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Charlie Hoffpauir
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      22nd Sep 2011
My daughter has an old Win 98 computer that she was trying to get some
data from. She has no backup (she's a lawyer, so I suspect that's part
of the problem) and the computer wouldn't boot up. So I removed the
HD. It's an old Seagate, 3 GB, ST33220A. I connected it (PATA
interface) and tried to read the data, without success. Windows will
see it, but won't read anything from it and properties reports zero
size. I'm hoping that it's just the boot tracks that are messed up and
that the data on it is still OK.... but have no clue as to how to get
to the data. I'd appreciate any suggestions.
 
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      22nd Sep 2011
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Charlie Hoffpauir <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>My daughter has an old Win 98 computer that she was trying to get some
>data from. She has no backup (she's a lawyer, so I suspect that's part
>of the problem) and the computer wouldn't boot up. So I removed the
>HD. It's an old Seagate, 3 GB, ST33220A. I connected it (PATA
>interface) and tried to read the data, without success. Windows will
>see it, but won't read anything from it and properties reports zero
>size. I'm hoping that it's just the boot tracks that are messed up and
>that the data on it is still OK.... but have no clue as to how to get
>to the data. I'd appreciate any suggestions.



Easus partition master free home edition should work.

http://www.partition-tool.com/personal.htm













http://www.partition-tool.com/partit...lost-partition.
htm

Whether partition can be recognized by system or not depends on the partition
table. If partition table is destroyed by virus or deleted accidentally, you
will not see the partition you need. But in fact, you can use Partition
Recovery Wizard built in EaseUS Partition Master to recover deleted or lost
partitions.

 
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ultraport@mail.com
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      22nd Sep 2011
On Sep 22, 1:48*pm, Charlie Hoffpauir <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> My daughter has an old Win 98 computer that she was trying to get some
> data from. She has no backup (she's a lawyer, so I suspect that's part
> of the problem) and the computer wouldn't boot up. So I removed the
> HD. It's an old Seagate, 3 GB, ST33220A. I connected it (PATA
> interface) and tried to read the data, without success. Windows will
> see it, but won't read anything from it and properties reports zero
> size. I'm hoping that it's just the boot tracks that are messed up and
> that the data on it is still OK.... but have no clue as to how to get
> to the data. I'd appreciate any suggestions.


Duplicate the disk now. Never work with the source when trying to
recover data.
 
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ultraport@mail.com
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      22nd Sep 2011
Charlie Hoffpauir <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> My daughter has an old Win 98 computer that she was trying to get some
> data from. She has no backup (she's a lawyer, so I suspect that's part
> of the problem)


Becoming a lawyer without knowing enough to have data backups suggests
political correctness has something to do with it.
 
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Flasherly
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      23rd Sep 2011
On Sep 22, 2:48 pm, Charlie Hoffpauir <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> My daughter has an old Win 98 computer that she was trying to get some
> data from. She has no backup (she's a lawyer, so I suspect that's part
> of the problem) and the computer wouldn't boot up. So I removed the
> HD. It's an old Seagate, 3 GB, ST33220A. I connected it (PATA
> interface) and tried to read the data, without success. Windows will
> see it, but won't read anything from it and properties reports zero
> size. I'm hoping that it's just the boot tracks that are messed up and
> that the data on it is still OK.... but have no clue as to how to get
> to the data. I'd appreciate any suggestions.


Easus has saved my butt with NTFS turning to jello, as it invariably
will if the system is treated roughly or thrown curveballs. With
FAT16/20/32 you've a wider range of software diagnostics, a "chance"
of coherent and extant cross-links, but that's a 3G drive and so
ancient I'm having trouble placing it within reference to the last
ancient 800Meg drives I bought. Maybe somewhere around an IBM drive
in a 800Mhz Athlon that went bad on someone perhaps similarly
whining. Actually, damn near crying. It took me literally hours and
several reboots. I got it to "limp along" transferring data off to a
new drive I installed in between the system locking up. Real pain in
the butt. With the guy I was doing it for asking inane questions all
the while. Eventually I told him it might help to stand on the table
and try ****ing on the computer. Which made him very mad and he
exploded. Oh, well. He does know one thing now, though, that there's
value in backups he now keeps. That and to think twice before asking
just any question. There's a lot of software utilities, but if it
boils down to hardware-level recovery, it'll take specialists and
disassembling the HD for substituting equipment to recover the data
from standalone platters. Fees and labor up front with no guarantee
past reputation and an honest try.
 
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Paul
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      23rd Sep 2011
Charlie Hoffpauir wrote:
> My daughter has an old Win 98 computer that she was trying to get some
> data from. She has no backup (she's a lawyer, so I suspect that's part
> of the problem) and the computer wouldn't boot up. So I removed the
> HD. It's an old Seagate, 3 GB, ST33220A. I connected it (PATA
> interface) and tried to read the data, without success. Windows will
> see it, but won't read anything from it and properties reports zero
> size. I'm hoping that it's just the boot tracks that are messed up and
> that the data on it is still OK.... but have no clue as to how to get
> to the data. I'd appreciate any suggestions.


I agree with the backup sentiment.

What I'd do, is connect the drive to my desktop, boot a Linux LiveCD, and
"dd" the 3GB (if it will all read) and store it somewhere safe. First
attempt would be a plain "dd" command, available in any Linux.

dd if=/dev/hda of=/media/WINXP/downloads/savemybutt.dd

On my machine, my C: partition has a label of "WINXP", and when
Linux runs and I click on the disk icon, my C: drive becomes /media/WINXP.

That command assumes you're using an NTFS partition, because many times
the disk being copied, is larger than the 4GB limit of FAT32. Modern Linux
distros can handle NTFS, so you can save the resulting file on the main hard
drive. Since in your case, the image of the disk is only 3GB in size, it
would even fit on a FAT32 partition which has a 4GB max file size. Normally,
I'd be making sure the destination was an NTFS partition, because the file
would be larger than that.

Once you have some kind of sector by sector backup copy, you can experiment all
you want with the lawyer's data. You can put the image back later, if you
make a mistake.

dd if=/media/WINXP/downloads/savemybutt.dd of=/dev/hda

Part of the fun, is figuring out whether /dev/hda is the 3GB disk or not.
Disks have many potential names, and doing "ls /dev" might hint at the name.
For example, if the disk had one partition, I might see /dev/hda and /dev/hda1,
with the latter being the first partition, and the former being the whole disk.
Since both of my current hard drives, have four primary partitions each, I
end up with at least ten entries in /dev that look interesting.

*******

If the disk has "bad spots", there is a suggestion here.

http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/Damaged_Hard_Disk

./ddrescue -n /dev/old_disk /dev/new_disk rescued.log
./ddrescue -r 1 /dev/old_disk /dev/new_disk rescued.log

What that special version does, is keep track of what it can read
and what it can't read. The first pass is quick, and picks up most
of the (easily read) data, while the second pass tries a bit harder
to fill in the gaps. Any sectors which can't be read, are replaced
with zeros, so as far as I know, the output size should still be
the same, even if data is missing. This approach is reserved for
stuff you're about to send off to a $$$Data_Recovery firm, where you
want to keep as much as possible locally, before sending off the disk.

If there wasn't a special approach available, and the disk spent 15 seconds
for each bad sector, and the disk was terabyte sized, a copy attempt
might never finish. That's why at some point, if you notice a "bad spot"
when trying to make your backup copy, then the status of the disk
changes measurably, from "probably just some little thing" to "****,
I gonna lose the whole thing".

Paul
 
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      23rd Sep 2011
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>On Sep 22, 1:48=A0pm, Charlie Hoffpauir <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> My daughter has an old Win 98 computer that she was trying to get some
>> data from. She has no backup (she's a lawyer, so I suspect that's part
>> of the problem) and the computer wouldn't boot up. So I removed the
>> HD. It's an old Seagate, 3 GB, ST33220A. I connected it (PATA
>> interface) and tried to read the data, without success. Windows will
>> see it, but won't read anything from it and properties reports zero
>> size. I'm hoping that it's just the boot tracks that are messed up and
>> that the data on it is still OK.... but have no clue as to how to get
>> to the data. I'd appreciate any suggestions.

>
>Duplicate the disk now. Never work with the source when trying to
>recover data.

Cant duplicate it if it cant read any partition info from it.

Easus recovers them.
 
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      23rd Sep 2011
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>Charlie Hoffpauir <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>> My daughter has an old Win 98 computer that she was trying to get some
>> data from. She has no backup (she's a lawyer, so I suspect that's part
>> of the problem)

>
>Becoming a lawyer without knowing enough to have data backups suggests
>political correctness has something to do with it.



The Attorney General for the State of Utah came into CompUSA when i worked
there a decade ago and her personal home computer with alot of her work
related stuff crashed on her.
 
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      24th Sep 2011
Winniethepooh 100acrewoods.org (GMAN) wrote:

> ultraport mail.com wrote:
>> Charlie Hoffpauir <inva... invalid.com> wrote:


>>> My daughter has an old Win 98 computer that she was trying to
>>> get some data from. She has no backup (she's a lawyer, so I
>>> suspect that's part of the problem) and the computer wouldn't
>>> boot up. So I removed the HD. It's an old Seagate, 3 GB,
>>> ST33220A. I connected it (PATA interface) and tried to read
>>> the data, without success. Windows will see it, but won't read
>>> anything from it and properties reports zero size. I'm hoping
>>> that it's just the boot tracks that are messed up and that the
>>> data on it is still OK.... but have no clue as to how to get
>>> to the data. I'd appreciate any suggestions.

>>
>>Duplicate the disk now. Never work with the source when trying
>>to recover data.

> Cant duplicate it if it cant read any partition info from it.


But of course, that depends on what "it" means.

> Easus recovers them.


Bullshit. At best, that depends on the circumstance.

Before you play around, you get serious and do what you should've
done to begin with. Job one is duplicating what you have. Anybody
who knows anything about computing should know that having a
backup copy of your stuff is half of what computing is all about.
Telling someone to mess around with the data that they should have
a copy of is the blind leading the blind.
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Flasherly
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      24th Sep 2011
On Sep 23, 8:17 pm, John Doe <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
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> > Easus recovers them.

>
> Bullshit. At best, that depends on the circumstance.


A little more than that, and I've used most all since PCTools and
Norton Disk Doctor for DOS4&5. Easeus - at best what they deserve is
to be spaelt right - Data Recovery and Partition Master software
deserves the credit they're getting. It's a long way from anything
going by a dread of bloated rot in Symantec suites or the pain of
sparse pickings in Partition Magic. Still too early for me, though,
these wildly large FAT32 partitions Easeus deals in, though I do like
what I see (stave them stakes NTFS(c) drives thick and hard). As for
Data Recovery, if it's important enough for a chance not overwritten,
that's what I go to in the easiest sense. I don't mess much more with
half a dozen "known" recovery utilities - funny how known actually
works in so many hit-&-miss tactics I've experienced - nor was I ever
much of a binary writer with the HD editors. Yep, Easeus is just way
too cool not to check it out.
 
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