Hello folks,

My Drive Image needs 1,5 hours to create an image on my 2nd harddrive. The
transfer rate is only appr. 170 MB/minute.

A friend of mine has a similar system and here Drive Image only needs 15
minutes for the same work (Image-file is about 6 GB in seize).
Here the transfer rate is about 580 MB/minute.

Why is that?

I have read in this group a thread form May this year and it seemed very
interesting.

http://www.google.de/groups?q=Drive+...ax.com&rnum=10

It was about putting the parameter /ide=ON after the PQDI command.


I have all done this like recommended, but the increase in speed was only
from 170 to 215 MB/minute.
And the total time is still 1,5 hours for 6 GB.

In this thread it was spoken of appr. 1200 MB/minute.


My System:

Windows XP, NTFS two HDD 80 GB each. the 2nd HDD is only used for storing
the image file.

partitions (all on HDD one)

c: (10 GB)

dswap, is not included in making an image)

e: (15 GB)

f: (3 GB)

Well, I can't see the hardware differences between your system and the one
you're comparing it to. Nor was it noted on either system how its setup to
the do the imaging. such as options. In the final analysis, the confidence
factor in restoration is what's important, not how fast the backup is.
Dave
"Michael Westphal" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hello folks,
>
> My Drive Image needs 1,5 hours to create an image on my 2nd harddrive. The
> transfer rate is only appr. 170 MB/minute.
>
> A friend of mine has a similar system and here Drive Image only needs 15
> minutes for the same work (Image-file is about 6 GB in seize).
> Here the transfer rate is about 580 MB/minute.
>
> Why is that?
>
> I have read in this group a thread form May this year and it seemed very
> interesting.
>
>
http://www.google.de/groups?q=Drive+...F-8&oe=UTF-8&s
elm=47t8cvkjgj4tvk33259gt3qas284h8pclp%404ax.com&rnum=10
>
> It was about putting the parameter /ide=ON after the PQDI command.
>
>
> I have all done this like recommended, but the increase in speed was only
> from 170 to 215 MB/minute.
> And the total time is still 1,5 hours for 6 GB.
>
> In this thread it was spoken of appr. 1200 MB/minute.
>
>
> My System:
>
> Windows XP, NTFS two HDD 80 GB each. the 2nd HDD is only used for storing
> the image file.
>
> partitions (all on HDD one)
>
> c: (10 GB)
>
> dswap, is not included in making an image)
>
> e: (15 GB)
>
> f: (3 GB)
>
>

Hello Lil' Dave,

what system parameters would be significant to watch or compare? What
hardware the
transfer rate depends on?

I have just exported the Systeminfo to a textfile. But it is huge: 320 kb.
What section do you want a look at. I would paste it in the next posting.

My friend's system is actually a little older. It has an AMD 1800+, my
computer has an AMD 2100+ cpu.
We both have the same compression selected for DI to operate.


I think speed is an important factor for the quality of a backup-software.
It is a huge difference whether I need 90 Minutes or 15 Minutes. And the
amount of data will increase soon on my system.


Michael




"Lil' Dave" <(E-Mail Removed)> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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> Well, I can't see the hardware differences between your system and the one
> you're comparing it to. Nor was it noted on either system how its setup
to
> the do the imaging. such as options. In the final analysis, the
confidence
> factor in restoration is what's important, not how fast the backup is.
> Dave
> "Michael Westphal" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:3f6414e9$0$23082$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hello folks,
> >
> > My Drive Image needs 1,5 hours to create an image on my 2nd harddrive.
The
> > transfer rate is only appr. 170 MB/minute.
> >
> > A friend of mine has a similar system and here Drive Image only needs 15
> > minutes for the same work (Image-file is about 6 GB in seize).
> > Here the transfer rate is about 580 MB/minute.
> >
> > Why is that?
> >
> > I have read in this group a thread form May this year and it seemed very
> > interesting.
> >
> >
>
http://www.google.de/groups?q=Drive+...F-8&oe=UTF-8&s
> elm=47t8cvkjgj4tvk33259gt3qas284h8pclp%404ax.com&rnum=10
> >
> > It was about putting the parameter /ide=ON after the PQDI command.
> >
> >
> > I have all done this like recommended, but the increase in speed was
only
> > from 170 to 215 MB/minute.
> > And the total time is still 1,5 hours for 6 GB.
> >
> > In this thread it was spoken of appr. 1200 MB/minute.
> >
> >
> > My System:
> >
> > Windows XP, NTFS two HDD 80 GB each. the 2nd HDD is only used for
storing
> > the image file.
> >
> > partitions (all on HDD one)
> >
> > c: (10 GB)
> >
> > dswap, is not included in making an image)
> >
> > e: (15 GB)
> >
> > f: (3 GB)
> >
> >
>
>

Michael Westphal <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> My Drive Image needs 1,5 hours to create an image on my
> 2nd harddrive. The transfer rate is only appr. 170 MB/minute.

Thats pathetic with the two hard drives in the same system.

> A friend of mine has a similar system and here Drive Image only
> needs 15 minutes for the same work (Image-file is about 6 GB
> in seize). Here the transfer rate is about 580 MB/minute.

Thats much more reasonable and some get quite a bit more
than that transfer rate too with a decent modern system.

> Why is that?

Basically its DI having a massive brain fart
about what the hard drive subsystem can do.

> I have read in this group a thread form May
> this year and it seemed very interesting.

>
http://www.google.de/groups?q=Drive+...ax.com&rnum=10

> It was about putting the parameter /ide=ON after the PQDI command.

Yep, thats the problem.

> I have all done this like recommended, but the increase
> in speed was only from 170 to 215 MB/minute.
> And the total time is still 1,5 hours for 6 GB.

You sure the /ide=ON switch was actually used ?
That may just be the variation from try to try.

Safest to apply the switch to the rescue floppy.
Easier to be sure you have got it being used with
the floppys. Editing the virtual boot isnt as easy
and easier to think you've changed it when you havent.

> In this thread it was spoken of appr. 1200 MB/minute.

Yeah, seen that myself.

> My System:

> Windows XP, NTFS two HDD 80 GB each.

Thats a relatively decent system from your other post.
Should do the decent thruput rates. Most likely you
just havent managed to get it to use the /IDE switch.

> the 2nd HDD is only used for storing the image file.

> partitions (all on HDD one)

> c: (10 GB)

> dswap, is not included in making an image)

> e: (15 GB)

> f: (3 GB)

Thats all fine and isnt the problem.

> what system parameters would be significant to watch or compare?

Just make sure that the /IDE switch is actually being used.

> What hardware the transfer rate depends on?

Basically what the hard drive subsystem
can do. Your system is fine for that.

> I have just exported the Systeminfo to a textfile. But it is huge: 320 kb.
> What section do you want a look at. I would paste it in the next posting.

Dont worry about it, check that the /IDE has been done properly.

> My friend's system is actually a little older. It has
> an AMD 1800+, my computer has an AMD 2100+ cpu.

Thats fine, plenty capable of a decent thruput.

> We both have the same compression selected for DI to operate.

> I think speed is an important factor for the quality of a backup-software.
> It is a huge difference whether I need 90 Minutes or 15 Minutes. And the
> amount of data will increase soon on my system.

Yep, bet you just havent got it to see the /IDE switch.

Dear Rod,


thanks for your help!

I have applied the switch to the rescue floppy!
(by editing the autoexec.bat's last row on both disks: pqdi /ide=on)

But my transfer rate was at the end of the process at only 214 MB/minute.
I'm quite frustrated!

Is there an option in the BIOS or something I can change?
(Up to now I haven't done such changes!!!)

Why is it that the speed at other computers is so much higher?

I'm worried of the fact, that my data will grow soon having started with
digital photographing and mp3-saving of my best audio-cd's. What time will
it take DI to image e.g. 80 GB to my 2nd hdd?


Many thanks for your help!

best wishes!


Michael


"Rod Speed" <(E-Mail Removed)> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
>

"Michael Westphal" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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| Dear Rod,
|
|
| thanks for your help!
|
| I have applied the switch to the rescue floppy!
| (by editing the autoexec.bat's last row on both disks: pqdi /ide=on)
|
| But my transfer rate was at the end of the process at only 214 MB/minute.
| I'm quite frustrated!
|
| Is there an option in the BIOS or something I can change?
| (Up to now I haven't done such changes!!!)
|
| Why is it that the speed at other computers is so much higher?
|
| I'm worried of the fact, that my data will grow soon having started with
| digital photographing and mp3-saving of my best audio-cd's. What time will
| it take DI to image e.g. 80 GB to my 2nd hdd?
|
|
| Many thanks for your help!
|
| best wishes!
|
|
| Michael
|
|
| "Rod Speed" <(E-Mail Removed)> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| news:bk1ao6$nth4n$(E-Mail Removed)...
| >
| >

Open your autoexec.bat file that you modified. Do a copy and past into a
new posting here and let's take a look at it.

"Michael Westphal" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> My Drive Image needs 1,5 hours to create an image on my 2nd
> harddrive. The transfer rate is only appr. 170 MB/minute.
>
> A friend of mine has a similar system and here Drive Image only
> needs 15 minutes for the same work (Image-file is about 6 GB in
> seize). Here the transfer rate is about 580 MB/minute.


Getting slightly off topic - it's been a while since I saw Drive
Image. ISTR that it had a Windows interface and then, presumably, it
saved various parameters to carry out the user's requests and then it
did these in DOS.

Is this correct or am I presuming too much about the way Drive Image
works?

Even if it is correct for an older version of Drive Image as I saw,
is it true now? In other words, can the current Drive Image copy and
generally manage partitions from within Windows without having to
boot to DOS (including copying the system partition which it is
actually running from)?

Michael Westphal <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
message news:3f644ae3$0$25826$(E-Mail Removed)...

> Dear Rod,

> thanks for your help!

> I have applied the switch to the rescue floppy!
> (by editing the autoexec.bat's last row on both disks: pqdi /ide=on)

> But my transfer rate was at the end of the process
> at only 214 MB/minute. I'm quite frustrated!

Yeah, I would be too.

> Is there an option in the BIOS or something I can change?
> (Up to now I haven't done such changes!!!)

How do the drives show up on the black bios screen at boot time ?

You may not have use an 80 wire cable to the drives and
so you arent getting whats usually called ATA100 or UDMA5
etc shown on the black bios screen next to the drives.

> Why is it that the speed at other computers is so much higher?

It may be as basic as the ribbon cable used.

If it isnt that, say something about the actual motherboard
being used and the actual drives being used.

You may have disabled DMA in the bios, but thats not common.

> I'm worried of the fact, that my data will grow soon having started
> with digital photographing and mp3-saving of my best audio-cd's.
> What time will it take DI to image e.g. 80 GB to my 2nd hdd?

The speed seen with the other older PC
is pretty typical for that vintage of system.

Mark M <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote in message news:93F6B6D8EFC863A75@130.133.1.4...
> Michael Westphal <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote

>> My Drive Image needs 1,5 hours to create an image on my
>> 2nd harddrive. The transfer rate is only appr. 170 MB/minute.

>> A friend of mine has a similar system and here Drive Image
>> only needs 15 minutes for the same work (Image-file is about
>> 6 GB in seize). Here the transfer rate is about 580 MB/minute.

> Getting slightly off topic - it's been a while since I saw
> Drive Image. ISTR that it had a Windows interface and
> then, presumably, it saved various parameters to carry
> out the user's requests and then it did these in DOS.

> Is this correct

Yes. Tho it is possible to just boot the DOS rescue floppys and
do the imaging manually from there. Still a crude GUI, but on DOS.

And with 2002, if you arent imaging the boot partition, it
wont bother with DOS, it will do the imaging at the Win level.

> or am I presuming too much about the way Drive Image works?

Nope.

> Even if it is correct for an older version of Drive Image as I saw, is it true now?

Yes, you can use it that way with 2002.

> In other words, can the current Drive Image copy and generally manage
> partitions from within Windows without having to boot to DOS (including
> copying the system partition which it is actually running from)?

You need Drive Image 7 to be able to image the boot
partition at the Win level. And it only runs on XP and 2K.

V2i Protector, also from powerquest, will also
do incremental image files and image in the
background while the system is still being used too.

Hello Bishoop,


here is the autoexec.bat on my first disk (DriveImage Disk 1/2, bootable):


@ECHO OFF
PROMPT $P$G


REM -------------------------------------------------------
REM -- Put keyboard codes (xx) and --
REM -- code page variables (yyy) here. --
REM -------------------------------------------------------

REM MODE CON CP PREP=((yyy) EGA.CPI)
REM MODE CON CP SEL=yyy
REM KEYB xx,yyy


REM -------------------------------------------------------
REM -- Put network or CD-ROM drivers here. --
REM -------------------------------------------------------

REM Windows DOS:
REM MSCDEX.EXE /D:driver_name [/L:drive_letter] [/M:buffers]

REM Caldera DOS:
REM NWCDEX.EXE /D:driver_name [/L:drive_letter] [/M:buffers]

MOUSE

SET TZ=WN-1WS-2,M3.5.0/02:00,M10.5.0/03:00

ECHO.
ECHO Insert Drive Image Disk 2 (Program)
ECHO.
ECHO.
ECHO *** Press Any Key to Continue ***
ECHO.
PAUSE >NUL


ECHO Drive Image 2002
ECHO Copyright 1994-2002, PowerQuest Corporation.
ECHO All rights reserved.
ECHO.
ECHO Loading. Please wait...
ECHO.

PQDI /IDE=ON




and this one is on my 2nd disk (DriveImage Disk 2/2):

@ECHO OFF
PROMPT $P$G


REM -------------------------------------------------------
REM -- Put keyboard codes (xx) and --
REM -- code page variables (yyy) here. --
REM -------------------------------------------------------

REM MODE CON CP PREP=((yyy) EGA.CPI)
REM MODE CON CP SEL=yyy
REM KEYB xx,yyy


REM -------------------------------------------------------
REM -- Put network or CD-ROM drivers here. --
REM -------------------------------------------------------

REM Windows DOS:
REM MSCDEX.EXE /D:driver_name [/L:drive_letter] [/M:buffers]

REM Caldera DOS:
REM NWCDEX.EXE /D:driver_name [/L:drive_letter] [/M:buffers]

MOUSE

SET TZ=WN-1WS-2,M3.5.0/02:00,M10.5.0/03:00

ECHO.
ECHO Insert Drive Image Disk 2 (Program)
ECHO.
ECHO.
ECHO *** Press Any Key to Continue ***
ECHO.
PAUSE >NUL


ECHO Drive Image 2002
ECHO Copyright 1994-2002, PowerQuest Corporation.
ECHO All rights reserved.
ECHO.
ECHO Loading. Please wait...
ECHO.

PQDI /IDE=ON


Many thanks for your help!!!





"Bishoop" <(E-Mail Removed)> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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>
> "Michael Westphal" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:3f644ae3$0$25826$(E-Mail Removed)...
> | Dear Rod,
> |
> |
> | thanks for your help!
> |
> | I have applied the switch to the rescue floppy!
> | (by editing the autoexec.bat's last row on both disks: pqdi /ide=on)
> |
> | But my transfer rate was at the end of the process at only 214
MB/minute.
> | I'm quite frustrated!
> |
> | Is there an option in the BIOS or something I can change?
> | (Up to now I haven't done such changes!!!)
> |
> | Why is it that the speed at other computers is so much higher?
> |
> | I'm worried of the fact, that my data will grow soon having started with
> | digital photographing and mp3-saving of my best audio-cd's. What time
will
> | it take DI to image e.g. 80 GB to my 2nd hdd?
> |
> |
> | Many thanks for your help!
> |
> | best wishes!
> |
> |
> | Michael
> |
> |
> | "Rod Speed" <(E-Mail Removed)> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> | news:bk1ao6$nth4n$(E-Mail Removed)...
> | >
> | >
>
> Open your autoexec.bat file that you modified. Do a copy and past into a
> new posting here and let's take a look at it.
>
>