Has anyone downloaded Microsoft Security Essentials released today free
of charge? It provides real-time protection for your home PC and
guards against viruses, spyware, and other malicious software.. I have
just downloaded but can't install yet because I have AVAST running on
this system.

http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/

Yes I have it on three XP machines.

You need to unimstall Avast then install MSE

"Kevin" wrote:

> Has anyone downloaded Microsoft Security Essentials released today free
> of charge? It provides real-time protection for your home PC and
> guards against viruses, spyware, and other malicious software.. I have
> just downloaded but can't install yet because I have AVAST running on
> this system.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/
>
>
>

This from MSE:

"Uninstalling existing antivirus or antispyware programs before installing
Microsoft Security Essentials. If you use more than one antivirus or
antispyware program at the same time, your computer may experience decreased
performance, become unstable, or restart unexpectedly. Before you install
Microsoft Security Essentials, you should disable or uninstall other
security-related programs."

I too run Avast! As far as I recall it has always been advised not to run
two AV programmes at the same time.

MSE automatically disables Windows Defender (if you don't uninstall it
first).

I assume it would be OK to keep the FREE versions of Malwarebytes and
Superantispyware as these do not have "Real Time" scanning.

The thing that bothers me is the word "suite". Norton, McAfee, Trend Micro
etc. have "suites" that want to take over your computer and be all things to
all men.

Think I'll wait for some feedback before trying it.


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> What does Avast has to do with it? I use it and have no problems MSE
> updated just fine today.
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> "Kevin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Has anyone downloaded Microsoft Security Essentials released today free
>> of charge? It provides real-time protection for your home PC and guards
>> against viruses, spyware, and other malicious software.. I have just
>> downloaded but can't install yet because I have AVAST running on this
>> system.
>>
>> http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/
>>
>>
>

On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:03:16 +0100, "Smirnoff"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> This from MSE:
>
> "Uninstalling existing antivirus or antispyware programs before installing
> Microsoft Security Essentials. If you use more than one antivirus or
> antispyware program at the same time, your computer may experience decreased
> performance, become unstable, or restart unexpectedly. Before you install
> Microsoft Security Essentials, you should disable or uninstall other
> security-related programs."
>
> I too run Avast! As far as I recall it has always been advised not to run
> two AV programmes at the same time.


Correct. They can interfere with each other.


> MSE automatically disables Windows Defender (if you don't uninstall it
> first).
>
> I assume it would be OK to keep the FREE versions of Malwarebytes and
> Superantispyware as these do not have "Real Time" scanning.


Yes.


> The thing that bothers me is the word "suite". Norton, McAfee, Trend Micro
> etc. have "suites" that want to take over your computer and be all things to
> all men.


I am almost always against suites of any type--whether software,
office, or anything else. I want to choose what I think is the best
program of each type, not what the vendor of a suite chooses and puts
together.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
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"Ken Blake, MVP" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:03:16 +0100, "Smirnoff"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> This from MSE:
>>
>> "Uninstalling existing antivirus or antispyware programs before
>> installing
>> Microsoft Security Essentials. If you use more than one antivirus or
>> antispyware program at the same time, your computer may experience
>> decreased
>> performance, become unstable, or restart unexpectedly. Before you install
>> Microsoft Security Essentials, you should disable or uninstall other
>> security-related programs."
>>
>> I too run Avast! As far as I recall it has always been advised not to run
>> two AV programmes at the same time.
>
>
> Correct. They can interfere with each other.
>
>
>> MSE automatically disables Windows Defender (if you don't uninstall it
>> first).
>>
>> I assume it would be OK to keep the FREE versions of Malwarebytes and
>> Superantispyware as these do not have "Real Time" scanning.
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
>> The thing that bothers me is the word "suite". Norton, McAfee, Trend
>> Micro
>> etc. have "suites" that want to take over your computer and be all things
>> to
>> all men.
>
>
> I am almost always against suites of any type--whether software,
> office, or anything else. I want to choose what I think is the best
> program of each type, not what the vendor of a suite chooses and puts
> together.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup


As stated the "suite" tag puts me off a bit. However, I think that this time
I will go against my instincts and give it a try.

The reasons for this are:

Although the FREE versions of Malwarebytes and Superantispyware are very
good, as they do not have "real time" scanning/detection, they are only
useful at removing threats "after the event" (although I will keep both to
run independent scans).

Unlike Windows Defender, which only had database updates every few days, MSE
automatically updates itself three times a day.

Although I found AV programmes such as Avast! and AVG very good, logic
suggests that MS has many more resources (and many more reasons) to make
sure that its database of potential malware is fully updated.

It would be interesting to know where the likes of Avast! and AVG get their
information about new viruses/threats. I have to assume that much of it
comes from MS research, or am I wrong?

On Oct 1, 12:30*am, "Smirnoff" <some...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in messagenews:(E-Mail Removed)...

> Although the FREE versions of Malwarebytes and Superantispyware are very
> good, as they do not have "real time" scanning/detection, they are only
> useful at removing threats "after the event" (although I will keep both to
> run independent scans).
>

I would assume this logic (keeping installed to run independent scans)
would also apply to keeping Avira's AntiVir installed (with the real-
time Guard option turned off)? Although, of late, the updating of
this AV has become problematic, bringing it's useful effectiveness in
to question. As a result, it has made me more prone to giving MSE a
try.

> Unlike Windows Defender, which only had database updates every few days, MSE
> automatically updates itself three times a day.

I seem to recall the MSE promo email mentioned that MSE was a
companion for Windows Defender. Is that how others understood it? If
so, I'll probably install WD as well.

"Teflon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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On Oct 1, 12:30 am, "Smirnoff" <some...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kbl...@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in
> messagenews:(E-Mail Removed)...

> Although the FREE versions of Malwarebytes and Superantispyware are very
> good, as they do not have "real time" scanning/detection, they are only
> useful at removing threats "after the event" (although I will keep both to
> run independent scans).
>

I would assume this logic (keeping installed to run independent scans)
would also apply to keeping Avira's AntiVir installed (with the real-
time Guard option turned off)? Although, of late, the updating of
this AV has become problematic, bringing it's useful effectiveness in
to question. As a result, it has made me more prone to giving MSE a
try.

> Unlike Windows Defender, which only had database updates every few days, MSE
> automatically updates itself three times a day.

I seem to recall the MSE promo email mentioned that MSE was a
companion for Windows Defender. Is that how others understood it? If
so, I'll probably install WD as well.

No, MSE will turn off Windows Defender when you install it.

Teflon wrote:

>> Unlike Windows Defender, which only had database updates every few days, MSE
>> automatically updates itself three times a day.
>
> I seem to recall the MSE promo email mentioned that MSE was a
> companion for Windows Defender. Is that how others understood it? If
> so, I'll probably install WD as well.


If you have Windows Defender installed when you install MSE, then the
MSE installer would disable Windows Defender. So basically if you
install MSE you really don't need to install Windows Defender.


--

Roy Smith
Windows XP Pro SP3

> If you have Windows Defender installed when you install MSE, then the
> MSE installer would disable Windows Defender. *So basically if you
> install MSE you really don't need to install Windows Defender.
> --
> Roy Smith
> Windows XP Pro SP3

Thanks for clearing that up Roy. Any 'known', i.e. published
incompatibilities with other apps, security or otherwise, that came
out of the beta trial?

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
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>
> On 03/10/2009 12:52, ~BD~ wrote:
> >
> > On 26/09/2009 20:37, Leythos wrote:
> >>
> >> On the internet there is no proof even if it's offered - anyone can be
> >> anyone from anywhere, even if they offer you a name/address that appears
> >> to be real.
> >>
> >> People are known by their identity, not by their address or who they
> >> work for, they are known by their history of posts and the integrity they
> >> show in their posts.
> >>
> >> Butts has been an unethical poster, and his sig shows it, as does the
> >> porn and links to porn he's posted, as well as his proven piracy...
> >
> >> Headers are what differentiates us from others, not that they can't be
> >> faked, but headers combined with the history and tone of posts can give
> >> you a clear idea of the person and their morals/ethics.
> >>
>
> The Real Truth MVP does not appear to be trying to hide - his (or is it
> her?) signature block clearly says ......
>
> http://pcbutts1-therealtruth.blogspot.com/
>
> FWIW - *I* have *never* seen any links to any porn on any of his/her
> posts or on his/her Blog site.

All of these links have been posted MANY times by Butts:

http://www.pcbutts1.XXX/rlk/rlk.htm Exposed to Kids ,
http://www.pcbutts1.XXX/license.htm Exposed to Kids ,
http://www.pcbutts1.XXX/downloads/max.htm Exposed to Kids ,
http://www.pcbutts1.XXX/downloads/mpv.htm Exposed to Kids ,
http://www.pcbutts1.XXX/downloads/wtcpcb.htm Exposed to Kids ,
http://www.pcbutts1.XXX/cracks.htm Exposed to Kids ,
http://www.pcbutts1.XXX/Loutheasshole.htm REMOVED ,
http://www.pcbutts1.XXX/downloads/bughunters.htm Exposed to Kids ...

I replaced COM with XXX so that the links would not work. All of those
pages contained very nasty porn that butts created and then posted about
the various people each time he was exposed as pirating others works.

You would find these if you had a ounce of integrity and actually looked
for his history.

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