Rod Speed wrote:

> Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag, ****wit.
>
>

Isn't that the exact same flame you have been using for the past ten
years? Time to buy the new 'Flaming For Dummies' book as they have now
expanded it beyond one flame.

Rod Speed wrote:

> No one respects rabid loonys

And you should know that better than anyone here.

Franc Zabkar wrote in news:(E-Mail Removed)
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:14:03 GMT, Dave Seven <(E-Mail Removed)>
> put finger to keyboard and composed:
>
> > Yousuf Khan wrote:
> >
> > > However, SMART is one of the most lenient error detection schemes out
> > > there. It usually finds no errors, so if it actually finds something
> > > then it's usually a sign that the drive truly needs to be replaced
> > > sooner rather than later.
> > >
> > > Yousuf Khan
> >
> > But you can just run HDtune (free version) and it will read the SMART
> > info without having to have it enabled in the bios.
> >
> >
> > http://www.hdtune.com/

> The following article suggests that S.M.A.R.T is always enabled as far
> as the drive is concerned.

Silly you:

Page 247
8.51.1 SMART DISABLE OPERATIONS
8.51.1.1 Command code
B0h with a Feature register value of D9h.
8.51.1.2 Feature set
SMART feature set.
- Mandatory when the SMART feature set is implemented.
- Use prohibited when the PACKET Command feature set is implemented.

8.51.1.8 Description
This command disables all SMART capabilities within the device including any and all timer and event count
functions related exclusively to this feature. After command acceptance the device shall disable all SMART
operations. SMART data shall no longer be monitored or saved by the device. The state of SMART, either
enabled or disabled, shall be preserved by the device across power cycles.

T13 Draft 1410D

> The BIOS setting merely controls whether
> the BIOS will test the SMART health status of a disc at bootup.
>
> http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/
>
> =====================================================================
> My computer's BIOS has a SMART enable/disable setting. What does it
> do, and how should I set it?
>
> Some type of BIOS can check the SMART health status of a disk at
> bootup ... This one-time check on bootup is done if the BIOS SMART
> setting is set to 'ENABLE', and is not done if the setting is set to
> 'DISABLE'.
>
> If this one-time check is done, and the disk's health status is found
> to be 'FAIL', then typically the BIOS will display an error message
> and refuse to boot the machine.
>
> For the proper functioning of smartmontools [or any other SMART
> software tool], either BIOS setting may be used.
> =====================================================================
>
> - Franc Zabkar

Franc Zabkar wrote in news:(E-Mail Removed)
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:42:54 +0100, "Squeeze" (E-Mail Removed) put finger to keyboard and composed:
> > Franc Zabkar wrote in news:(E-Mail Removed)
> > > On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 04:14:03 GMT, Dave Seven (E-Mail Removed)lid put finger to keyboard and composed:
> > >
> > > > Yousuf Khan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > However, SMART is one of the most lenient error detection schemes out
> > > > > there. It usually finds no errors, so if it actually finds something
> > > > > then it's usually a sign that the drive truly needs to be replaced
> > > > > sooner rather than later.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yousuf Khan
> > > >
> > > > But you can just run HDtune (free version) and it will read the SMART
> > > > info without having to have it enabled in the bios.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.hdtune.com/
> >
> > > The following article suggests that S.M.A.R.T is always enabled as far
> > > as the drive is concerned.
> >
> > Silly you:
>
> > Page 247
> > 8.51.1 SMART DISABLE OPERATIONS
> > 8.51.1.1 Command code
> > B0h with a Feature register value of D9h.
> > 8.51.1.2 Feature set
> > SMART feature set.
> > - Mandatory when the SMART feature set is implemented.
> > - Use prohibited when the PACKET Command feature set is implemented.
> >
> > 8.51.1.8 Description
> > This command disables all SMART capabilities within the device including any and all timer and event count
> > functions related exclusively to this feature. After command acceptance the device shall disable all SMART
> > operations. SMART data shall no longer be monitored or saved by the device. The state of SMART, either
> > enabled or disabled, shall be preserved by the device across power cycles.
> >
> > T13 Draft 1410D

> That depends on the BIOS.

Pity about the "S.M.A.R.T is *always* enabled as far as the drive is concerned".

>
> The SMART enable/disable setting in the AMI BIOS of my PCChips socket
> 7 M571 mainboard has no effect on SMART reporting. When I run the
> Smartudm utility after a DOS boot, it always shows that SMART is
> enabled, and the SMART attributes are always updated.
>
> OTOH, the SMART enable/disable setting in my ECS L7S7A2 AMI BIOS
> does disable the updating of SMART attributes. Smartudm shows it as
> disabled on its first run. Subsequent passes show it as enabled (by
> Smartudm), until the next reboot when the BIOS reverts it to disabled.

Right, S.M.A.R.T is *not* always enabled as far as the drive is concerned.

[snip]

Franc Zabkar wrote in news:(E-Mail Removed)
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:39:31 +0100, "Squeeze" (E-Mail Removed) put finger to keyboard and composed:
> > Franc Zabkar wrote in news:(E-Mail Removed)
>
> > > The SMART enable/disable setting in the AMI BIOS of my PCChips socket
> > > 7 M571 mainboard has no effect on SMART reporting. When I run the
> > > Smartudm utility after a DOS boot, it always shows that SMART is
> > > enabled, and the SMART attributes are always updated.
> > >
> > > OTOH, the SMART enable/disable setting in my ECS L7S7A2 AMI BIOS
> > > does disable the updating of SMART attributes. Smartudm shows it as
> > > disabled on its first run. Subsequent passes show it as enabled (by
> > > Smartudm), until the next reboot when the BIOS reverts it to disabled.
> >
> > Right, S.M.A.R.T is *not* always enabled as far as the drive is concerned.

> The author of smartmontools is both right and wrong depending on which
> version of BIOS you have.

Pity that the author of smartmontools didn't say anything of the sort.
The conclusion was all your's and no one elses.

>
> - Franc Zabkar

Franc Zabkar wrote:
>
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 23:42:54 +0100, "Squeeze" <(E-Mail Removed)>

<edited for brevity>

> >Silly you:
>
> >Page 247
> >8.51.1 SMART DISABLE OPERATIONS
> >8.51.1.1 Command code
> >B0h with a Feature register value of D9h.
> >8.51.1.2 Feature set
> >SMART feature set.
> >- Mandatory when the SMART feature set is implemented.
> >- Use prohibited when the PACKET Command feature set is implemented.
> >
> >8.51.1.8 Description
> >This command disables all SMART capabilities within the device including any and all timer and event count
> >functions related exclusively to this feature. After command acceptance the device shall disable all SMART
> >operations. SMART data shall no longer be monitored or saved by the device. The state of SMART, either
> >enabled or disabled, shall be preserved by the device across power cycles.
> >
> >T13 Draft 1410D
>
> That depends on the BIOS.
>
> The SMART enable/disable setting in the AMI BIOS of my PCChips socket
> 7 M571 mainboard has no effect on SMART reporting. When I run the
> Smartudm utility after a DOS boot, it always shows that SMART is
> enabled, and the SMART attributes are always updated.

<edited>

Hello, Franc:

"Squeeze" <(E-Mail Removed)> is just one of the psuedonyms of Folkert Rienstra
(a notorious Usenet troll, based in the Netherlands). He uses this sneaky tactic, to
evade the "killfiles" of his many enemies.

By including "au" with his phony e-mail address, he's trying too fool people into
believing he's really Rod Speed (an Australian, who happens to be his main adversary,
here in <news:comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage>).

The dour Dutchman has long pestered >this< newsgroup, among certain others.


Cordially,
John Turco <(E-Mail Removed)>