta" versus "alpha". Merely changing
the hundredths digit in the version number does NOT qualify a version as a
beta version.

Also, the link to the "North American" download mirror is dead. The German
mirror seems to be up. I see the author managed to submit his "40tude HTML"
product to download.com. Wonder why his "40tude Dialog" (the newsreader to
which you referred) is not also there.

As for Forte Agent, have they yet supported regular expressions in rules or
to use in scoring (so you could use a rule to automatically exercise against
posts)? Last time I checked, the only place you could use regular
expressions (to test on any header) were in searches. You had to save the
search and then later manually select the saved search, manually exercise
the saved search, manually select the posts found by that saved search, and
then manually select the action to commit against those manually selected
posts. Pretty worthless for filtering posts as opposed to using regular
expressions in rules or scoring (which rules can test to decide at what
score level to commit an action against a post). It took them how many
years before finally supporting multiple servers? Before you had to define
multiple config files and use a shortcut with command-line switches to
specify which config file to use to open multiple instances of Agent to
access multiple servers. I hear in the newest major version that they
finally got around to supporting multiple servers. Since their product only
runs on Windows, it would be nice if they would update their GUI to look
something newer than a product designed to run way back on Windows 386.
Maybe they decided to remove the screenshots of their clunky GUI from their
web site because it was pushing off prospective users, so I can't say if the
newest 3.0 version has a better GUI.

I trialed Thunderbird but it sucks as bad as OE; i.e., its rule set is as
bad, or worse, than OE's. I have trialed Gravity, XanaNews, Xnews,
Newsrover, Newsbin but it's difficult to say which one is for you. Best bet
is to try them and see which one you like for ease of use, intelligible help
and intuitive GUI, and if they have a feature set that meets your need for
potent control. Xnews looked good because I liked its regular expressions
feature with scoring, but found bugs in its GUI and is past its prime, plus
I've heard that it bloats in memory consumption and freezes for NNTP servers
with long retention (i.e., they have LOTS of posts), and, alas, the author
abandoned the newsreader (no updates in over 2 years).

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"Vanguard (NPI)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> "Ian Anderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> <snip>
>> If you visit the newsgroup: news.software.readers you will find that
>> many people are using a free news reader known as:
>> "40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1" which is also rated very well.
>
> Geez, is 40tude's Dialog ever going to get out of beta status? From
> http://www.40tude.com/dialog/history.htm, "Release history and changes",
> and NONE of which list release dates:
>
> Version 2.0.15.1 (Beta 38)
> Version 2.0.14.1 (Beta 37)
> Version 2.0.13.1 (Beta 36)
> Version 2.0.12.1 (Beta 35)
> Version 2.0.11.1 (Beta 34)
> Version 2.0.10.1 (Beta 33)
> Version 2.0.9.1 (Beta 32)
> Version 2.0.8.1 (Beta 31)
> Version 2.0.7.1 (Beta 30)
> Version 2.0.6.1 (Beta 29)
> Version 2.0.5.1 (Beta 28)
> Version 2.0.4.1 (Beta 27)
> Beta 26: This version never saw the public
> Version 2.0.3.1 (Beta 25)
> Version 2.0.2.1 (Beta 24)
> Version 2.0.1.1 (Beta 23)
>
> And where is a NON-BETA version? That is, where is a *stable* version of
> this program? Not all users want to be beta testers whether voluntary or
> involuntary. From the massive list of fixes in each version, the author
> doesn't understand the concept of "beta" versus "alpha". Merely changing
> the hundredths digit in the version number does NOT qualify a version as a
> beta version.
>
> Also, the link to the "North American" download mirror is dead. The
> German mirror seems to be up. I see the author managed to submit his
> "40tude HTML" product to download.com. Wonder why his "40tude Dialog"
> (the newsreader to which you referred) is not also there.
>
> As for Forte Agent, have they yet supported regular expressions in rules
> or to use in scoring (so you could use a rule to automatically exercise
> against posts)? Last time I checked, the only place you could use regular
> expressions (to test on any header) were in searches. You had to save the
> search and then later manually select the saved search, manually exercise
> the saved search, manually select the posts found by that saved search,
> and then manually select the action to commit against those manually
> selected posts. Pretty worthless for filtering posts as opposed to using
> regular expressions in rules or scoring (which rules can test to decide at
> what score level to commit an action against a post). It took them how
> many years before finally supporting multiple servers? Before you had to
> define multiple config files and use a shortcut with command-line switches
> to specify which config file to use to open multiple instances of Agent to
> access multiple servers. I hear in the newest major version that they
> finally got around to supporting multiple servers. Since their product
> only runs on Windows, it would be nice if they would update their GUI to
> look something newer than a product designed to run way back on Windows
> 386. Maybe they decided to remove the screenshots of their clunky GUI from
> their web site because it was pushing off prospective users, so I can't
> say if the newest 3.0 version has a better GUI.
>
> I trialed Thunderbird but it sucks as bad as OE; i.e., its rule set is as
> bad, or worse, than OE's. I have trialed Gravity, XanaNews, Xnews,
> Newsrover, Newsbin but it's difficult to say which one is for you. Best
> bet is to try them and see which one you like for ease of use,
> intelligible help and intuitive GUI, and if they have a feature set that
> meets your need for potent control. Xnews looked good because I liked its
> regular expressions feature with scoring, but found bugs in its GUI and is
> past its prime, plus I've heard that it bloats in memory consumption and
> freezes for NNTP servers with long retention (i.e., they have LOTS of
> posts), and, alas, the author abandoned the newsreader (no updates in over
> 2 years).
>
> --
> __________________________________________________
> E-mail: Remove "NIX" and add "#LAH" to Subject.
> __________________________________________________
>

Hi Vanguard,

Looks you have really a lot expieriences in newsreaders...

but I don't care about GUI, I just want a newsreader that can collect back
my posts and present in a integrated place so that I can find my posts
easily and see other people replies easily, instead of scroll down to search
.... on multiple newgroups...

Any more thoughts?

"Ian Anderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:23:18 -0700, networm wrote:
>
>>I read and post to newsgroups daily.
>>
>>Sometimes I subscribe to a variety of different newsgroups and post in
>>different newsgroups.
>>
>>Sometimes in sci.math, sometimes in programming related, sometimes in
>>sports
>>related, sometimes move on to another nntp server, for example, Micorsoft
>>News server to ask techinical questions... , etc.
>>
>>Is there a software can collect what I have post and what other people
>>replied and present them in front me in an efficient and uniform way, and
>>with new replies arrival pop-up/notification feature?
>>
>>Currently I am using Outlook Express. It is not convinient at all.
> <snip>
>
> I use "Forte Agent 3.1/32.783" which I find excellent, but it is not
> free.
> If you visit the newsgroup: news.software.readers you will find that
> many people are using a free news reader known as:
> "40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1" which is also rated very well.
>
> I suggest you have a look in there and you will find plenty of people
> able to make recommendations or provide help.
> --
>
> Ian


thanks a lot IanQ

On Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:33:13 -0500, Vanguard (NPI) wrote:

>"Ian Anderson" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
><snip>
>> If you visit the newsgroup: news.software.readers you will find that
>> many people are using a free news reader known as:
>> "40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1" which is also rated very well.
>
>Geez, is 40tude's Dialog ever going to get out of beta status? From
>http://www.40tude.com/dialog/history.htm, "Release history and changes", and
>NONE of which list release dates:
<snip>

You snipped where I wrote:
"I use "Forte Agent 3.1/32.783" which I find excellent, but it is not
free."

>I trialed Thunderbird but it sucks as bad as OE; i.e., its rule set is as
>bad, or worse, than OE's. I have trialed Gravity, XanaNews, Xnews,
>Newsrover, Newsbin but it's difficult to say which one is for you. Best bet
>is to try them and see which one you like for ease of use, intelligible help
>and intuitive GUI, and if they have a feature set that meets your need for
>potent control. Xnews looked good because I liked its regular expressions
>feature with scoring, but found bugs in its GUI and is past its prime, plus
>I've heard that it bloats in memory consumption and freezes for NNTP servers
>with long retention (i.e., they have LOTS of posts), and, alas, the author
>abandoned the newsreader (no updates in over 2 years).

Thunderbird & Gravity are slowly being developed by volunteers, XanaNews
is a one man show. Newsrover & Newsbin are probably more suitable for
binaries. Anyway you tried them but ditched them all and settled for
"Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180"?
Have you tried Forte Agent 3.1/32.783?

From the Forte web page: http://www.forteinc.com/news/
"Released 15-Sep-05. Bulletin. Forté releases Agent 3.1
We are now working on Agent 3.2 with support for multiple POP boxes..."
--

Ian

networm wrote:
> I read and post to newsgroups daily.
>
> Sometimes I subscribe to a variety of different newsgroups and post in
> different newsgroups.
>
> Sometimes in sci.math, sometimes in programming related, sometimes in sports
> related, sometimes move on to another nntp server, for example, Micorsoft
> News server to ask techinical questions... , etc.
>
> Is there a software can collect what I have post and what other people
> replied and present them in front me in an efficient and uniform way, and
> with new replies arrival pop-up/notification feature?
>
> Currently I am using Outlook Express. It is not convinient at all.
>
> I post on different groups. Then I have to go back and click on each groups
> to see if there are replies to my postings... And a lot of times they don't
> get reply. And maybe after 15 days they got reply. I tend to forgot myself.
> And some newsgroups are so hot that my postings got washed away in half a
> day... then I have to scroll down many message headers to find my own
> postings... and a lot of times such searching takes much time. Then I reply
> to other people's replies and they reply too and then such tedious procedure
> repeats.
>
> If some discussion is meaningful. We'd like to save. But Outlook Express
> does not save conversations in a nice-looking way. Maybe I want to save as
> PDF. But the layout should be neat and easy to read.
>
> Outlook Express also does not have auto-filling feature. So specify a list
> of newsgroups to post is also painful.
>
> Google groups web-based newsreader is a lot better. But still has
> shortcomings. The worst shortcoming is it does not allow subscription to MS
> newsservers.
>
> Please recommend a good newsreader, thank you so much!
>
>
>


I prefer Mozilla Thunderbird, myself.

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both at once. - RAH

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, networm8848
@yahoo.com says...
> I read and post to newsgroups daily.
>
> Sometimes I subscribe to a variety of different newsgroups and post in
> different newsgroups.
>
> Sometimes in sci.math, sometimes in programming related, sometimes in sports
> related, sometimes move on to another nntp server, for example, Micorsoft
> News server to ask techinical questions... , etc.
>
> Is there a software can collect what I have post and what other people
> replied and present them in front me in an efficient and uniform way, and
> with new replies arrival pop-up/notification feature?
>
> Currently I am using Outlook Express. It is not convinient at all.
>
> I post on different groups. Then I have to go back and click on each groups
> to see if there are replies to my postings... And a lot of times they don't
> get reply. And maybe after 15 days they got reply. I tend to forgot myself.
> And some newsgroups are so hot that my postings got washed away in half a
> day... then I have to scroll down many message headers to find my own
> postings... and a lot of times such searching takes much time. Then I reply
> to other people's replies and they reply too and then such tedious procedure
> repeats.
>
> If some discussion is meaningful. We'd like to save. But Outlook Express
> does not save conversations in a nice-looking way. Maybe I want to save as
> PDF. But the layout should be neat and easy to read.
>
> Outlook Express also does not have auto-filling feature. So specify a list
> of newsgroups to post is also painful.
>
> Google groups web-based newsreader is a lot better. But still has
> shortcomings. The worst shortcoming is it does not allow subscription to MS
> newsservers.
>
> Please recommend a good newsreader, thank you so much!

A simple to use, easy to manage Newsreader is Super Gravity, it's worked
for more than 8 years, still does all the proper newsgroup things and is
FREE now.

http://gravity.tbates.org/


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Bruce Chambers wrote:
>
> I prefer Mozilla Thunderbird, myself.

And you're using an out-of date version!

:-)

"Leythos" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, networm8848
> @yahoo.com says...
[snips]
>
> A simple to use, easy to manage Newsreader is Super Gravity, it's worked
> for more than 8 years, still does all the proper newsgroup things and is
> FREE now.

Gravity is certainly a great little newsreader. But the last time I tried
it, it shared a serious flaw with some of the other free newsreaders that
have been mentioned in this thread - you can't install it as Administrator
and then log in as a limited user and run it. It wants to write to its own
installation directory when it's run. Most people wouldn't notice, since
they run day-in-day-out with administrative or power-user privs, but that's
that just not acceptable to some of us.

Cheers,

Spooky
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