Hi there, here it goes,

This is what we want to do:

Update our custom shell. EWF protects partition. No installer component. No
Network.



Short about the Product.

We have a CD/DVD drive, no network access.

The system starts up with a custom shell.

The system partition is protected using EWF.

The second partition will be used to store data.

We do not want that the user has any chance in installing another app. So we
do not have the installer component.

We pretty much want an absolute save system and only our customer shell runs
on it. Nothing else can be added.



Let's consider the rare :-) case that our shell has a bug. How do I update
it?



Using DUA:

I don't have web access so I would need to poll from the CD drive (or maybe
a USB stick). The issue is. That I would send CD's to customers and they
want to update when they get the CD.

Is it possible to trigger the DUA to poll when I want? I don't want to poll
every week / minute / second....

I don't want to commit (EWF) any user changes to the system. Can I disable
EWF copy all the files and than enable EWF. Or do I have to
ewfmgr -restore=0 reboot and than "disable; copy files; enable" ewf?





CD (El Torido):

Is it possible to create a CD that looks to the customer like an
installation CD, which updates:

-Only our custom shell.

-Or the whole image in Partition 1, leaving the 2nd partition as is.



Any thoughts on how to implement an elegant, easy way to update the custom
shell. Best would be that customers pop in the CD and get the new system
without doing anything.



Suggestions are greatly appreciated.



Greetings,



Mick

Hi Mick,

This can be done. (We have created similar update solution for our product).

We don't use DUA. Our update application is capable of updating our programs
and drivers.

Regarding EWF.
When you start update you can commit EWF overlay. And when you gracefully
reboot your device all changes that you have made up to that point will be
saved to disk. (no need to disable or enable ewf but you need to reboot
device).

For updating your device image you can create El-torito or RAM boot solution
(from CD, USB stick or network) with your update/install wizard that will
reimage/or update your device software.

This is easy for user, but you will need time to create this solution
(mostly programming time).

Regards,
Slobodan

"Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:elh5PG5#(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi there, here it goes,
>
> This is what we want to do:
>
> Update our custom shell. EWF protects partition. No installer component.
No
> Network.
>
>
>
> Short about the Product.
>
> We have a CD/DVD drive, no network access.
>
> The system starts up with a custom shell.
>
> The system partition is protected using EWF.
>
> The second partition will be used to store data.
>
> We do not want that the user has any chance in installing another app. So
we
> do not have the installer component.
>
> We pretty much want an absolute save system and only our customer shell
runs
> on it. Nothing else can be added.
>
>
>
> Let's consider the rare :-) case that our shell has a bug. How do I update
> it?
>
>
>
> Using DUA:
>
> I don't have web access so I would need to poll from the CD drive (or
maybe
> a USB stick). The issue is. That I would send CD's to customers and they
> want to update when they get the CD.
>
> Is it possible to trigger the DUA to poll when I want? I don't want to
poll
> every week / minute / second....
>
> I don't want to commit (EWF) any user changes to the system. Can I disable
> EWF copy all the files and than enable EWF. Or do I have to
> ewfmgr -restore=0 reboot and than "disable; copy files; enable" ewf?
>
>
>
>
>
> CD (El Torido):
>
> Is it possible to create a CD that looks to the customer like an
> installation CD, which updates:
>
> -Only our custom shell.
>
> -Or the whole image in Partition 1, leaving the 2nd partition as is.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on how to implement an elegant, easy way to update the custom
> shell. Best would be that customers pop in the CD and get the new system
> without doing anything.
>
>
>
> Suggestions are greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
>
>
> Mick
>
>

Slobodan,
Thanks for the response.

I did not create an El-torito image yet, but hopefully have time to do that
this week. Is there a utility, like sdi2hd, that would copy my new image
from the cd to the 1st partition on the harddrive. Without formatting the
whole drive?

Would I do something like that in order to update my shell:
Create an El-torito image with a custom shell (this is my updating/installer
shell)
The shell would start copying all the files needed to be updated.
ewfmgr -commit
and reboot.

But I don't want to do a commit, since I don't know what the user changed.
If my update shell gets rid of all the overlays (restore=0) I need to reboot
the system. But how do I know that I just did that?

Any suggestion?

Thanks,

Mick

"Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%23cANj15%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi Mick,
>
> This can be done. (We have created similar update solution for our
product).
>
> We don't use DUA. Our update application is capable of updating our
programs
> and drivers.
>
> Regarding EWF.
> When you start update you can commit EWF overlay. And when you gracefully
> reboot your device all changes that you have made up to that point will be
> saved to disk. (no need to disable or enable ewf but you need to reboot
> device).
>
> For updating your device image you can create El-torito or RAM boot
solution
> (from CD, USB stick or network) with your update/install wizard that will
> reimage/or update your device software.
>
> This is easy for user, but you will need time to create this solution
> (mostly programming time).
>
> Regards,
> Slobodan
>
> "Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:elh5PG5#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hi there, here it goes,
> >
> > This is what we want to do:
> >
> > Update our custom shell. EWF protects partition. No installer component.
> No
> > Network.
> >
> >
> >
> > Short about the Product.
> >
> > We have a CD/DVD drive, no network access.
> >
> > The system starts up with a custom shell.
> >
> > The system partition is protected using EWF.
> >
> > The second partition will be used to store data.
> >
> > We do not want that the user has any chance in installing another app.
So
> we
> > do not have the installer component.
> >
> > We pretty much want an absolute save system and only our customer shell
> runs
> > on it. Nothing else can be added.
> >
> >
> >
> > Let's consider the rare :-) case that our shell has a bug. How do I
update
> > it?
> >
> >
> >
> > Using DUA:
> >
> > I don't have web access so I would need to poll from the CD drive (or
> maybe
> > a USB stick). The issue is. That I would send CD's to customers and they
> > want to update when they get the CD.
> >
> > Is it possible to trigger the DUA to poll when I want? I don't want to
> poll
> > every week / minute / second....
> >
> > I don't want to commit (EWF) any user changes to the system. Can I
disable
> > EWF copy all the files and than enable EWF. Or do I have to
> > ewfmgr -restore=0 reboot and than "disable; copy files; enable" ewf?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > CD (El Torido):
> >
> > Is it possible to create a CD that looks to the customer like an
> > installation CD, which updates:
> >
> > -Only our custom shell.
> >
> > -Or the whole image in Partition 1, leaving the 2nd partition as is.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any thoughts on how to implement an elegant, easy way to update the
custom
> > shell. Best would be that customers pop in the CD and get the new system
> > without doing anything.
> >
> >
> >
> > Suggestions are greatly appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> >
> >
> > Mick
> >
> >
>
>

> I did not create an El-torito image yet, but hopefully have time to do
that
> this week. Is there a utility, like sdi2hd, that would copy my new image
> from the cd to the 1st partition on the harddrive. Without formatting the
> whole drive?


There are tools like ghost from Symantech that can do this.

> Would I do something like that in order to update my shell:
> Create an El-torito image with a custom shell (this is my
updating/installer
> shell)
> The shell would start copying all the files needed to be updated.
> ewfmgr -commit
> and reboot.

If you are using RAM EWF in your XPe.
And then you boot from CD, you can safely access disk and update files,
since EWF and overlay are not active since XPe located on disk is not
active.

So no need for refmgr. If you chose to use disk overlay then it would be a
problem.

> But I don't want to do a commit, since I don't know what the user changed.
> If my update shell gets rid of all the overlays (restore=0) I need to
reboot
> the system. But how do I know that I just did that?
>
> Any suggestion?

If you are planning to use diskoverlay, then I don't know how to accomplish
this.
One possible way is to disable disk overlay from XPe before going to update.

Regards,
Slobodan

> Thanks,
>
> Mick
>
> "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%23cANj15%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hi Mick,
> >
> > This can be done. (We have created similar update solution for our
> product).
> >
> > We don't use DUA. Our update application is capable of updating our
> programs
> > and drivers.
> >
> > Regarding EWF.
> > When you start update you can commit EWF overlay. And when you
gracefully
> > reboot your device all changes that you have made up to that point will
be
> > saved to disk. (no need to disable or enable ewf but you need to reboot
> > device).
> >
> > For updating your device image you can create El-torito or RAM boot
> solution
> > (from CD, USB stick or network) with your update/install wizard that
will
> > reimage/or update your device software.
> >
> > This is easy for user, but you will need time to create this solution
> > (mostly programming time).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Slobodan
> >
> > "Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:elh5PG5#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > Hi there, here it goes,
> > >
> > > This is what we want to do:
> > >
> > > Update our custom shell. EWF protects partition. No installer
component.
> > No
> > > Network.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Short about the Product.
> > >
> > > We have a CD/DVD drive, no network access.
> > >
> > > The system starts up with a custom shell.
> > >
> > > The system partition is protected using EWF.
> > >
> > > The second partition will be used to store data.
> > >
> > > We do not want that the user has any chance in installing another app.
> So
> > we
> > > do not have the installer component.
> > >
> > > We pretty much want an absolute save system and only our customer
shell
> > runs
> > > on it. Nothing else can be added.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Let's consider the rare :-) case that our shell has a bug. How do I
> update
> > > it?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Using DUA:
> > >
> > > I don't have web access so I would need to poll from the CD drive (or
> > maybe
> > > a USB stick). The issue is. That I would send CD's to customers and
they
> > > want to update when they get the CD.
> > >
> > > Is it possible to trigger the DUA to poll when I want? I don't want to
> > poll
> > > every week / minute / second....
> > >
> > > I don't want to commit (EWF) any user changes to the system. Can I
> disable
> > > EWF copy all the files and than enable EWF. Or do I have to
> > > ewfmgr -restore=0 reboot and than "disable; copy files; enable" ewf?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > CD (El Torido):
> > >
> > > Is it possible to create a CD that looks to the customer like an
> > > installation CD, which updates:
> > >
> > > -Only our custom shell.
> > >
> > > -Or the whole image in Partition 1, leaving the 2nd partition as is.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Any thoughts on how to implement an elegant, easy way to update the
> custom
> > > shell. Best would be that customers pop in the CD and get the new
system
> > > without doing anything.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Suggestions are greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Mick
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Slobodan,
Thanks. I am not quite sure yet if we will use disk or RAM EWF. But I think
RAM is the way to go for us.

Isn't the scenario the same for disk overlay? If I boot from CD the EWF on
the disk will not be active. I could copy/update all files onto the disk.
Any thoughts on that?

Mick

"Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%23KclaJ8%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I did not create an El-torito image yet, but hopefully have time to do
> that
> > this week. Is there a utility, like sdi2hd, that would copy my new image
> > from the cd to the 1st partition on the harddrive. Without formatting
the
> > whole drive?
>
>
> There are tools like ghost from Symantech that can do this.
>
> > Would I do something like that in order to update my shell:
> > Create an El-torito image with a custom shell (this is my
> updating/installer
> > shell)
> > The shell would start copying all the files needed to be updated.
> > ewfmgr -commit
> > and reboot.
>
> If you are using RAM EWF in your XPe.
> And then you boot from CD, you can safely access disk and update files,
> since EWF and overlay are not active since XPe located on disk is not
> active.
>
> So no need for refmgr. If you chose to use disk overlay then it would be a
> problem.
>
> > But I don't want to do a commit, since I don't know what the user
changed.
> > If my update shell gets rid of all the overlays (restore=0) I need to
> reboot
> > the system. But how do I know that I just did that?
> >
> > Any suggestion?
>
> If you are planning to use diskoverlay, then I don't know how to
accomplish
> this.
> One possible way is to disable disk overlay from XPe before going to
update.
>
> Regards,
> Slobodan
>
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mick
> >
> > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:%23cANj15%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > Hi Mick,
> > >
> > > This can be done. (We have created similar update solution for our
> > product).
> > >
> > > We don't use DUA. Our update application is capable of updating our
> > programs
> > > and drivers.
> > >
> > > Regarding EWF.
> > > When you start update you can commit EWF overlay. And when you
> gracefully
> > > reboot your device all changes that you have made up to that point
will
> be
> > > saved to disk. (no need to disable or enable ewf but you need to
reboot
> > > device).
> > >
> > > For updating your device image you can create El-torito or RAM boot
> > solution
> > > (from CD, USB stick or network) with your update/install wizard that
> will
> > > reimage/or update your device software.
> > >
> > > This is easy for user, but you will need time to create this solution
> > > (mostly programming time).
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Slobodan
> > >
> > > "Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:elh5PG5#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > Hi there, here it goes,
> > > >
> > > > This is what we want to do:
> > > >
> > > > Update our custom shell. EWF protects partition. No installer
> component.
> > > No
> > > > Network.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Short about the Product.
> > > >
> > > > We have a CD/DVD drive, no network access.
> > > >
> > > > The system starts up with a custom shell.
> > > >
> > > > The system partition is protected using EWF.
> > > >
> > > > The second partition will be used to store data.
> > > >
> > > > We do not want that the user has any chance in installing another
app.
> > So
> > > we
> > > > do not have the installer component.
> > > >
> > > > We pretty much want an absolute save system and only our customer
> shell
> > > runs
> > > > on it. Nothing else can be added.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Let's consider the rare :-) case that our shell has a bug. How do I
> > update
> > > > it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Using DUA:
> > > >
> > > > I don't have web access so I would need to poll from the CD drive
(or
> > > maybe
> > > > a USB stick). The issue is. That I would send CD's to customers and
> they
> > > > want to update when they get the CD.
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible to trigger the DUA to poll when I want? I don't want
to
> > > poll
> > > > every week / minute / second....
> > > >
> > > > I don't want to commit (EWF) any user changes to the system. Can I
> > disable
> > > > EWF copy all the files and than enable EWF. Or do I have to
> > > > ewfmgr -restore=0 reboot and than "disable; copy files; enable" ewf?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > CD (El Torido):
> > > >
> > > > Is it possible to create a CD that looks to the customer like an
> > > > installation CD, which updates:
> > > >
> > > > -Only our custom shell.
> > > >
> > > > -Or the whole image in Partition 1, leaving the 2nd partition as is.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any thoughts on how to implement an elegant, easy way to update the
> > custom
> > > > shell. Best would be that customers pop in the CD and get the new
> system
> > > > without doing anything.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Suggestions are greatly appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Greetings,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Mick
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

> Isn't the scenario the same for disk overlay? If I boot from CD the EWF on
> the disk will not be active. I could copy/update all files onto the disk.
> Any thoughts on that?

Consider that you have changed some file with disk overlay active.
Changes would be saved in disk overlay.

not if you choose to modify this file offline, It would become corrupted,
since you would change file content, but overlay would contain changes made
in XPe.

You would need to disable disk overlay before you update files offline.

Regards,
Slobodan


"Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:uwXEo3E$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Slobodan,
> Thanks. I am not quite sure yet if we will use disk or RAM EWF. But I
think
> RAM is the way to go for us.
>
> Isn't the scenario the same for disk overlay? If I boot from CD the EWF on
> the disk will not be active. I could copy/update all files onto the disk.
> Any thoughts on that?
>
> Mick
>
> "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%23KclaJ8%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > I did not create an El-torito image yet, but hopefully have time to do
> > that
> > > this week. Is there a utility, like sdi2hd, that would copy my new
image
> > > from the cd to the 1st partition on the harddrive. Without formatting
> the
> > > whole drive?
> >
> >
> > There are tools like ghost from Symantech that can do this.
> >
> > > Would I do something like that in order to update my shell:
> > > Create an El-torito image with a custom shell (this is my
> > updating/installer
> > > shell)
> > > The shell would start copying all the files needed to be updated.
> > > ewfmgr -commit
> > > and reboot.
> >
> > If you are using RAM EWF in your XPe.
> > And then you boot from CD, you can safely access disk and update files,
> > since EWF and overlay are not active since XPe located on disk is not
> > active.
> >
> > So no need for refmgr. If you chose to use disk overlay then it would be
a
> > problem.
> >
> > > But I don't want to do a commit, since I don't know what the user
> changed.
> > > If my update shell gets rid of all the overlays (restore=0) I need to
> > reboot
> > > the system. But how do I know that I just did that?
> > >
> > > Any suggestion?
> >
> > If you are planning to use diskoverlay, then I don't know how to
> accomplish
> > this.
> > One possible way is to disable disk overlay from XPe before going to
> update.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Slobodan
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Mick
> > >
> > > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:%23cANj15%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > Hi Mick,
> > > >
> > > > This can be done. (We have created similar update solution for our
> > > product).
> > > >
> > > > We don't use DUA. Our update application is capable of updating our
> > > programs
> > > > and drivers.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding EWF.
> > > > When you start update you can commit EWF overlay. And when you
> > gracefully
> > > > reboot your device all changes that you have made up to that point
> will
> > be
> > > > saved to disk. (no need to disable or enable ewf but you need to
> reboot
> > > > device).
> > > >
> > > > For updating your device image you can create El-torito or RAM boot
> > > solution
> > > > (from CD, USB stick or network) with your update/install wizard
that
> > will
> > > > reimage/or update your device software.
> > > >
> > > > This is easy for user, but you will need time to create this
solution
> > > > (mostly programming time).
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Slobodan
> > > >
> > > > "Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > news:elh5PG5#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > Hi there, here it goes,
> > > > >
> > > > > This is what we want to do:
> > > > >
> > > > > Update our custom shell. EWF protects partition. No installer
> > component.
> > > > No
> > > > > Network.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Short about the Product.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have a CD/DVD drive, no network access.
> > > > >
> > > > > The system starts up with a custom shell.
> > > > >
> > > > > The system partition is protected using EWF.
> > > > >
> > > > > The second partition will be used to store data.
> > > > >
> > > > > We do not want that the user has any chance in installing another
> app.
> > > So
> > > > we
> > > > > do not have the installer component.
> > > > >
> > > > > We pretty much want an absolute save system and only our customer
> > shell
> > > > runs
> > > > > on it. Nothing else can be added.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's consider the rare :-) case that our shell has a bug. How do
I
> > > update
> > > > > it?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Using DUA:
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't have web access so I would need to poll from the CD drive
> (or
> > > > maybe
> > > > > a USB stick). The issue is. That I would send CD's to customers
and
> > they
> > > > > want to update when they get the CD.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it possible to trigger the DUA to poll when I want? I don't
want
> to
> > > > poll
> > > > > every week / minute / second....
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't want to commit (EWF) any user changes to the system. Can I
> > > disable
> > > > > EWF copy all the files and than enable EWF. Or do I have to
> > > > > ewfmgr -restore=0 reboot and than "disable; copy files; enable"
ewf?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > CD (El Torido):
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it possible to create a CD that looks to the customer like an
> > > > > installation CD, which updates:
> > > > >
> > > > > -Only our custom shell.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Or the whole image in Partition 1, leaving the 2nd partition as
is.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Any thoughts on how to implement an elegant, easy way to update
the
> > > custom
> > > > > shell. Best would be that customers pop in the CD and get the new
> > system
> > > > > without doing anything.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Suggestions are greatly appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mick
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Slobodan,

You are right that is true with the overlays! Well, I most likely end up
using RAM overlay anyway.
But if I create a bootable disk with a custom installer shell. Don't I have
to license each CD I produce and send to customers?

I have some questions about the IMAPI cd burning and will start a new thread
soon. I saw that you posted quite a bit on it already. If the IMAPI
component is included (CDFS and CD-rom too) and the imapi service is
started. Can I just drag and drop files on my burner and it will burn them
on disk. I guess I need to write an application for it, right?
What is it with all those Cd-rom components that have (IMAPI settings x,x)
???
Well I guess I couldn't stop writing :-)

Greetings and Thanks,

Mick


"Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Opd7HoG$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Isn't the scenario the same for disk overlay? If I boot from CD the EWF
on
> > the disk will not be active. I could copy/update all files onto the
disk.
> > Any thoughts on that?
>
> Consider that you have changed some file with disk overlay active.
> Changes would be saved in disk overlay.
>
> not if you choose to modify this file offline, It would become corrupted,
> since you would change file content, but overlay would contain changes
made
> in XPe.
>
> You would need to disable disk overlay before you update files offline.
>
> Regards,
> Slobodan
>
>
> "Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:uwXEo3E$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Slobodan,
> > Thanks. I am not quite sure yet if we will use disk or RAM EWF. But I
> think
> > RAM is the way to go for us.
> >
> > Isn't the scenario the same for disk overlay? If I boot from CD the EWF
on
> > the disk will not be active. I could copy/update all files onto the
disk.
> > Any thoughts on that?
> >
> > Mick
> >
> > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:%23KclaJ8%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > I did not create an El-torito image yet, but hopefully have time to
do
> > > that
> > > > this week. Is there a utility, like sdi2hd, that would copy my new
> image
> > > > from the cd to the 1st partition on the harddrive. Without
formatting
> > the
> > > > whole drive?
> > >
> > >
> > > There are tools like ghost from Symantech that can do this.
> > >
> > > > Would I do something like that in order to update my shell:
> > > > Create an El-torito image with a custom shell (this is my
> > > updating/installer
> > > > shell)
> > > > The shell would start copying all the files needed to be updated.
> > > > ewfmgr -commit
> > > > and reboot.
> > >
> > > If you are using RAM EWF in your XPe.
> > > And then you boot from CD, you can safely access disk and update
files,
> > > since EWF and overlay are not active since XPe located on disk is not
> > > active.
> > >
> > > So no need for refmgr. If you chose to use disk overlay then it would
be
> a
> > > problem.
> > >
> > > > But I don't want to do a commit, since I don't know what the user
> > changed.
> > > > If my update shell gets rid of all the overlays (restore=0) I need
to
> > > reboot
> > > > the system. But how do I know that I just did that?
> > > >
> > > > Any suggestion?
> > >
> > > If you are planning to use diskoverlay, then I don't know how to
> > accomplish
> > > this.
> > > One possible way is to disable disk overlay from XPe before going to
> > update.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Slobodan
> > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Mick
> > > >
> > > > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > news:%23cANj15%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > Hi Mick,
> > > > >
> > > > > This can be done. (We have created similar update solution for our
> > > > product).
> > > > >
> > > > > We don't use DUA. Our update application is capable of updating
our
> > > > programs
> > > > > and drivers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regarding EWF.
> > > > > When you start update you can commit EWF overlay. And when you
> > > gracefully
> > > > > reboot your device all changes that you have made up to that point
> > will
> > > be
> > > > > saved to disk. (no need to disable or enable ewf but you need to
> > reboot
> > > > > device).
> > > > >
> > > > > For updating your device image you can create El-torito or RAM
boot
> > > > solution
> > > > > (from CD, USB stick or network) with your update/install wizard
> that
> > > will
> > > > > reimage/or update your device software.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is easy for user, but you will need time to create this
> solution
> > > > > (mostly programming time).
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Slobodan
> > > > >
> > > > > "Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > news:elh5PG5#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > Hi there, here it goes,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is what we want to do:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Update our custom shell. EWF protects partition. No installer
> > > component.
> > > > > No
> > > > > > Network.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Short about the Product.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We have a CD/DVD drive, no network access.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The system starts up with a custom shell.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The system partition is protected using EWF.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The second partition will be used to store data.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We do not want that the user has any chance in installing
another
> > app.
> > > > So
> > > > > we
> > > > > > do not have the installer component.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We pretty much want an absolute save system and only our
customer
> > > shell
> > > > > runs
> > > > > > on it. Nothing else can be added.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let's consider the rare :-) case that our shell has a bug. How
do
> I
> > > > update
> > > > > > it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Using DUA:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't have web access so I would need to poll from the CD
drive
> > (or
> > > > > maybe
> > > > > > a USB stick). The issue is. That I would send CD's to customers
> and
> > > they
> > > > > > want to update when they get the CD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it possible to trigger the DUA to poll when I want? I don't
> want
> > to
> > > > > poll
> > > > > > every week / minute / second....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't want to commit (EWF) any user changes to the system. Can
I
> > > > disable
> > > > > > EWF copy all the files and than enable EWF. Or do I have to
> > > > > > ewfmgr -restore=0 reboot and than "disable; copy files; enable"
> ewf?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CD (El Torido):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is it possible to create a CD that looks to the customer like an
> > > > > > installation CD, which updates:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Only our custom shell.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Or the whole image in Partition 1, leaving the 2nd partition as
> is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any thoughts on how to implement an elegant, easy way to update
> the
> > > > custom
> > > > > > shell. Best would be that customers pop in the CD and get the
new
> > > system
> > > > > > without doing anything.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Suggestions are greatly appreciated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mick
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Mick,

Since you license devices not mediums, I think that we don't have to license
CD.
And since device will run only one XPe image at a time, this should be ok.
You can put some nice EULA at the beginning of install wizard that will
forbid usage of this CD on devices that were not made and licensed by you.
Also you can make some hardware protection that is not present will prevent
installation.

You have support for Drag and Drop burning, but I don't use it since it
requires explorer (and probably explorer shell), and it would make huge
image at the end.

I'm using IMAPI from our program for burning video content to CD.
But problem is that this can't be used for DVD recording.

Regards,
Slobodan


"Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:uFPXDMH$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Slobodan,
>
> You are right that is true with the overlays! Well, I most likely end up
> using RAM overlay anyway.
> But if I create a bootable disk with a custom installer shell. Don't I
have
> to license each CD I produce and send to customers?
>
> I have some questions about the IMAPI cd burning and will start a new
thread
> soon. I saw that you posted quite a bit on it already. If the IMAPI
> component is included (CDFS and CD-rom too) and the imapi service is
> started. Can I just drag and drop files on my burner and it will burn them
> on disk. I guess I need to write an application for it, right?
> What is it with all those Cd-rom components that have (IMAPI settings x,x)
> ???
> Well I guess I couldn't stop writing :-)
>
> Greetings and Thanks,
>
> Mick
>
>
> "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:Opd7HoG$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > Isn't the scenario the same for disk overlay? If I boot from CD the
EWF
> on
> > > the disk will not be active. I could copy/update all files onto the
> disk.
> > > Any thoughts on that?
> >
> > Consider that you have changed some file with disk overlay active.
> > Changes would be saved in disk overlay.
> >
> > not if you choose to modify this file offline, It would become
corrupted,
> > since you would change file content, but overlay would contain changes
> made
> > in XPe.
> >
> > You would need to disable disk overlay before you update files offline.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Slobodan
> >
> >
> > "Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:uwXEo3E$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > Slobodan,
> > > Thanks. I am not quite sure yet if we will use disk or RAM EWF. But I
> > think
> > > RAM is the way to go for us.
> > >
> > > Isn't the scenario the same for disk overlay? If I boot from CD the
EWF
> on
> > > the disk will not be active. I could copy/update all files onto the
> disk.
> > > Any thoughts on that?
> > >
> > > Mick
> > >
> > > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:%23KclaJ8%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > I did not create an El-torito image yet, but hopefully have time
to
> do
> > > > that
> > > > > this week. Is there a utility, like sdi2hd, that would copy my new
> > image
> > > > > from the cd to the 1st partition on the harddrive. Without
> formatting
> > > the
> > > > > whole drive?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > There are tools like ghost from Symantech that can do this.
> > > >
> > > > > Would I do something like that in order to update my shell:
> > > > > Create an El-torito image with a custom shell (this is my
> > > > updating/installer
> > > > > shell)
> > > > > The shell would start copying all the files needed to be updated.
> > > > > ewfmgr -commit
> > > > > and reboot.
> > > >
> > > > If you are using RAM EWF in your XPe.
> > > > And then you boot from CD, you can safely access disk and update
> files,
> > > > since EWF and overlay are not active since XPe located on disk is
not
> > > > active.
> > > >
> > > > So no need for refmgr. If you chose to use disk overlay then it
would
> be
> > a
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > > > But I don't want to do a commit, since I don't know what the user
> > > changed.
> > > > > If my update shell gets rid of all the overlays (restore=0) I need
> to
> > > > reboot
> > > > > the system. But how do I know that I just did that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any suggestion?
> > > >
> > > > If you are planning to use diskoverlay, then I don't know how to
> > > accomplish
> > > > this.
> > > > One possible way is to disable disk overlay from XPe before going to
> > > update.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Slobodan
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mick
> > > > >
> > > > > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > news:%23cANj15%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > Hi Mick,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This can be done. (We have created similar update solution for
our
> > > > > product).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We don't use DUA. Our update application is capable of updating
> our
> > > > > programs
> > > > > > and drivers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regarding EWF.
> > > > > > When you start update you can commit EWF overlay. And when you
> > > > gracefully
> > > > > > reboot your device all changes that you have made up to that
point
> > > will
> > > > be
> > > > > > saved to disk. (no need to disable or enable ewf but you need to
> > > reboot
> > > > > > device).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For updating your device image you can create El-torito or RAM
> boot
> > > > > solution
> > > > > > (from CD, USB stick or network) with your update/install wizard
> > that
> > > > will
> > > > > > reimage/or update your device software.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is easy for user, but you will need time to create this
> > solution
> > > > > > (mostly programming time).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Slobodan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:elh5PG5#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > > Hi there, here it goes,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is what we want to do:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Update our custom shell. EWF protects partition. No installer
> > > > component.
> > > > > > No
> > > > > > > Network.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Short about the Product.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We have a CD/DVD drive, no network access.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The system starts up with a custom shell.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The system partition is protected using EWF.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The second partition will be used to store data.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We do not want that the user has any chance in installing
> another
> > > app.
> > > > > So
> > > > > > we
> > > > > > > do not have the installer component.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We pretty much want an absolute save system and only our
> customer
> > > > shell
> > > > > > runs
> > > > > > > on it. Nothing else can be added.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let's consider the rare :-) case that our shell has a bug. How
> do
> > I
> > > > > update
> > > > > > > it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Using DUA:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't have web access so I would need to poll from the CD
> drive
> > > (or
> > > > > > maybe
> > > > > > > a USB stick). The issue is. That I would send CD's to
customers
> > and
> > > > they
> > > > > > > want to update when they get the CD.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is it possible to trigger the DUA to poll when I want? I don't
> > want
> > > to
> > > > > > poll
> > > > > > > every week / minute / second....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't want to commit (EWF) any user changes to the system.
Can
> I
> > > > > disable
> > > > > > > EWF copy all the files and than enable EWF. Or do I have to
> > > > > > > ewfmgr -restore=0 reboot and than "disable; copy files;
enable"
> > ewf?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > CD (El Torido):
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is it possible to create a CD that looks to the customer like
an
> > > > > > > installation CD, which updates:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Only our custom shell.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Or the whole image in Partition 1, leaving the 2nd partition
as
> > is.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any thoughts on how to implement an elegant, easy way to
update
> > the
> > > > > custom
> > > > > > > shell. Best would be that customers pop in the CD and get the
> new
> > > > system
> > > > > > > without doing anything.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Suggestions are greatly appreciated.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mick
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Slobodan,
at the end I also want to burn CD's directly from our custom shell without
showing any MS windows. Is that possible/easy to do? I do have the Explorer
in my image but it still won't burn. I guess I forgot a component.

To the MS people: will there be a DVD burn component -> Longhornstyle

Greetings,

Mick

"Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:OlvkmgH$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Mick,
>
> Since you license devices not mediums, I think that we don't have to
license
> CD.
> And since device will run only one XPe image at a time, this should be ok.
> You can put some nice EULA at the beginning of install wizard that will
> forbid usage of this CD on devices that were not made and licensed by you.
> Also you can make some hardware protection that is not present will
prevent
> installation.
>
> You have support for Drag and Drop burning, but I don't use it since it
> requires explorer (and probably explorer shell), and it would make huge
> image at the end.
>
> I'm using IMAPI from our program for burning video content to CD.
> But problem is that this can't be used for DVD recording.
>
> Regards,
> Slobodan
>
>
> "Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:uFPXDMH$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Slobodan,
> >
> > You are right that is true with the overlays! Well, I most likely end up
> > using RAM overlay anyway.
> > But if I create a bootable disk with a custom installer shell. Don't I
> have
> > to license each CD I produce and send to customers?
> >
> > I have some questions about the IMAPI cd burning and will start a new
> thread
> > soon. I saw that you posted quite a bit on it already. If the IMAPI
> > component is included (CDFS and CD-rom too) and the imapi service is
> > started. Can I just drag and drop files on my burner and it will burn
them
> > on disk. I guess I need to write an application for it, right?
> > What is it with all those Cd-rom components that have (IMAPI settings
x,x)
> > ???
> > Well I guess I couldn't stop writing :-)
> >
> > Greetings and Thanks,
> >
> > Mick
> >
> >
> > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:Opd7HoG$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > Isn't the scenario the same for disk overlay? If I boot from CD the
> EWF
> > on
> > > > the disk will not be active. I could copy/update all files onto the
> > disk.
> > > > Any thoughts on that?
> > >
> > > Consider that you have changed some file with disk overlay active.
> > > Changes would be saved in disk overlay.
> > >
> > > not if you choose to modify this file offline, It would become
> corrupted,
> > > since you would change file content, but overlay would contain changes
> > made
> > > in XPe.
> > >
> > > You would need to disable disk overlay before you update files
offline.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Slobodan
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:uwXEo3E$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > Slobodan,
> > > > Thanks. I am not quite sure yet if we will use disk or RAM EWF. But
I
> > > think
> > > > RAM is the way to go for us.
> > > >
> > > > Isn't the scenario the same for disk overlay? If I boot from CD the
> EWF
> > on
> > > > the disk will not be active. I could copy/update all files onto the
> > disk.
> > > > Any thoughts on that?
> > > >
> > > > Mick
> > > >
> > > > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > news:%23KclaJ8%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > I did not create an El-torito image yet, but hopefully have time
> to
> > do
> > > > > that
> > > > > > this week. Is there a utility, like sdi2hd, that would copy my
new
> > > image
> > > > > > from the cd to the 1st partition on the harddrive. Without
> > formatting
> > > > the
> > > > > > whole drive?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There are tools like ghost from Symantech that can do this.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Would I do something like that in order to update my shell:
> > > > > > Create an El-torito image with a custom shell (this is my
> > > > > updating/installer
> > > > > > shell)
> > > > > > The shell would start copying all the files needed to be
updated.
> > > > > > ewfmgr -commit
> > > > > > and reboot.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are using RAM EWF in your XPe.
> > > > > And then you boot from CD, you can safely access disk and update
> > files,
> > > > > since EWF and overlay are not active since XPe located on disk is
> not
> > > > > active.
> > > > >
> > > > > So no need for refmgr. If you chose to use disk overlay then it
> would
> > be
> > > a
> > > > > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > > But I don't want to do a commit, since I don't know what the
user
> > > > changed.
> > > > > > If my update shell gets rid of all the overlays (restore=0) I
need
> > to
> > > > > reboot
> > > > > > the system. But how do I know that I just did that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any suggestion?
> > > > >
> > > > > If you are planning to use diskoverlay, then I don't know how to
> > > > accomplish
> > > > > this.
> > > > > One possible way is to disable disk overlay from XPe before going
to
> > > > update.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Slobodan
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mick
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:%23cANj15%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > > Hi Mick,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This can be done. (We have created similar update solution for
> our
> > > > > > product).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We don't use DUA. Our update application is capable of
updating
> > our
> > > > > > programs
> > > > > > > and drivers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regarding EWF.
> > > > > > > When you start update you can commit EWF overlay. And when you
> > > > > gracefully
> > > > > > > reboot your device all changes that you have made up to that
> point
> > > > will
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > saved to disk. (no need to disable or enable ewf but you need
to
> > > > reboot
> > > > > > > device).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For updating your device image you can create El-torito or RAM
> > boot
> > > > > > solution
> > > > > > > (from CD, USB stick or network) with your update/install
wizard
> > > that
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > reimage/or update your device software.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is easy for user, but you will need time to create this
> > > solution
> > > > > > > (mostly programming time).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Slobodan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:elh5PG5#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > > > Hi there, here it goes,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is what we want to do:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Update our custom shell. EWF protects partition. No
installer
> > > > > component.
> > > > > > > No
> > > > > > > > Network.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Short about the Product.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We have a CD/DVD drive, no network access.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The system starts up with a custom shell.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The system partition is protected using EWF.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The second partition will be used to store data.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We do not want that the user has any chance in installing
> > another
> > > > app.
> > > > > > So
> > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > do not have the installer component.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We pretty much want an absolute save system and only our
> > customer
> > > > > shell
> > > > > > > runs
> > > > > > > > on it. Nothing else can be added.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Let's consider the rare :-) case that our shell has a bug.
How
> > do
> > > I
> > > > > > update
> > > > > > > > it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Using DUA:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't have web access so I would need to poll from the CD
> > drive
> > > > (or
> > > > > > > maybe
> > > > > > > > a USB stick). The issue is. That I would send CD's to
> customers
> > > and
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > > want to update when they get the CD.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is it possible to trigger the DUA to poll when I want? I
don't
> > > want
> > > > to
> > > > > > > poll
> > > > > > > > every week / minute / second....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't want to commit (EWF) any user changes to the system.
> Can
> > I
> > > > > > disable
> > > > > > > > EWF copy all the files and than enable EWF. Or do I have to
> > > > > > > > ewfmgr -restore=0 reboot and than "disable; copy files;
> enable"
> > > ewf?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > CD (El Torido):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is it possible to create a CD that looks to the customer
like
> an
> > > > > > > > installation CD, which updates:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Only our custom shell.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -Or the whole image in Partition 1, leaving the 2nd
partition
> as
> > > is.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any thoughts on how to implement an elegant, easy way to
> update
> > > the
> > > > > > custom
> > > > > > > > shell. Best would be that customers pop in the CD and get
the
> > new
> > > > > system
> > > > > > > > without doing anything.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Suggestions are greatly appreciated.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mick
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Mick,

This thread changed subject. You should create a new thread.
If you want to write CD from your application then you can use minlogon
build without explorer in your image

Is it easy to do? I don't know. I lost five days to make burning
application. You might need from 2 to infinite number of days, everything is
possible depending on your knowledge.

Start by familiarizing yourself with:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/vcsharp/te...n/default.aspx
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...us/devio/base/
image_mastering_api.asp

Regards,
Slobodan


"Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:#VbfowH$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Slobodan,
> at the end I also want to burn CD's directly from our custom shell without
> showing any MS windows. Is that possible/easy to do? I do have the
Explorer
> in my image but it still won't burn. I guess I forgot a component.
>
> To the MS people: will there be a DVD burn component -> Longhornstyle
>
> Greetings,
>
> Mick
>
> "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:OlvkmgH$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Mick,
> >
> > Since you license devices not mediums, I think that we don't have to
> license
> > CD.
> > And since device will run only one XPe image at a time, this should be
ok.
> > You can put some nice EULA at the beginning of install wizard that will
> > forbid usage of this CD on devices that were not made and licensed by
you.
> > Also you can make some hardware protection that is not present will
> prevent
> > installation.
> >
> > You have support for Drag and Drop burning, but I don't use it since it
> > requires explorer (and probably explorer shell), and it would make huge
> > image at the end.
> >
> > I'm using IMAPI from our program for burning video content to CD.
> > But problem is that this can't be used for DVD recording.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Slobodan
> >
> >
> > "Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:uFPXDMH$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > Slobodan,
> > >
> > > You are right that is true with the overlays! Well, I most likely end
up
> > > using RAM overlay anyway.
> > > But if I create a bootable disk with a custom installer shell. Don't I
> > have
> > > to license each CD I produce and send to customers?
> > >
> > > I have some questions about the IMAPI cd burning and will start a new
> > thread
> > > soon. I saw that you posted quite a bit on it already. If the IMAPI
> > > component is included (CDFS and CD-rom too) and the imapi service is
> > > started. Can I just drag and drop files on my burner and it will burn
> them
> > > on disk. I guess I need to write an application for it, right?
> > > What is it with all those Cd-rom components that have (IMAPI settings
> x,x)
> > > ???
> > > Well I guess I couldn't stop writing :-)
> > >
> > > Greetings and Thanks,
> > >
> > > Mick
> > >
> > >
> > > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:Opd7HoG$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > Isn't the scenario the same for disk overlay? If I boot from CD
the
> > EWF
> > > on
> > > > > the disk will not be active. I could copy/update all files onto
the
> > > disk.
> > > > > Any thoughts on that?
> > > >
> > > > Consider that you have changed some file with disk overlay active.
> > > > Changes would be saved in disk overlay.
> > > >
> > > > not if you choose to modify this file offline, It would become
> > corrupted,
> > > > since you would change file content, but overlay would contain
changes
> > > made
> > > > in XPe.
> > > >
> > > > You would need to disable disk overlay before you update files
> offline.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Slobodan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > news:uwXEo3E$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > Slobodan,
> > > > > Thanks. I am not quite sure yet if we will use disk or RAM EWF.
But
> I
> > > > think
> > > > > RAM is the way to go for us.
> > > > >
> > > > > Isn't the scenario the same for disk overlay? If I boot from CD
the
> > EWF
> > > on
> > > > > the disk will not be active. I could copy/update all files onto
the
> > > disk.
> > > > > Any thoughts on that?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mick
> > > > >
> > > > > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > news:%23KclaJ8%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > > I did not create an El-torito image yet, but hopefully have
time
> > to
> > > do
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > this week. Is there a utility, like sdi2hd, that would copy my
> new
> > > > image
> > > > > > > from the cd to the 1st partition on the harddrive. Without
> > > formatting
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > whole drive?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are tools like ghost from Symantech that can do this.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Would I do something like that in order to update my shell:
> > > > > > > Create an El-torito image with a custom shell (this is my
> > > > > > updating/installer
> > > > > > > shell)
> > > > > > > The shell would start copying all the files needed to be
> updated.
> > > > > > > ewfmgr -commit
> > > > > > > and reboot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you are using RAM EWF in your XPe.
> > > > > > And then you boot from CD, you can safely access disk and update
> > > files,
> > > > > > since EWF and overlay are not active since XPe located on disk
is
> > not
> > > > > > active.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So no need for refmgr. If you chose to use disk overlay then it
> > would
> > > be
> > > > a
> > > > > > problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > But I don't want to do a commit, since I don't know what the
> user
> > > > > changed.
> > > > > > > If my update shell gets rid of all the overlays (restore=0) I
> need
> > > to
> > > > > > reboot
> > > > > > > the system. But how do I know that I just did that?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any suggestion?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you are planning to use diskoverlay, then I don't know how to
> > > > > accomplish
> > > > > > this.
> > > > > > One possible way is to disable disk overlay from XPe before
going
> to
> > > > > update.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Slobodan
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mick
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Slobodan Brcin (eMVP)" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:%23cANj15%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > > > Hi Mick,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This can be done. (We have created similar update solution
for
> > our
> > > > > > > product).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We don't use DUA. Our update application is capable of
> updating
> > > our
> > > > > > > programs
> > > > > > > > and drivers.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regarding EWF.
> > > > > > > > When you start update you can commit EWF overlay. And when
you
> > > > > > gracefully
> > > > > > > > reboot your device all changes that you have made up to that
> > point
> > > > > will
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > saved to disk. (no need to disable or enable ewf but you
need
> to
> > > > > reboot
> > > > > > > > device).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For updating your device image you can create El-torito or
RAM
> > > boot
> > > > > > > solution
> > > > > > > > (from CD, USB stick or network) with your update/install
> wizard
> > > > that
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > reimage/or update your device software.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This is easy for user, but you will need time to create this
> > > > solution
> > > > > > > > (mostly programming time).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > Slobodan
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Mick" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:elh5PG5#(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > > > > > > Hi there, here it goes,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This is what we want to do:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Update our custom shell. EWF protects partition. No
> installer
> > > > > > component.
> > > > > > > > No
> > > > > > > > > Network.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Short about the Product.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We have a CD/DVD drive, no network access.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The system starts up with a custom shell.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The system partition is protected using EWF.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The second partition will be used to store data.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We do not want that the user has any chance in installing
> > > another
> > > > > app.
> > > > > > > So
> > > > > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > do not have the installer component.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > We pretty much want an absolute save system and only our
> > > customer
> > > > > > shell
> > > > > > > > runs
> > > > > > > > > on it. Nothing else can be added.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Let's consider the rare :-) case that our shell has a bug.
> How
> > > do
> > > > I
> > > > > > > update
> > > > > > > > > it?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Using DUA:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't have web access so I would need to poll from the
CD
> > > drive
> > > > > (or
> > > > > > > > maybe
> > > > > > > > > a USB stick). The issue is. That I would send CD's to
> > customers
> > > > and
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > > want to update when they get the CD.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Is it possible to trigger the DUA to poll when I want? I
> don't
> > > > want
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > poll
> > > > > > > > > every week / minute / second....
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't want to commit (EWF) any user changes to the
system.
> > Can
> > > I
> > > > > > > disable
> > > > > > > > > EWF copy all the files and than enable EWF. Or do I have
to
> > > > > > > > > ewfmgr -restore=0 reboot and than "disable; copy files;
> > enable"
> > > > ewf?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > CD (El Torido):
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Is it possible to create a CD that looks to the customer
> like
> > an
> > > > > > > > > installation CD, which updates:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -Only our custom shell.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -Or the whole image in Partition 1, leaving the 2nd
> partition
> > as
> > > > is.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Any thoughts on how to implement an elegant, easy way to
> > update
> > > > the
> > > > > > > custom
> > > > > > > > > shell. Best would be that customers pop in the CD and get
> the
> > > new
> > > > > > system
> > > > > > > > > without doing anything.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Suggestions are greatly appreciated.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Greetings,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mick
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>