People v Caputo - Exhibit C - 12/05/01 - 2nd Valid "anadvocate" Complaint Mailed to Chris Caputo

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>Hi. I have warned the poster. If this forgery continues, please let
>us know.


Hello again, Mr. Caputo:

You asked me to let you know if the forgery continued. I am now letting
you know.

Below are full copies of SIX (6) ADDITIONAL FORGERIES committed since
last we spoke.

I've also included a full copy of his December 2, 2001 post:
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which was a forgery he sent BEFORE we spoke, one which I inadvertently
neglected to include in my prior correspondence to you. In it, your user
states in part his future intention of forging my name and real email
address in over 70 newsgroups:

"I feel it neccessary to expand the discussion to the
70 or so abw* groups available on altopia. I'll continue to
do this until Chris pulls the plug on me."


Mr. Caputo, please understand what is happening here. This individual
has made a conscious and willful effort to deceive and mislead. He has
impersonated me by deliberately using forged headers and identifying
information, and the correspondence I have received from you now, that
which I am replying to, places you on actual notice of this condition.
He continues posting through Altopia, using your servers to unlawfully
forge my name and my real email address.

I have been unable to prosecute him for mailbombing me because he used
open servers to transmit his attacks, but this isn't the case now, because
he doesn't care about using open servers anymore, instead he's using
Altopia Corporation servers to defame my name and post under my
real email address without my authorization. Despite your 'warning', he
continues to forge my real name and real address and continues to
knowingly cause me to receive unsolicited correspondence, in violation of
Title 19.190 RCW of the State of Washington which, together with
applicable provisions of the U.S. Code, prohibit this form of unlawful
communication from a computer located in the State of Washington when the
sender knows knows or has reason to know the communication is being sent
to Washington. Here, the burden of "reason to know" on behalf of this
Altopia abuser was satisfied by the placement of your physical address on
the web site of Altopia Corporation, which you have rightfully done;
therefore the liability of this individual is no longer in question, and
the damages are quite clear.

This is a serious matter, Mr. Caputo. It is electronic forgery, an
offense punishable under criminal statutes as well as civil in many states.
Mr. Caputo, I'm afraid a 'slap on the wrist' is just unacceptable. This
individual CONTINUES to engage in the behavior of forging my name and
real email address, even AFTER your 'warning'. And so I am respectfully
requesting, AGAIN, that you immediately terminate the account of this
person. He has received your warning and he has failed to comply. He has
completely disregarded your demands to stop, exactly as he has mine.

Mr. Caputo, I am very sorry for having to burden you with this, but I
have been distressed and harrassed for approximately three months by this
individual. The unwanted email I receive from him contains graphic and
explicit sexual content and profanity, and two letters contained threats
of physical violence. I have a home and a family. I have an 11-year-old
daughter and a 10-year-old son who both use my computer. I am afraid
that someday one of them will see these profane emails even though I keep
deleting them, because they arrive by the hundreds. These emails don't
relate to you because they were not sent through Altopia, but Mr. Caputo,
I am alerting you of them to make you understand a bit more clearly what
kind of person you're dealing with. I need to take some action to cause
him to stop, to show him that he cannot get away with anything he wants.

It is one thing to allow free speech, Mr. Caputo, but it is quite
another to allow machinery under your custody and control to act as a
conduit for criminals to forge one's name and real email address. I am
quite sure that if this abuser posted as (E-Mail Removed), and made posts
through Altopia pretending to be YOU, that you would not have reacted
with such a generous warning. A warning which he has disregarded anyway,
as you can see from the attachments annexed below.

This being the second advisory to you, and your subscriber CONTINUING to
engage in forgery of my name and real email address in complete and
utter disregard of your warnings, please let me know of your intentions.

Yours truly,

XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX <--------------------------- [NAME DELETED]




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:That was rejected.

:This is the discussion group. This is the appropriate location for discussion.
:ABWI was notified and followups were set. This is precisely the place for the
:discussion to be held, and no where else.

o you know who pays for http://www.warezfaq.org ?

:There is nothing criminal about the FAQ, or about reading it. No SPA/BSA
:subpoena could be obtained, either, regardless where it was hosted. Strawman.
:
:Where did you come from? Who are you? What is your standing? You appear out of
:the woodwork, with no background, no history, yet you presume to make
incorrect) assertions about the people working on the new WarezFAQ.

:And what "security" is needed to read a FAQ? Are you confusing it with kiddie
orn, perhaps? <eg>

:No, it's dealt with. Reasonable input is dealt with reasonably, unreasonable
:input is dealt with appropriately. The majority of usable suggestions have
been
:incorporated, so you lie yet again.

:The remainder of the post was mainly an hysterical rant, full of inaccuracies
:and misleading statements.

:Again, an outright lie. It was CAREFULLY posted in ABWI - which, since it is
the
:ABWI FAQ that is being crafted, is precisely where it should have been
:mentioned, not in alt.sex.babies, or any other of your "preferred groups." <s>

:Bye (again) <s>

:Again, it was.
:Liar liar pants on fire! <s>

:That was rejected by consensus long before then.
:
:There were no third, fourth, or eighteenth choices because only those two
points
f view had, up that point, been expressed and not rejected. Now we have a 9-0
:with 3 abstentions vote in favor of the new faq and the new direction. And all
:you have are sour grapes.

:Anyone asking you to chip in?
:No.
:Any proof at all for any of your absurd assertions?
:No.
:Any use anyone could possibly make of such information?
:No.
:What might that imaginary use be?---
:"Geeze your honor, that person was READING a document, for heaven's sake!"
:ROFL
:It's not kiddie porn, you know- or is it that you find that so hard to get out
f your mind? <s>

:Heard, and dismissed. You have no standing. You crawled out of the woodwork,
:never entered a word into the debate or discussion until after the vote was
:called.
:
:Who are you? <s>
:Where were you last week when we were discussing this? <s>
:What is your standing? <s>

:Posted to the only concerned groups, ABWI and ABWID. Any and all users of both
:could have input at any time. The ones who expressed interest "registered" to
:vote by that expression of interest. If you didn't "register" you don't vote.
:You have no kick coming on that, you sat on your hands until the vote on
:direction was called, then all of a sudden your keyboard got plugged-in. <s>
:
:The FAQ is being crafted here, feel free to offer any suggestions for
:inclusions, edits, etc. Post your handiwork, not simply snipes at the work of
thers. It will be a long and lengthy process, you will ample time to show us
:what you're made of. <s>

:You had no vote, you failed to register.

:Nope. Too late. That's off the table.

:See what that says? It says the ABWI FAQ, not the everybody's FAQ. Pretend
you
:understand that.

:Unclear, and contested definition.

:A lot of people disagree as to the best archiver-.

:Too technical for the person who needs to know what it is and how does he use
:it.

:Might be something there to use.

:Too much unnecessary info.

:Way too wordy.

:Just ripped from one program's site.

:Excess verbiage, has no place in the FAQ

:Yes it does predate it. So what? What "blatant error" The SanFranciso Verifier
:instead of Simple File Verifier? I've seen it both ways, but the first way I
saw
:it was San Francisco. Right now most people use QSFV and that's the
recommended
:application- there are at least two others that are also in use.
:
:In all that crap there was, perhaps, one sentence that contained useful
:information that might be included in the SFV section. We're not trying to see
:how many words we can write- just putting the necessary information there.
:Anything else, such as application documents on the web, we simply link to the
:application's site.

:There were 12 people who cared enough to express opinions, that interest
:constituted a "registration" to vote. Too bad you couldn't be bothered, then
it
:could be 9-1, instead of 9-0, eh?

:You have to register to vote.

:This "lame joke" already contains more useful information that the WarezFAQ on
:the web, and it's growing daily. You will see the emergence of a FAQ that will
:be the paradigm for FAQ's in the future, and you will not have been a part of
:it. And that will haunt you forever. <s>

:Whoa foolio!!!
:you *enter* that code as the serial #, nobody said anything about copy/pasting
:it into an ini, I copied it FROM my ini and it's a working code generator. Try
:it.

:Because she has been discussing this all along, ever since akula offered his
FAQ
:for our ONE chance to comment on it before he got it installed at
:http://www.warezfaq.org and you haven't.

:ABWI0 has always been redundant. It's sparsely carried, and has no reason to
:exist- it's content would be properly posted in ABWI.

:Here ya go, plenty to read. <s>

:Mj°lnÙr

100 or lines that boil down to say "because I say so and it'll stay
that way no matter what you or anyone else has to say"

3 kiddie porn insinuations/accusation you can't prove

all this from a self proclaimed troll who doesn't post and only helps
newbies when he thinks others are watching

Semper Fidelis isn't meant to apply to your own public image, hero




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: wrote:
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:[snip]
:>
:>Gypsy has pointed out to me that I have unfairly accused you of
:>patronising me. Please accept my appology.
:>
:Greetz Sarek ..
:
:Gladly accepted and I for my part will endeavor to speak more civilly
:in return <g>.
:
:>what parts of the following posts are unclear as to my meaning?
:>
:It isn't that your post's words were unclear. It was the assumptions
f wrongdoing or impropriety by the people in this group that I
:disagree with and which contributed to my earlier bristly tone.

my bad

I keep running into situations on usenet where "HEY ASSHOLE" gets more
attention than "excuse me, but" and the habit is ingrained by now

:The discussions in this group are ongoing - all those interested are
:invited. I would request that you look back through these threads.
:There were other concerns raised here, more perhaps than can be
:addressed by merely updating a few facts and broken links in the
:current warezfaq. Also there were ideas put forth that may in fact
ffer more than the current warezfaq allows.

welcome by you, yes

I've now been told to butt-out in no uncertain tems as well as accused
the second time today of things no one can prove true or false but do
mask whatever I have to say with knee-jerk responses

I have and it concerns me that no attempt was even made and any
suggestion of even trying is rejected out of hand

unless it's some bells & whistles that can only be done in HTML, I
fail to see why any ideas/additions can't be done in a text only
fashon and added to the FAQ

:IMO this group is the correct venue for this discussion. Notices have
:been posted to abwi & abw. And also I believe you've notified a group
r three yourself <g>. Thank you and please continue doing so. Any
:changes to the faq need to withstand comment for all those
:interested. AFAIC the more the merrier.

apparently most of what I posted fell victim to Cosmo Roadkills
spam-bot so I'll have to consider a change in tactics

some determination needs to be made as to whether this FAQ is
applicable to the entire abw* hirearchy or is specific to abwi alone

if abwi alone, then this declairing 0-day redundant is out of line
and certainly doesn't belong in any FAQ after all, much the same can
be said for all the w95 groups, abw, the ACAD group, the OS and NT
groups and PalmPilot group too

I see little merryment and what there is is at others expense how
this is ggoing to translate into a kinder gentler FAQ is going to be
something to see

:Not every question, no matter how welcomed, always has an immediate
:and satisfactory answer. The issues you raised regarding the website
:are being explored.

when a website can be shut down because 'it contributes to the
collection of illegal software' any site host that doesn't have a
proven commitmment to privacy is suspect and IMHO would roll over and
play dead given the legal preasures that can be brought to bear

and any newbie who can't figure out how to decompress a RAR archive is
unlikely to have any idea what a proxy is another reason why I prefer
the entire FAQ to be posted lenghty or not, complicated or not

I also have a problem wtih this nonconfrontational BS

if I read insructions and they say mount this motherboard using the
nylon fastners included and I use a sheet metal screw and the board
fails the smoke test first try, I have no one to blame bu t myself

IMHO trying to accomidate a FAQ to suit those who either don't
understand limits or those who don't care is really kind of insulting
to those who do and simply want the information they need to get and
try out the warez they want

why treat the majority like the minority who won't/don't care?

:[snip]
:>
:>I look forward to reading any reply/comments you might have this
:>evening
:
:I hope you enjoyed my reply <g> If I have my druthers all will have
:their say, all povs considered.

we'll see, I'm not one to continue beating my head against walls I
can go around or through

:G'day .. good luck.
:- --
: ledgerDeMain
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: in the spirit of cooperation
: read the faq -> www.warezfaq.org
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Subject: Re: Can someone please post Codewarrior for Palm OS?? PLEASE PLEASE
PLEASE
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have you tried asking for this in alt.binaries.warez.palmpilot?

lots of traffic, lots of apps and good helpful people



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:irks me a little. In Gravity, I was able to set it up so that if I
:move to a new header with a single click or down arrow, then the body
:was automatically opened. In Agent, it seems I have to either
:double-click, or use one of the toolbar buttons or a keyboard
:shortcut. Not a major difference, but if I find a few more

agent default safety feature, keeps you from accidentaly running
*.exe's you might not want to run, ie virii, trojans, other nasty
goodies

first time you don't accidentaly infect your machine, you'll discover
a new appreaciation for it

:Is it more common to post a request for a specific app, or to just
:hang around and see what gets posted, and take what you like?
:
an

make a request, hang around, it all works

like most of the rest of us, you'll probably finding yourself d/ling
everything in sight anyway

when you make a request, don't forget to check 0-day as well as abwi

the gods smiled at me there the other day and I picked up IDA Pro just
when I was developing a hankering for it
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anadvocate


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I heard a rumor that anadvocate has a dozen COTSE accnts and is giving
access to anyone who thinks they can rip into their customer db for
your info

btw, is the real Dr. Batty dead or just retired? were you an
outpatient of his or did he see you at the mental hospital?

now grind your teeth and sporge the hell out of the place
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anadvocate


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:>(E-Mail Removed) (Sarek)
:> Sat, 01 Dec 2001 12:06:11 GMT:
:>
:>
:>Top posting on/
:>
:>another in a long list of reasons to fold 0-day into abwi.
:>
:>From the group that hijacked .d a hilarious complaint of
:>heavy-handed tactics being used in a 100% open
:>discussion.
:>
:>sheesh
:>
:>and off/
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:Greetz AdÒn Etian ..
:
:Hm, top posting and jumping to conclusions should be avoided when
ossible <g>. I believe Sarek has posted this complaint to many
:groups and AFAIK has never participated in abwi0.
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:G'day .. good luck.
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: ledgerDeMain

at the risk of rasing your ire again, I feel that the news of whats
being done here isnt getting the widespread attenton it needs

since my first post contray to the WebFAQ here was ignored by everyone
except Mj°lnÙrs VN-bot and my second was dismissed out of hand I feel
it neccessary to expand the discussion to the 70 or so abw* groups
available on altopia

I'll continue doing it untill enough opposition can be raised to
counter what I consider a blatant hyjack or Chris pulls the plug on me

AFAIK or can find there was 0 discussion in any abw* group about
replacing the existng WarezFAQ

alot of people put a lot of work into it and for a tiny group of
people to simply discard it out of hand for 0 cause offends the hell
out of me and I will continu e to fight it's replacement by this web
baseed monstrocity

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