Looking for recommendations for a motherboard and processor for my new
workstation.

Have a Win2K Server license unused so I want to use it for the new
workstation. This machine will be used mostly for web work (Dreamweaver) and
database design (SQL Server 2K, not running the server but Enterprise
Manager and similar tools), but also some graphics (Illustrator and
Photoshop), some video editing and some programming (Visual C++).

I like the idea of dual processors, but don't really know if the
price-performance ratio justifies this.

I'd like to stay a bit below the very latest and greatest to get the best
bang for my bucks, but will certainly consider any advice.

Also, I don't yet have a video card, so I guess recommendations for that,
too, would be in order. I am not a gamer, but I certainly don't want a
sluggish card.

I will be networking this machine with several others, but since ethernet
cards are so cheap and plentiful I'm thinking I can just go name brand here.

Currently I have the following components for my system:

1. 2 x Seagate Barracuda 120GB EIDE UltraATA/100 7200 rpm hard drive 8MB
cache, model no. ST3120026A

2. 2 x Maxtor DiamondMax 120GB EIDE UltraATA/133 7200 rpm hard drive 8MB
cache, model no. L01P120

3. 1 x SIIG UltraATA/133 RAID PCI controller card with integrated USB 2.0
and FireWire, model no. JU-NNBR11

4. 1 x Kensington Wireless Keyboard & Mouse

So, any thoughts?

Thanks much,

Dave

"Pack Fan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Looking for recommendations for a motherboard and processor for my new
> workstation.

An E7205 based motherboard, with an Intel 2.6GHz CPU.

> I like the idea of dual processors, but don't really know if the
> price-performance ratio justifies this.

Usually not. The idea of dual CPUs sounds nice, but they would be underused
in reality. Your SQL Server and Photoshop would use them but it depends how
heavily you would use them.

> I'd like to stay a bit below the very latest and greatest to get the best
> bang for my bucks, but will certainly consider any advice.

Yes, well E7205-based boards are not the latest, but still rock solid.

> Also, I don't yet have a video card, so I guess recommendations for that,
> too, would be in order. I am not a gamer, but I certainly don't want a
> sluggish card.

What about an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro?

> I will be networking this machine with several others, but since ethernet
> cards are so cheap and plentiful I'm thinking I can just go name brand
here.

Some E7205 boards have 10/100 built in. You could get an Intel 10/100/1000
Gigabit NIC, or just one of the excellent 3Com 905C NIC's.

> Currently I have the following components for my system:
>
> 1. 2 x Seagate Barracuda 120GB EIDE UltraATA/100 7200 rpm hard drive 8MB
> cache, model no. ST3120026A
>
> 2. 2 x Maxtor DiamondMax 120GB EIDE UltraATA/133 7200 rpm hard drive 8MB
> cache, model no. L01P120
>
> 3. 1 x SIIG UltraATA/133 RAID PCI controller card with integrated USB 2.0
> and FireWire, model no. JU-NNBR11

Sounds nice!

> 4. 1 x Kensington Wireless Keyboard & Mouse

They are nice too!

Hope I've helped in some way. What I've listed is what I'd buy based on
what you asked.

@drian.

Thanks for the input, @drian. I'll check out your suggestions. I assume
you're referring to a P4 when you suggest an Intel 2.6 GHz CPU, no?

Anyone else want to weigh-in?

Thanks,

Dave

"@drian" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Pack Fan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > Looking for recommendations for a motherboard and processor for my new
> > workstation.
>
> An E7205 based motherboard, with an Intel 2.6GHz CPU.
>
> > I like the idea of dual processors, but don't really know if the
> > price-performance ratio justifies this.
>
> Usually not. The idea of dual CPUs sounds nice, but they would be
underused
> in reality. Your SQL Server and Photoshop would use them but it depends
how
> heavily you would use them.
>
> > I'd like to stay a bit below the very latest and greatest to get the
best
> > bang for my bucks, but will certainly consider any advice.
>
> Yes, well E7205-based boards are not the latest, but still rock solid.
>
> > Also, I don't yet have a video card, so I guess recommendations for
that,
> > too, would be in order. I am not a gamer, but I certainly don't want a
> > sluggish card.
>
> What about an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro?
>
> > I will be networking this machine with several others, but since
ethernet
> > cards are so cheap and plentiful I'm thinking I can just go name brand
> here.
>
> Some E7205 boards have 10/100 built in. You could get an Intel
10/100/1000
> Gigabit NIC, or just one of the excellent 3Com 905C NIC's.
>
> > Currently I have the following components for my system:
> >
> > 1. 2 x Seagate Barracuda 120GB EIDE UltraATA/100 7200 rpm hard drive 8MB
> > cache, model no. ST3120026A
> >
> > 2. 2 x Maxtor DiamondMax 120GB EIDE UltraATA/133 7200 rpm hard drive 8MB
> > cache, model no. L01P120
> >
> > 3. 1 x SIIG UltraATA/133 RAID PCI controller card with integrated USB
2.0
> > and FireWire, model no. JU-NNBR11
>
> Sounds nice!
>
> > 4. 1 x Kensington Wireless Keyboard & Mouse
>
> They are nice too!
>
> Hope I've helped in some way. What I've listed is what I'd buy based on
> what you asked.
>
> @drian.
>
>

Pack Fan wrote:

> Thanks for the input, @drian. I'll check out your suggestions. I assume
> you're referring to a P4 when you suggest an Intel 2.6 GHz CPU, no?
>
> Anyone else want to weigh-in?
>
>

Yep, dual chips will make a difference if you are doing more than one thing
at a time, like encoding video while working in word etc.

--

Stacey

So what good dual processor MOs are out there? I'm also considering AMD, if
this functionality is available.

Thanks,

Dave

"stacey" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Pack Fan wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the input, @drian. I'll check out your suggestions. I assume
> > you're referring to a P4 when you suggest an Intel 2.6 GHz CPU, no?
> >
> > Anyone else want to weigh-in?
> >
> >
>
> Yep, dual chips will make a difference if you are doing more than one
thing
> at a time, like encoding video while working in word etc.
>
> --
>
> Stacey

"Pack Fan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Thanks for the input, @drian. I'll check out your suggestions. I assume
> you're referring to a P4 when you suggest an Intel 2.6 GHz CPU, no?

Yes, the Pentium 4 2.6GHz 533 FSB. Because it's not the latest 800 FSB
part, and not high in GHz, it should be a lot easier on the wallet. For me,
building a server, I'd use those parts. I would consider an Asus or
SuperMicro for the E7205.

@drian.

"Pack Fan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> So what good dual processor MOs are out there? I'm also considering AMD,
if
> this functionality is available.

Well, I know Intel's better than AMD. Here is one such board:

http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/Mo.../X5DAL-TG2.htm

It uses the E7505 chipset. The E7505 is the Xeon version of the E7205. The
E7205 is meant for single processor systems, as it takes a Pentium 4. The
P4's are not dual processor compatible.

This is actually a nice board, PCI-X, 8GBs of DDR 200/266 RAM supported,
supports Xeon's up to 3.2GHz, SATA RAID built onboard. Very nice. When
matched with one of their cases, you would have a very solid, fast system.

@drian.

"Pack Fan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> So what good dual processor MOs are out there? I'm also considering AMD,
if
> this functionality is available.

Two more for you to look at:

32-bit PCI:
http://www.tyan.com/products/html/tigeri7505.html

32-bit PCI & 64-bit PCI-X:
http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderi7505.html

@drian.

Thanks for all the info, @drian. I'm going to be going over those three dual
boards you mentioned.

Quick question, though, and I'm sure this will reveal my considerable
ignorance, is 64 bit PCI new? Is 32 bit more typical? When a vendor doesn't
specify is their card typically 32 or 64 bit?

Thanks,

Dave

"@drian" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Pack Fan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Thanks for the input, @drian. I'll check out your suggestions. I assume
> > you're referring to a P4 when you suggest an Intel 2.6 GHz CPU, no?
>
> Yes, the Pentium 4 2.6GHz 533 FSB. Because it's not the latest 800 FSB
> part, and not high in GHz, it should be a lot easier on the wallet. For
me,
> building a server, I'd use those parts. I would consider an Asus or
> SuperMicro for the E7205.
>
> @drian.
>
>

"Pack Fan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Thanks for all the info, @drian. I'm going to be going over those three
dual
> boards you mentioned.
>
> Quick question, though, and I'm sure this will reveal my considerable
> ignorance, is 64 bit PCI new? Is 32 bit more typical? When a vendor
doesn't
> specify is their card typically 32 or 64 bit?

64-bit PCI-X slots are not new. They've been used mainly on server
motherboards and moved their way into workstation boards. To hazard a
guess, I'd say they've been around for 6-12 months. 32-bit PCI slots are
definitely more popular. I would say you'd need a 64-bit slot for a few
reasons:

a) SCSI adapter
b) FireWire 800 adapter

If you don't care about FireWire 800 and the SCSI is built into the
motherboard, then I don't see why you'd need to pursue a 64-bit slot,
although they are certainly handy to have for future PCI cards.

Vendors who make PCI cards who don't specify are selling a 32-bit PCI card.
For a vendor selling a 64-bit card, you'll either see it as "64-bit PCI", or
"64-bit PCI and 32-bit compatible", meaning, it really is a 64-bit card but
can be used in a 32-bit PCI slot. If used in a 32-bit PCI slot, the
bandwidth of that card is halfed.

I personally like Tyan and SuperMicro, especially SuperMicro as it's really
handy to have a maker who makes the cases as well as the boards.

Regards.

@drian.