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HELP -- [1ch] record of Domain Controller in WINS problem after seizure operation

 
 
J.H
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      21st Jan 2004
Hi David,

Do you (online MS Support) have any solution for this ? I re-posted because
it was forgotten.

Thanks for your reponse. I have checked by nbtstat -A DC3_IP, the [1B]
record is registered (also20, 00,1C,1E,1D), but not in the WINS's 'Find
Name' database when I used WINS console to find those records. So far we
have no problem for domain validation, passwordchange, joining the
domain...etc, every thing seems to be functional. I was worrying of having
problem for not having [1ch] record, that will create the problem for master
browser role in our network (correct me if i am wrong).

- Do you have any idea why [1ch] does not get registered after the seizure
operation ? I tried many ways, but would not help (yet, haven't not tried
yours 180094 yet,
refer for automatic creation of those record, because if I added another
domain controller,
the [1ch] record will be automatically created on the WINS server which IP
is new added DC)
- if there is no [1ch] record, what will be happening to Windows Internet
Name Service resolution in our network ?
- If there is no solution, I probably have to promot another server to be DC
for having [1ch]
record registered in our WINS, but that's not very good practice that we
were doing :-)

Any suggestion will be appreciated !!!!!
Thanks for your all readings,
J.H


 
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David Brandt [MSFT]
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      21st Jan 2004
My apologies but I don't remember the details in the original post, but try
running nbtstat -RR to see if it registers, and you can also query wins by
IP, name, etc to be sure you don't see it as they can be easy to overlook.
All xp and win2k based machines will want to use dns for just about
everything, and some domains don't even have wins running, but not sure if
you have downlevel clients etc as well.
Seizing roles from one win2k dc to another would only affect the wins 1B
registration for domain as the pdc emulator role changes from one dc to
another. Any dc, holding any fsmo roles or not, will still be a dc and you
should see the 1c record for it (in addition to the 1b for the pdc too)

The pdc will Always be the "domain master browser". Other browsers (segment
masters or potential browsers) use the 1E wins registration;
119495 List of Names Registered with WINS Service
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=119495

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"J.H" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:e8Q$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi David,
>
> Do you (online MS Support) have any solution for this ? I re-posted

because
> it was forgotten.
>
> Thanks for your reponse. I have checked by nbtstat -A DC3_IP, the [1B]
> record is registered (also20, 00,1C,1E,1D), but not in the WINS's 'Find
> Name' database when I used WINS console to find those records. So far we
> have no problem for domain validation, passwordchange, joining the
> domain...etc, every thing seems to be functional. I was worrying of having
> problem for not having [1ch] record, that will create the problem for

master
> browser role in our network (correct me if i am wrong).
>
> - Do you have any idea why [1ch] does not get registered after the seizure
> operation ? I tried many ways, but would not help (yet, haven't not tried
> yours 180094 yet,
> refer for automatic creation of those record, because if I added another
> domain controller,
> the [1ch] record will be automatically created on the WINS server which IP
> is new added DC)
> - if there is no [1ch] record, what will be happening to Windows Internet
> Name Service resolution in our network ?
> - If there is no solution, I probably have to promot another server to be

DC
> for having [1ch]
> record registered in our WINS, but that's not very good practice that we
> were doing :-)
>
> Any suggestion will be appreciated !!!!!
> Thanks for your all readings,
> J.H
>
>



 
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J.H
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      21st Jan 2004
Hi David,

Thanks for your quick response. I did try to find the record name in WINS by
'*'
It could then find any thing left in the WINS, but not [1ch]. The strange
thing was
keeping bugged me if we added another DC in our single domain network model
(just DC, no roles for it), the new DC will be registerd [1ch] record with
its IP. While
the DC (which we seized the 5 roles (+1 PDC role) from downed 1st DC to it)
never
has [1ch] record point to itself. That's strange!!!

All other records have registered in WINS but except [1ch] record for the DC
holding 5 roles.

Except that issue [1ch] record for the DC holding 5 roles, we have no
problem at all
in our network. Our network has a few windows 98, but no NT4 or NT4 BDC. Our
network infrastructure is based on Windows 2000 AD/DC, and mixed mode.

Regards,
J.H

"David Brandt [MSFT]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:400ebf65$(E-Mail Removed)...
> My apologies but I don't remember the details in the original post, but

try
> running nbtstat -RR to see if it registers, and you can also query wins by
> IP, name, etc to be sure you don't see it as they can be easy to overlook.
> All xp and win2k based machines will want to use dns for just about
> everything, and some domains don't even have wins running, but not sure if
> you have downlevel clients etc as well.
> Seizing roles from one win2k dc to another would only affect the wins 1B
> registration for domain as the pdc emulator role changes from one dc to
> another. Any dc, holding any fsmo roles or not, will still be a dc and

you
> should see the 1c record for it (in addition to the 1b for the pdc too)
>
> The pdc will Always be the "domain master browser". Other browsers

(segment
> masters or potential browsers) use the 1E wins registration;
> 119495 List of Names Registered with WINS Service
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=119495
>
> --
> David Brandt
> Microsoft Corporation
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

rights.
> Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
> newsgroup purposes only.
> "J.H" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:e8Q$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Do you (online MS Support) have any solution for this ? I re-posted

> because
> > it was forgotten.
> >
> > Thanks for your reponse. I have checked by nbtstat -A DC3_IP, the [1B]
> > record is registered (also20, 00,1C,1E,1D), but not in the WINS's 'Find
> > Name' database when I used WINS console to find those records. So far we
> > have no problem for domain validation, passwordchange, joining the
> > domain...etc, every thing seems to be functional. I was worrying of

having
> > problem for not having [1ch] record, that will create the problem for

> master
> > browser role in our network (correct me if i am wrong).
> >
> > - Do you have any idea why [1ch] does not get registered after the

seizure
> > operation ? I tried many ways, but would not help (yet, haven't not

tried
> > yours 180094 yet,
> > refer for automatic creation of those record, because if I added another
> > domain controller,
> > the [1ch] record will be automatically created on the WINS server which

IP
> > is new added DC)
> > - if there is no [1ch] record, what will be happening to Windows

Internet
> > Name Service resolution in our network ?
> > - If there is no solution, I probably have to promot another server to

be
> DC
> > for having [1ch]
> > record registered in our WINS, but that's not very good practice that we
> > were doing :-)
> >
> > Any suggestion will be appreciated !!!!!
> > Thanks for your all readings,
> > J.H
> >
> >

>
>



 
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David Brandt [MSFT]
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      21st Jan 2004
Would really need to dig into wins to tell what's going on, but if you only
have a few win98 boxes and they aren't having any problems, I wouldn't be
overly concerned about it. Dns will be the main road everything else is
wanting to use.

--
David Brandt
Microsoft Corporation

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
newsgroup purposes only.
"J.H" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:O$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi David,
>
> Thanks for your quick response. I did try to find the record name in WINS

by
> '*'
> It could then find any thing left in the WINS, but not [1ch]. The strange
> thing was
> keeping bugged me if we added another DC in our single domain network

model
> (just DC, no roles for it), the new DC will be registerd [1ch] record with
> its IP. While
> the DC (which we seized the 5 roles (+1 PDC role) from downed 1st DC to

it)
> never
> has [1ch] record point to itself. That's strange!!!
>
> All other records have registered in WINS but except [1ch] record for the

DC
> holding 5 roles.
>
> Except that issue [1ch] record for the DC holding 5 roles, we have no
> problem at all
> in our network. Our network has a few windows 98, but no NT4 or NT4 BDC.

Our
> network infrastructure is based on Windows 2000 AD/DC, and mixed mode.
>
> Regards,
> J.H
>
> "David Brandt [MSFT]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:400ebf65$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > My apologies but I don't remember the details in the original post, but

> try
> > running nbtstat -RR to see if it registers, and you can also query wins

by
> > IP, name, etc to be sure you don't see it as they can be easy to

overlook.
> > All xp and win2k based machines will want to use dns for just about
> > everything, and some domains don't even have wins running, but not sure

if
> > you have downlevel clients etc as well.
> > Seizing roles from one win2k dc to another would only affect the wins 1B
> > registration for domain as the pdc emulator role changes from one dc to
> > another. Any dc, holding any fsmo roles or not, will still be a dc and

> you
> > should see the 1c record for it (in addition to the 1b for the pdc too)
> >
> > The pdc will Always be the "domain master browser". Other browsers

> (segment
> > masters or potential browsers) use the 1E wins registration;
> > 119495 List of Names Registered with WINS Service
> > http://support.microsoft.com/?id=119495
> >
> > --
> > David Brandt
> > Microsoft Corporation
> >
> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no

> rights.
> > Please do not send e-mail directly to this alias. This alias is for
> > newsgroup purposes only.
> > "J.H" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:e8Q$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > Hi David,
> > >
> > > Do you (online MS Support) have any solution for this ? I re-posted

> > because
> > > it was forgotten.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your reponse. I have checked by nbtstat -A DC3_IP, the [1B]
> > > record is registered (also20, 00,1C,1E,1D), but not in the WINS's

'Find
> > > Name' database when I used WINS console to find those records. So far

we
> > > have no problem for domain validation, passwordchange, joining the
> > > domain...etc, every thing seems to be functional. I was worrying of

> having
> > > problem for not having [1ch] record, that will create the problem for

> > master
> > > browser role in our network (correct me if i am wrong).
> > >
> > > - Do you have any idea why [1ch] does not get registered after the

> seizure
> > > operation ? I tried many ways, but would not help (yet, haven't not

> tried
> > > yours 180094 yet,
> > > refer for automatic creation of those record, because if I added

another
> > > domain controller,
> > > the [1ch] record will be automatically created on the WINS server

which
> IP
> > > is new added DC)
> > > - if there is no [1ch] record, what will be happening to Windows

> Internet
> > > Name Service resolution in our network ?
> > > - If there is no solution, I probably have to promot another server to

> be
> > DC
> > > for having [1ch]
> > > record registered in our WINS, but that's not very good practice that

we
> > > were doing :-)
> > >
> > > Any suggestion will be appreciated !!!!!
> > > Thanks for your all readings,
> > > J.H
> > >
> > >

> >
> >

>
>



 
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