Background (questions are at the bottom)
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I have a company laptop running Window 2000 Pro. While not really a Visual Basic programmer, I inherited support and maintenance for a small application. I was making changes and testing on the laptop at work normally. The laptop is configured for a domain here at work although I did not have the network cable connected. The actual VB development is done on a desktop machine, then the program is copied to a memory stick and installed on the laptop

I took the laptop home to continue development on my desktop PC there. Since I have a 10bT network at home, I thought I would make my life easier by connecting it, then I could transfer the install package without using a memory stick or CD. My home network is setup for a workgroup not a domain as there is no central server. I configured the laptop for workgroup instead of domain. I set the workgroup name to match the home network. When I restarted the laptop, the user name and password that I was using was no longer valid. I somewhat vaguely understand this as the user name was part of the domain not the local machine. I haven't quite figured out the details but that suffices for now

I was lucky that the Administrator (local machine I guess) had a default password. I was able to create new user accounts, etc

Now I attempted to run the VB application that had been installed before. I was not re-installing it, just running the previously installed application that had been working. When I did, it started the Microsoft Office 2000 Installer. The installer prompted that I was attempting to use a component of Office that was not installed and asked for the CD. I tried again logged in as Administrator and got the same results. I did not have the CD so I had to cancel and give up for the night

When I took the laptop back to work, I could not get it to connect back to the domain, even though I used the proper domain name, user name and password. I got the message user name or password is invalid. I had our MIS department get it reconnected to the domain. MIS renamed the computer. They said they had to rename it because the server already knows about the old name and will not allow rejoining the network with an identical name. This did not make sense to me and I had heard of someone else I know that was able to get re-joined to domain without changing the laptop name

Anyway, the domain connection was working again and so was the original user name and password. Interestingly enough, now when I ran the VB application it was able to find the Office component it was looking for and did NOT start the Office 2000 Installer

Questions
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Why did the VB application cause the Office Installer to run

I realize it wanted to use some component, but why couldn't it be found in a workgroup configuration

When an application like Office is installed in a domain configuration, is the machine essentially split into virtual machines such as local machine and domain machine

Why couldn't I reconnect to the domain at work after reconfiguring correctly

Why did MIS have to change the computer name to re-join the domain

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Apologize for the length of this post, but without the whole story, the questions are not as clear

Any help is appreciated

Jim

Hi -

I replied in another group - if you need to post to multiple groups, it's
best to do so all at once in a single message (separate the NG names with
commas) so that everyone can follow the thread. Thanks ....

Crossposting = posting once to several newsgroups within a single message.
This is not a Bad Thing (presuming the list of groups posted to is small,
and all the groups are truly relevant to your question)

Multiposting = posting separate, identical posts to several newsgroups. This
is a Bad Thing. :-)

See http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

Jim wrote:
> Background (questions are at the bottom):
> =========================================
> I have a company laptop running Window 2000 Pro. While not really a
> Visual Basic programmer, I inherited support and maintenance for a
> small application. I was making changes and testing on the laptop at
> work normally. The laptop is configured for a domain here at work
> although I did not have the network cable connected. The actual VB
> development is done on a desktop machine, then the program is copied
> to a memory stick and installed on the laptop.
>
> I took the laptop home to continue development on my desktop PC
> there. Since I have a 10bT network at home, I thought I would make my
> life easier by connecting it, then I could transfer the install
> package without using a memory stick or CD. My home network is setup
> for a workgroup not a domain as there is no central server. I
> configured the laptop for workgroup instead of domain. I set the
> workgroup name to match the home network. When I restarted the
> laptop, the user name and password that I was using was no longer
> valid. I somewhat vaguely understand this as the user name was part
> of the domain not the local machine. I haven't quite figured out the
> details but that suffices for now.
>
> I was lucky that the Administrator (local machine I guess) had a
> default password. I was able to create new user accounts, etc.
>
> Now I attempted to run the VB application that had been installed
> before. I was not re-installing it, just running the previously
> installed application that had been working. When I did, it started
> the Microsoft Office 2000 Installer. The installer prompted that I
> was attempting to use a component of Office that was not installed
> and asked for the CD. I tried again logged in as Administrator and
> got the same results. I did not have the CD so I had to cancel and
> give up for the night.
>
> When I took the laptop back to work, I could not get it to connect
> back to the domain, even though I used the proper domain name, user
> name and password. I got the message user name or password is
> invalid. I had our MIS department get it reconnected to the domain.
> MIS renamed the computer. They said they had to rename it because the
> server already knows about the old name and will not allow rejoining
> the network with an identical name. This did not make sense to me and
> I had heard of someone else I know that was able to get re-joined to
> domain without changing the laptop name.
>
> Anyway, the domain connection was working again and so was the
> original user name and password. Interestingly enough, now when I ran
> the VB application it was able to find the Office component it was
> looking for and did NOT start the Office 2000 Installer.
>
> Questions:
> =========================================
> Why did the VB application cause the Office Installer to run?
>
> I realize it wanted to use some component, but why couldn't it be
> found in a workgroup configuration?
>
> When an application like Office is installed in a domain
> configuration, is the machine essentially split into virtual machines
> such as local machine and domain machine?
>
> Why couldn't I reconnect to the domain at work after reconfiguring
> correctly?
>
> Why did MIS have to change the computer name to re-join the domain?
>
> =========================================
> Apologize for the length of this post, but without the whole story,
> the questions are not as clear.
>
> Any help is appreciated,
>
> Jim

Lanwench
While I admit ignorance to my original "multi-posts", I am using the browser based news reader from Microsoft's support site and find that it does not allow "cross-posts." I don't think it disallows it to enforce a rule. Rather, I think it was just a design oversight when the reader was coded. This makes it impossible to do cross posts unless you have an ISP account with news service. The web access at my company does not support news server service, so I think I am stuck with multi-posting on complicated issues although, I would much rather follow correct and news-friendly protocol

I posted to several groups because the question is esotaric and involves many parts of the PC: VB, network domain, network workgroup, office, office installer and windows2000. Each of these areas has a couple of sub-catagories that could address it

That along with the news reader limitations will force multi-posting. I will try to avoid it in the future, but when my back is against the wall, the boss wants productivity and I need the answer, there will be cases where I have to violate the rule

Hopefully, Microsoft can improve the news reader in the future to make cross-posting available. If I have over looked the news readers ability to do cross-posting, please reply so that I may use it correctly in the future. Believe me, checking all these groups individually is a pain in the A#@ for me too. If I have to multi-post in the future, I will be sure to provide this explanation why at the beginning of the posts

Regards

Jim

Jim wrote:
> Lanwench,
> While I admit ignorance to my original "multi-posts", I am using the
> browser based news reader from Microsoft's support site and find that
> it does not allow "cross-posts."

....I don't use the CDO interface for these groups, but I think you can type
in more than one group in a post in there, separated by commas....I
personally prefer a newsreader client as it's so much easier to
search/track/filter.

I don't think it disallows it to
> enforce a rule. Rather, I think it was just a design oversight when
> the reader was coded. This makes it impossible to do cross posts
> unless you have an ISP account with news service.

You don't need any ISP's news server in your news client-
msnews.microsoft.com will work as I suggested. It's what I'm using right
now:-)

The web access at
> my company does not support news server service, so I think I am
> stuck with multi-posting on complicated issues although, I would much
> rather follow correct and news-friendly protocol.
>
> I posted to several groups because the question is esotaric and
> involves many parts of the PC: VB, network domain, network workgroup,
> office, office installer and windows2000. Each of these areas has a
> couple of sub-catagories that could address it.
>
> That along with the news reader limitations will force multi-posting.
> I will try to avoid it in the future, but when my back is against the
> wall, the boss wants productivity and I need the answer, there will
> be cases where I have to violate the rule.
>
> Hopefully, Microsoft can improve the news reader in the future to
> make cross-posting available. If I have over looked the news readers
> ability to do cross-posting, please reply so that I may use it
> correctly in the future. Believe me, checking all these groups
> individually is a pain in the A#@ for me too. If I have to multi-post
> in the future, I will be sure to provide this explanation why at the
> beginning of the posts.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jim

Hey Lanwench,
Look at my post under the same name and date, Domain vs Wkgrp chngd VB...
Feb 24th, in the microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion group. There is a
long chain in there about using another news client. Finally got it working,
even gave you some credit in the post. And yes, I see now that the ISP does
not need to provide the news server. Learn a little every day...

Thanks for the help,

Jim

"Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%23MhObWM$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Jim wrote:
> > Lanwench,
> > While I admit ignorance to my original "multi-posts", I am using the
> > browser based news reader from Microsoft's support site and find that
> > it does not allow "cross-posts."
>
> ...I don't use the CDO interface for these groups, but I think you can
type
> in more than one group in a post in there, separated by commas....I
> personally prefer a newsreader client as it's so much easier to
> search/track/filter.
>
> I don't think it disallows it to
> > enforce a rule. Rather, I think it was just a design oversight when
> > the reader was coded. This makes it impossible to do cross posts
> > unless you have an ISP account with news service.
>
> You don't need any ISP's news server in your news client-
> msnews.microsoft.com will work as I suggested. It's what I'm using right
> now:-)
>
> The web access at
> > my company does not support news server service, so I think I am
> > stuck with multi-posting on complicated issues although, I would much
> > rather follow correct and news-friendly protocol.
> >
> > I posted to several groups because the question is esotaric and
> > involves many parts of the PC: VB, network domain, network workgroup,
> > office, office installer and windows2000. Each of these areas has a
> > couple of sub-catagories that could address it.
> >
> > That along with the news reader limitations will force multi-posting.
> > I will try to avoid it in the future, but when my back is against the
> > wall, the boss wants productivity and I need the answer, there will
> > be cases where I have to violate the rule.
> >
> > Hopefully, Microsoft can improve the news reader in the future to
> > make cross-posting available. If I have over looked the news readers
> > ability to do cross-posting, please reply so that I may use it
> > correctly in the future. Believe me, checking all these groups
> > individually is a pain in the A#@ for me too. If I have to multi-post
> > in the future, I will be sure to provide this explanation why at the
> > beginning of the posts.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jim
>
>

Glad to help... don't sub to that group, tho - :-(


Jim wrote:
> Hey Lanwench,
> Look at my post under the same name and date, Domain vs Wkgrp chngd
> VB... Feb 24th, in the microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion group.
> There is a long chain in there about using another news client.
> Finally got it working, even gave you some credit in the post. And
> yes, I see now that the ISP does not need to provide the news server.
> Learn a little every day...
>
> Thanks for the help,
>
> Jim
>
> "Lanwench [MVP - Exchange]"
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message news:%23MhObWM$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Jim wrote:
>>> Lanwench,
>>> While I admit ignorance to my original "multi-posts", I am using the
>>> browser based news reader from Microsoft's support site and find
>>> that it does not allow "cross-posts."
>>
>> ...I don't use the CDO interface for these groups, but I think you
>> can type in more than one group in a post in there, separated by
>> commas....I personally prefer a newsreader client as it's so much
>> easier to search/track/filter.
>>
>> I don't think it disallows it to
>>> enforce a rule. Rather, I think it was just a design oversight when
>>> the reader was coded. This makes it impossible to do cross posts
>>> unless you have an ISP account with news service.
>>
>> You don't need any ISP's news server in your news client-
>> msnews.microsoft.com will work as I suggested. It's what I'm using
>> right now:-)
>>
>> The web access at
>>> my company does not support news server service, so I think I am
>>> stuck with multi-posting on complicated issues although, I would
>>> much rather follow correct and news-friendly protocol.
>>>
>>> I posted to several groups because the question is esotaric and
>>> involves many parts of the PC: VB, network domain, network
>>> workgroup, office, office installer and windows2000. Each of these
>>> areas has a couple of sub-catagories that could address it.
>>>
>>> That along with the news reader limitations will force
>>> multi-posting. I will try to avoid it in the future, but when my
>>> back is against the wall, the boss wants productivity and I need
>>> the answer, there will be cases where I have to violate the rule.
>>>
>>> Hopefully, Microsoft can improve the news reader in the future to
>>> make cross-posting available. If I have over looked the news readers
>>> ability to do cross-posting, please reply so that I may use it
>>> correctly in the future. Believe me, checking all these groups
>>> individually is a pain in the A#@ for me too. If I have to
>>> multi-post in the future, I will be sure to provide this
>>> explanation why at the beginning of the posts.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jim