Hello, all -

Browsing Kathleen Anderson's website, I followed a link regarding
DOCTYPES to a relevant article on the A LIst Apart website (the article
is at http://www.alistapart.com/stories/doctype/).

What I glean from the article is that a proper DOCTYPE statement must be
at the beginning of each web page to ensure proper rendering by modern
browsers. However, when I look at the HTML FP2002 is generating for the
web pages I'm currently designing, there is no DOCTYPE statement.

Eek.

Further, A List Apart provides the proper syntax for 7 different DOCTYPE
statements. So, my relative newbie questions are:

1. If a DOCTYPE statement is so critical to proper rendering, how come
FP2002 doesn't automate, or at least facilitate, the inclusion of one?

2. How do I determine which of the 7 suggested DOCTYPE statements I
should include in my pages?

Thanks very much in advance for your tips and insights here.

Craig Schiller

To pick the right DOCTYPE:
HTML:
http://www.juicystudio.com/tutorial/...nformance.html

XHTML:
http://www.juicystudio.com/tutorial/...nformance.html

Found these on Google and didn't have enough time to evaluate fully, but
they look good.

--
Jack Brewster - Microsoft MVP - FrontPage

"Craig Schiller" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hello, all -
>
> Browsing Kathleen Anderson's website, I followed a link regarding
> DOCTYPES to a relevant article on the A LIst Apart website (the article
> is at http://www.alistapart.com/stories/doctype/).
>
> What I glean from the article is that a proper DOCTYPE statement must be
> at the beginning of each web page to ensure proper rendering by modern
> browsers. However, when I look at the HTML FP2002 is generating for the
> web pages I'm currently designing, there is no DOCTYPE statement.
>
> Eek.
>
> Further, A List Apart provides the proper syntax for 7 different DOCTYPE
> statements. So, my relative newbie questions are:
>
> 1. If a DOCTYPE statement is so critical to proper rendering, how come
> FP2002 doesn't automate, or at least facilitate, the inclusion of one?
>
> 2. How do I determine which of the 7 suggested DOCTYPE statements I
> should include in my pages?
>
> Thanks very much in advance for your tips and insights here.
>
> Craig Schiller
>

Or, remove the Doc Types and suffer no consequences.
--
-----
Tom Pepper Willett
Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
----
"Jack Brewster" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
| To pick the right DOCTYPE:
| HTML:
| http://www.juicystudio.com/tutorial/...nformance.html
|
| XHTML:
| http://www.juicystudio.com/tutorial/...nformance.html
|
| Found these on Google and didn't have enough time to evaluate fully, but
| they look good.
|
| --
| Jack Brewster - Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
|
| "Craig Schiller" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
| news:(E-Mail Removed)...
| > Hello, all -
| >
| > Browsing Kathleen Anderson's website, I followed a link regarding
| > DOCTYPES to a relevant article on the A LIst Apart website (the article
| > is at http://www.alistapart.com/stories/doctype/).
| >
| > What I glean from the article is that a proper DOCTYPE statement must be
| > at the beginning of each web page to ensure proper rendering by modern
| > browsers. However, when I look at the HTML FP2002 is generating for the
| > web pages I'm currently designing, there is no DOCTYPE statement.
| >
| > Eek.
| >
| > Further, A List Apart provides the proper syntax for 7 different DOCTYPE
| > statements. So, my relative newbie questions are:
| >
| > 1. If a DOCTYPE statement is so critical to proper rendering, how come
| > FP2002 doesn't automate, or at least facilitate, the inclusion of one?
| >
| > 2. How do I determine which of the 7 suggested DOCTYPE statements I
| > should include in my pages?
| >
| > Thanks very much in advance for your tips and insights here.
| >
| > Craig Schiller
| >
|
|

Jack -

Thanks for your response, but maybe I didn't make myself clear: How do I know
what kind of DOCTYPE. These links reference various XHTML and HTML types, but
that really hasn't shed on light on anything for me. What sort of DOCTYPE is
FP2002 generating for me, is my question, and why doesn't it insert the
information automatically? I know I'm missing something basic here. Sorry
about that.

Thanks,
Craig


Jack Brewster wrote:

> To pick the right DOCTYPE:
> HTML:
> http://www.juicystudio.com/tutorial/...nformance.html
>
> XHTML:
> http://www.juicystudio.com/tutorial/...nformance.html
>
> Found these on Google and didn't have enough time to evaluate fully, but
> they look good.
>
> --
> Jack Brewster - Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
>
> "Craig Schiller" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hello, all -
> >
> > Browsing Kathleen Anderson's website, I followed a link regarding
> > DOCTYPES to a relevant article on the A LIst Apart website (the article
> > is at http://www.alistapart.com/stories/doctype/).
> >
> > What I glean from the article is that a proper DOCTYPE statement must be
> > at the beginning of each web page to ensure proper rendering by modern
> > browsers. However, when I look at the HTML FP2002 is generating for the
> > web pages I'm currently designing, there is no DOCTYPE statement.
> >
> > Eek.
> >
> > Further, A List Apart provides the proper syntax for 7 different DOCTYPE
> > statements. So, my relative newbie questions are:
> >
> > 1. If a DOCTYPE statement is so critical to proper rendering, how come
> > FP2002 doesn't automate, or at least facilitate, the inclusion of one?
> >
> > 2. How do I determine which of the 7 suggested DOCTYPE statements I
> > should include in my pages?
> >
> > Thanks very much in advance for your tips and insights here.
> >
> > Craig Schiller
> >

Tom -

That's in direct contradiction to what I just read on A List Apart. How come
there are varying theories on this?

Thanks,
Craig

Tom Pepper Willett wrote:

> Or, remove the Doc Types and suffer no consequences.
> --
> -----
> Tom Pepper Willett
> Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> ----
> "Jack Brewster" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> | To pick the right DOCTYPE:
> | HTML:
> | http://www.juicystudio.com/tutorial/...nformance.html
> |
> | XHTML:
> | http://www.juicystudio.com/tutorial/...nformance.html
> |
> | Found these on Google and didn't have enough time to evaluate fully, but
> | they look good.
> |
> | --
> | Jack Brewster - Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> |
> | "Craig Schiller" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> | news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> | > Hello, all -
> | >
> | > Browsing Kathleen Anderson's website, I followed a link regarding
> | > DOCTYPES to a relevant article on the A LIst Apart website (the article
> | > is at http://www.alistapart.com/stories/doctype/).
> | >
> | > What I glean from the article is that a proper DOCTYPE statement must be
> | > at the beginning of each web page to ensure proper rendering by modern
> | > browsers. However, when I look at the HTML FP2002 is generating for the
> | > web pages I'm currently designing, there is no DOCTYPE statement.
> | >
> | > Eek.
> | >
> | > Further, A List Apart provides the proper syntax for 7 different DOCTYPE
> | > statements. So, my relative newbie questions are:
> | >
> | > 1. If a DOCTYPE statement is so critical to proper rendering, how come
> | > FP2002 doesn't automate, or at least facilitate, the inclusion of one?
> | >
> | > 2. How do I determine which of the 7 suggested DOCTYPE statements I
> | > should include in my pages?
> | >
> | > Thanks very much in advance for your tips and insights here.
> | >
> | > Craig Schiller
> | >
> |
> |

"Craig Schiller" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Jack -
>
> Thanks for your response, but maybe I didn't make myself clear: How do I
know
> what kind of DOCTYPE. These links reference various XHTML and HTML types,
but
> that really hasn't shed on light on anything for me. What sort of DOCTYPE
is
> FP2002 generating for me, is my question, and why doesn't it insert the
> information automatically? I know I'm missing something basic here. Sorry
> about that.
>

Craig,

FP2002 doesn't generate or insert one. If it did, you'd see one in your
document. You'll have to do it yourself for each page.

Both of those links describe, sparsely admittedly, the purpose for each.

If you use one of the XHTML DOCTYPEs, be sure to read the section near the
bottom about "Specifying a Namespace." This is required for your XHTML to
validate correctly.

--
Jack Brewster - FrontPage MVP

DOCTYPEs are not needed unless you want to validate your web site or use
XML, etc.

--

==============================================
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"Craig Schiller" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Tom -
>
> That's in direct contradiction to what I just read on A List Apart. How
come
> there are varying theories on this?
>
> Thanks,
> Craig
>
> Tom Pepper Willett wrote:
>
> > Or, remove the Doc Types and suffer no consequences.
> > --
> > -----
> > Tom Pepper Willett
> > Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> > ----
> > "Jack Brewster" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > | To pick the right DOCTYPE:
> > | HTML:
> > | http://www.juicystudio.com/tutorial/...nformance.html
> > |
> > | XHTML:
> > | http://www.juicystudio.com/tutorial/...nformance.html
> > |
> > | Found these on Google and didn't have enough time to evaluate fully,
but
> > | they look good.
> > |
> > | --
> > | Jack Brewster - Microsoft MVP - FrontPage
> > |
> > | "Craig Schiller" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > | news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > | > Hello, all -
> > | >
> > | > Browsing Kathleen Anderson's website, I followed a link regarding
> > | > DOCTYPES to a relevant article on the A LIst Apart website (the
article
> > | > is at http://www.alistapart.com/stories/doctype/).
> > | >
> > | > What I glean from the article is that a proper DOCTYPE statement
must be
> > | > at the beginning of each web page to ensure proper rendering by
modern
> > | > browsers. However, when I look at the HTML FP2002 is generating for
the
> > | > web pages I'm currently designing, there is no DOCTYPE statement.
> > | >
> > | > Eek.
> > | >
> > | > Further, A List Apart provides the proper syntax for 7 different
DOCTYPE
> > | > statements. So, my relative newbie questions are:
> > | >
> > | > 1. If a DOCTYPE statement is so critical to proper rendering, how
come
> > | > FP2002 doesn't automate, or at least facilitate, the inclusion of
one?
> > | >
> > | > 2. How do I determine which of the 7 suggested DOCTYPE statements I
> > | > should include in my pages?
> > | >
> > | > Thanks very much in advance for your tips and insights here.
> > | >
> > | > Craig Schiller
> > | >
> > |
> > |
>

Jack -

"HTML 4.01 Transitional
The Transitional DTD is used when you want to support elements that have
been deprecated from HTML 4.01."

Elements deprecated from HTML 4.01?

I'm supposed to know what that means? LOL.

I've read the definitions, Jack. I have no idea how to decide which is the best
for my application. Isn't it just dependent on the type of code in my document?
If so, what are the parameters to look for? I don't see that explained anywhere.
If not, what *is* it dependent on?

Thanks,
Craig

Jack Brewster wrote:

> "Craig Schiller" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Jack -
> >
> > Okay, now I'm feeling like a complete idiot. :-(
> >
> > Your responses indicate that I should know what kind of document I want or
> am
> > generating, but I haven't got a clue. What determines this? How do I
> decide? My
> > impression is that it has to do with what type of code is contained in the
> HTML
> > (or XHTML, who knows?) pages - duh. But I haven't even got enough
> knowledge
> > about this to be dangerous yet!
> >
> > I'm generating web pages in FP2002 using a template that I'm modifying as
> I go
> > along. What do I need to know or to determine?
>
> As I mentioned, those links have descriptions of the application for each
> DOCTYPE. Did you read them?
>
> The lowest common denominator DOCTYPE is HTML 4.01 Transitional:
> +++
> HTML 4.01 Transitional
> The Transitional DTD is used when you want to support elements that have
> been deprecated from HTML 4.01.
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
> "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
> +++
>
> Read the descriptions for each and decided which is best for your
> application.
>
> --
> Jack Brewster - FrontPage MVP

Craig,

Here is a good resource:

http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/res_doctype.htm

--

==============================================
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WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
http://www.ycoln-resources.com
FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
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"Craig Schiller" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Jack -
>
> "HTML 4.01 Transitional
> The Transitional DTD is used when you want to support elements that have
> been deprecated from HTML 4.01."
>
> Elements deprecated from HTML 4.01?
>
> I'm supposed to know what that means? LOL.
>
> I've read the definitions, Jack. I have no idea how to decide which is the
best
> for my application. Isn't it just dependent on the type of code in my
document?
> If so, what are the parameters to look for? I don't see that explained
anywhere.
> If not, what *is* it dependent on?
>
> Thanks,
> Craig
>
> Jack Brewster wrote:
>
> > "Craig Schiller" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > Jack -
> > >
> > > Okay, now I'm feeling like a complete idiot. :-(
> > >
> > > Your responses indicate that I should know what kind of document I
want or
> > am
> > > generating, but I haven't got a clue. What determines this? How do I
> > decide? My
> > > impression is that it has to do with what type of code is contained in
the
> > HTML
> > > (or XHTML, who knows?) pages - duh. But I haven't even got enough
> > knowledge
> > > about this to be dangerous yet!
> > >
> > > I'm generating web pages in FP2002 using a template that I'm modifying
as
> > I go
> > > along. What do I need to know or to determine?
> >
> > As I mentioned, those links have descriptions of the application for
each
> > DOCTYPE. Did you read them?
> >
> > The lowest common denominator DOCTYPE is HTML 4.01 Transitional:
> > +++
> > HTML 4.01 Transitional
> > The Transitional DTD is used when you want to support elements that have
> > been deprecated from HTML 4.01.
> >
> > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
> > "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
> > +++
> >
> > Read the descriptions for each and decided which is best for your
> > application.
> >
> > --
> > Jack Brewster - FrontPage MVP
>

Thomas -

Thank you for the link. Reading it prompts these questions:

- How does one choose between an HTML DOCTYPE and the two flavors of xHTML
DOCTYPES? How do I determine which one is appropriate? I assume it has to do
with the type of code contained in my web pages, but what specific things should
I be looking for?

- Once again, why doesn't FP2002 figure this out automatically, or at least
provide guidance to the user?

- The link you provided makes no correlation between the type of rendering done
by various browsers and the DOCTYPES that invoke those types of rendering. Any
place to get that information?

Any further guidance would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Craig

"Thomas A. Rowe" wrote:

> Craig,
>
> Here is a good resource:
>
> http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/res_doctype.htm
>
> --
>
> ==============================================
> Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
> WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
> http://www.ycoln-resources.com
> FrontPage Resources, Forums, WebCircle,
> MS KB Quick Links, etc.
> ==============================================
> To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
> http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
>
> "Craig Schiller" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Jack -
> >
> > "HTML 4.01 Transitional
> > The Transitional DTD is used when you want to support elements that have
> > been deprecated from HTML 4.01."
> >
> > Elements deprecated from HTML 4.01?
> >
> > I'm supposed to know what that means? LOL.
> >
> > I've read the definitions, Jack. I have no idea how to decide which is the
> best
> > for my application. Isn't it just dependent on the type of code in my
> document?
> > If so, what are the parameters to look for? I don't see that explained
> anywhere.
> > If not, what *is* it dependent on?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Craig
> >
> > Jack Brewster wrote:
> >
> > > "Craig Schiller" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> > > > Jack -
> > > >
> > > > Okay, now I'm feeling like a complete idiot. :-(
> > > >
> > > > Your responses indicate that I should know what kind of document I
> want or
> > > am
> > > > generating, but I haven't got a clue. What determines this? How do I
> > > decide? My
> > > > impression is that it has to do with what type of code is contained in
> the
> > > HTML
> > > > (or XHTML, who knows?) pages - duh. But I haven't even got enough
> > > knowledge
> > > > about this to be dangerous yet!
> > > >
> > > > I'm generating web pages in FP2002 using a template that I'm modifying
> as
> > > I go
> > > > along. What do I need to know or to determine?
> > >
> > > As I mentioned, those links have descriptions of the application for
> each
> > > DOCTYPE. Did you read them?
> > >
> > > The lowest common denominator DOCTYPE is HTML 4.01 Transitional:
> > > +++
> > > HTML 4.01 Transitional
> > > The Transitional DTD is used when you want to support elements that have
> > > been deprecated from HTML 4.01.
> > >
> > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
> > > "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
> > > +++
> > >
> > > Read the descriptions for each and decided which is best for your
> > > application.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jack Brewster - FrontPage MVP
> >