I have PowerPoint slides which need to be read by a screen reader, JAWS, for
accessibility requirements. I have to group multiple images into one, and
provide web/alternate text. That works fine. To test this, I've been
advised to Tab through the images on the slide. What I find is that although
grouped, the individual images are still there. First I stop in the title,
then the grouped image. Next Tab takes me through the individual components.
I am expecting that they will be gone. Is that a feature or a bug? Is that
a setting to turn off? Any help appreciated. Thanks, Judy

Maybe I should have left JAWS out of it. JAWS does stop on the grouped
image, then the individual components.

Whether or not JAWS is on or off... I (perhaps erroneously) expect that
since I grouped my images, the individual components are not available
individually until I would chose to un-group.

Say I've grouped a screen shot image, a box I've put around something
important in that screen shot, and an arrow. Three components. If I would
tab through the slide, the title is hit first, then the grouped image, then
the screen shot, the box, and the arrow. Shouldn't the individual parts be
'gone', since they're grouped?

Maybe my expectations are wrong. i've got ppt 2002 with SP 3.

thanks, Judy

"Steve Rindsberg" wrote:

> In article <E927C496-8D1E-4467-B72C-(E-Mail Removed)>, Judy P. wrote:
> > I have PowerPoint slides which need to be read by a screen reader, JAWS, for
> > accessibility requirements. I have to group multiple images into one, and
> > provide web/alternate text. That works fine. To test this, I've been
> > advised to Tab through the images on the slide. What I find is that although
> > grouped, the individual images are still there. First I stop in the title,
> > then the grouped image. Next Tab takes me through the individual components.
> > I am expecting that they will be gone. Is that a feature or a bug? Is that
> > a setting to turn off? Any help appreciated. Thanks, Judy
> >
>
> The behavior varies a bit between versions. I'm not entirely sure it matters in
> this case; what's important is what Jaws makes of it. I'd test the slides there
> to see what it reads.
>
>
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
> PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com
> PPTools: www.pptools.com
> ================================================
>
>
>

hi Steve, thanks for pursuing this.

I had posted the same question to an Accessibility Forum within my company.
I found a lady who it 'worked' for, and she was using PPT 2000. I've tried
both XP and 2003, with the same, undesired results. So your confirmation of
the behaviour between releases was exactly what I needed to know to identify
the problem.

I've previosly tried saving the grouped image (PNG) and importing it to a
new slide. There is a slight loss of clarity, but not as great as with
saving as some other object types. It might be our only workaround.

Unfortunately, on our server to download Office, 2000 is no longer
available. :-(

So, thanks very much for identifying this problem for me! Judy

"Steve Rindsberg" wrote:

> In article <9102678A-594C-48DE-A3FE-(E-Mail Removed)>, Judy P. wrote:
> > Maybe I should have left JAWS out of it.
>
> Not at all, or so it seems to me. After all, if the object is to get the
> presentation to read correctly in JAWS, all that really matters IS how JAWS handles
> things.
>
> > JAWS does stop on the grouped
> > image, then the individual components.
> >
> > Whether or not JAWS is on or off... I (perhaps erroneously) expect that
> > since I grouped my images, the individual components are not available
> > individually until I would chose to un-group.
>
> A reasonable expectation, and in fact this is how PPT used to behave through PPT2000.
> In 2002 or 2003, tabbing behavior changed to select first the group, then each
> component of the group.
>
> There's probably some way for JAWS to get around this in their code, but that does
> you no good.
>
> What you might try instead is to select your grouped shape, copy it, then use Edit,
> PasteSpecial as PNG to paste in a picture of the group (which by definition will be a
> single shape, not a group). Then delete the original group. Apply your web text to
> the newly pasted picture.
>
> Caveats:
>
> I'd do this on a COPY of your original presentation, of course.
>
> And if the end user needs to be able to edit the components of the group, this won't
> work at all, of course.
>
> >
> > Say I've grouped a screen shot image, a box I've put around something
> > important in that screen shot, and an arrow. Three components. If I would
> > tab through the slide, the title is hit first, then the grouped image, then
> > the screen shot, the box, and the arrow. Shouldn't the individual parts be
> > 'gone', since they're grouped?
> >
> > Maybe my expectations are wrong. i've got ppt 2002 with SP 3.
> >
> > thanks, Judy
> >
> > "Steve Rindsberg" wrote:
> >
> > > In article <E927C496-8D1E-4467-B72C-(E-Mail Removed)>, Judy P. wrote:
> > > > I have PowerPoint slides which need to be read by a screen reader, JAWS, for
> > > > accessibility requirements. I have to group multiple images into one, and
> > > > provide web/alternate text. That works fine. To test this, I've been
> > > > advised to Tab through the images on the slide. What I find is that although
> > > > grouped, the individual images are still there. First I stop in the title,
> > > > then the grouped image. Next Tab takes me through the individual components.
> > > > I am expecting that they will be gone. Is that a feature or a bug? Is that
> > > > a setting to turn off? Any help appreciated. Thanks, Judy
> > > >
> > >
> > > The behavior varies a bit between versions. I'm not entirely sure it matters in
> > > this case; what's important is what Jaws makes of it. I'd test the slides there
> > > to see what it reads.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------
> > > Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
> > > PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com
> > > PPTools: www.pptools.com
> > > ================================================
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Steve Rindsberg, PPT MVP
> PPT FAQ: www.pptfaq.com
> PPTools: www.pptools.com
> ================================================
>
>
>

"Judy P." wrote:

> I have PowerPoint slides which need to be read by a screen reader, JAWS, for
> accessibility requirements. I have to group multiple images into one, and
> provide web/alternate text. That works fine. To test this, I've been
> advised to Tab through the images on the slide. What I find is that although
> grouped, the individual images are still there. First I stop in the title,
> then the grouped image. Next Tab takes me through the individual components.
> I am expecting that they will be gone. Is that a feature or a bug? Is that
> a setting to turn off? Any help appreciated. Thanks, Judy