Hello, my dear new friends,

I prepare my mathematical articles by plain-tex, line by line.
Each line looks something like the following in plain-tex.

$\int_0^{\pi/2}e^{\sin\theta}\cos\theta d\theta$

I want the first slide to contain the first two lines.

Then on click, another two lines is added to the the first slide.
Then on click, I should get the second slide.

What should I do??

I need detailed procedure to achieve this.
Are there any web-site offering this kind of tutorials?
Are there any commercial sofeware package for this purpose?

Thank you in advance.

(E-Mail Removed)

In addition to Bill's suggestion about MathType, it sounds as if you
also need information on animating your slides. Which version of PPT are
you using? That will make it easier for us to provide instructions.

--
Echo [MS PPT MVP]
http://www.echosvoice.com

TW Ma wrote:
>
> Hello, my dear new friends,
>
> I prepare my mathematical articles by plain-tex, line by line.
> Each line looks something like the following in plain-tex.
>
> $\int_0^{\pi/2}e^{\sin\theta}\cos\theta d\theta$
>
> I want the first slide to contain the first two lines.
>
> Then on click, another two lines is added to the the first slide.
> Then on click, I should get the second slide.
>
> What should I do??
>
> I need detailed procedure to achieve this.
> Are there any web-site offering this kind of tutorials?
> Are there any commercial sofeware package for this purpose?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> (E-Mail Removed)

In article <bh27cj$9d2$(E-Mail Removed)>, "TW Ma" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>Thanks to both Bill Foley and Echo [MS PPT MVP]
>
>Microsoft Equation Editor has not been installed into my computer.
>I am using PointPoint-2000.
>
>I search through internet for Microsoft Equation Editor.
>The first impression is that it is too slow for any practical purpose.
>
>Is there any TEX-based software package for conference presentation?
>
>Thank you in advance.
>
>twma
>
>
>
I don't know about TEX- based software but I use powerpoint to teach math in
the high school setting --In particular trig and calculus -- I use equation
editor's big brother Math Type which allows you to use the keyboard rather
than mouse for input which speeds things up considerably. It is not
particularly expensive and I believe you can download a trial version that
gives you thirty days -- so you could see if that meets your needs better than
equation editor. Don't have the URL but if you do a search on Math Type you
are sure to turn it up.

BJ

Beware! Equation editor and Math Type are rather clumsy editors and only to
be used with static text. Also (with PP2k) slides with these objects
sometimes do not print properly.

So the rule is to use text boxes wherever possible and the special maths
symbols (eg. square root sign, integration sign etc.) can easily be
"manufactured" with the drawing tools. (Create a library of vector symbols.)

The major advantage of text boxes is that they can be edited so easily
without breaking up the group. So for example, graphs are best labelled with
text boxes so that reusing them with different scales just means swiping the
text and changing it.

--
Jeff

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<bj@notyour business.org (BJChadwick)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> In article <bh27cj$9d2$(E-Mail Removed)>, "TW Ma" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:
> >
> >Thanks to both Bill Foley and Echo [MS PPT MVP]
> >
> >Microsoft Equation Editor has not been installed into my computer.
> >I am using PointPoint-2000.
> >
> >I search through internet for Microsoft Equation Editor.
> >The first impression is that it is too slow for any practical purpose.
> >
> >Is there any TEX-based software package for conference presentation?
> >
> >Thank you in advance.
> >
> >twma
> >
> >
> >
> I don't know about TEX- based software but I use powerpoint to teach math
in
> the high school setting --In particular trig and calculus -- I use
equation
> editor's big brother Math Type which allows you to use the keyboard rather
> than mouse for input which speeds things up considerably. It is not
> particularly expensive and I believe you can download a trial version that
> gives you thirty days -- so you could see if that meets your needs better
than
> equation editor. Don't have the URL but if you do a search on Math Type
you
> are sure to turn it up.
>
> BJ

OK, let's see how many can I offend with this post...

Unlike many in academia, I opted against TeX and decided to use
Equation Editor for my work. The doctoral dissertation surprised many
who learnt how it was put together. EE for equations, with MS Word for
the text and the composition, and Excel for most analysis. How messy
were those equations? Well, in some cases, a single equation required
almost a complete page.

So, it is hard for me to give credence to, or even understand, people
who claim that text boxes, however fancy, are superior to EE. But,
then, I am not impressed by those who make the same claim about TeX.

--
Regards,

Tushar Mehta, MS MVP -- Excel
www.tushar-mehta.com
Excel, PowerPoint, and VBA add-ins, tutorials
Custom MS Office productivity solutions

In article <bh1c0p$s34$(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed)
says...
>
> Hello, my dear new friends,
>
> I prepare my mathematical articles by plain-tex, line by line.
> Each line looks something like the following in plain-tex.
>
> $\int_0^{\pi/2}e^{\sin\theta}\cos\theta d\theta$
>
> I want the first slide to contain the first two lines.
>
> Then on click, another two lines is added to the the first slide.
> Then on click, I should get the second slide.
>
> What should I do??
>
> I need detailed procedure to achieve this.
> Are there any web-site offering this kind of tutorials?
> Are there any commercial sofeware package for this purpose?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> (E-Mail Removed)
>
>
>
>
>
>

> OK, let's see how many can I offend with this post...

LOL, I agree with you, Tushar. If one needs to build animated equations
piece by piece, then textboxes are probably the only easy way. But that will
get old after four or five equations.

The main problem with EE is that the EE equation is an OLE object. My main
DTP weapon (InDesign) can't even pretend to like anything from EE. OLE
objects are going to be trouble, have always been trouble, especially on
documents that are distributed to others.

MathType is the big brother of EE, and it has the ability to export .eps
files which are superb for printed books. Eps isn't so good for Microsoft's
apps, but most of the time it works. This isn't a simple process,
either...create the equation, export the eps, then import the file in Word,
Ppt, whatever. Then many PCL office printers cannot deal with .eps images
well.

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Tushar Mehta <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>OK, let's see how many can I offend with this post...
>
>Unlike many in academia, I opted against TeX and decided to use
>Equation Editor for my work. The doctoral dissertation surprised many
>who learnt how it was put together. EE for equations, with MS Word for
>the text and the composition, and Excel for most analysis. How messy
>were those equations? Well, in some cases, a single equation required
>almost a complete page.
>
>So, it is hard for me to give credence to, or even understand, people
>who claim that text boxes, however fancy, are superior to EE. But,
>then, I am not impressed by those who make the same claim about TeX.
>


Thanks for this -- I almost made a more offensive post than this since I use
powerpoint to teach high school math (Including Trig and Calculus) on an
almost daily basis (at least during the school year) and have done for the
last 2 years. I find even to type in a simple polynomial it's easier to use
Math Type than deal with the exponents through the native processing
capabilities of powerpoint. I can't imagine trying to do the symbols for
integrals and limits not to mention infinity, implications, and yes, even
square roots and any fractions beyond the simplest ones, on the scale needed
to teach an ongoing course, by using text boxes and drawing tools.

I can't imagine anyone thinking that animating a drawn symbol together with a
text box is easier than animating a single object put out by Math Type. Yes,
Equation Editor is a pain in the butt -- because it is entirely mouse
dependant. Math Type, on the other hand, can be set up to be virtually
completely keyborad dependant.

The concern about printing out slides is a valid one but once I realized I had
to have the fonts print as graphics I had no trouble with that except when the
correct fonts were not installed on the computer doing the printing.
The one other problem is whether the fonts will be available on the machine on
which the presentation is played or printed. This one has bit me in the butt
on occasion (sp?) For a one shot workshop that would be a concern. For an
ongoing class you simply make sure you install those fonts on your computer
even if Math Type is not installed.

I know very little about TeX -- I think I had it once on the Amiga which tells
you how long ago it was -- so I can't speak about that but most educational
institutions these days have Powerpoint available and teachers may not have an
option to use other editors..

I do recommend for anyone using PPT to teach in a classroom (rather than for a
workshop) that you project on a marker board (Whether or not it is math you
are teaching). The combo of PPT presentation and handwritten notes (arrows,
underlines, fill in the blanks, add extra info etc.) is more powerful than
either form on its own.


OK Rant off -- and thanks again for your post.

BJ

NJ

To animate an equation piece-by-piece, I would create the equation in
EE/MathType and then use PP's 'Ungroup' capability on a *copy* of the
object.

As far as DTP goes, I am far from an expert. My experiences are
limited to (a) having someone else take a Word document with EE
equations and publish it, and (b) printing PP slides for 'handouts,'
typically through Kinko's. For the latter, I've discovered that my
best bet is to switch the entire presentation to B&W/Grayscale display
and then adjust the BW/Grayscale attributes of those objects for which
PP's default algorithm doesn't do a good job.

--
Regards,

Tushar Mehta, MS MVP -- Excel
www.tushar-mehta.com
Excel, PowerPoint, and VBA add-ins, tutorials
Custom MS Office productivity solutions

In article <ORDd#(E-Mail Removed)>, johno@NoSpam!!!
heathkit.com says...
> > OK, let's see how many can I offend with this post...
>
> LOL, I agree with you, Tushar. If one needs to build animated equations
> piece by piece, then textboxes are probably the only easy way. But that will
> get old after four or five equations.
>
> The main problem with EE is that the EE equation is an OLE object. My main
> DTP weapon (InDesign) can't even pretend to like anything from EE. OLE
> objects are going to be trouble, have always been trouble, especially on
> documents that are distributed to others.
>
> MathType is the big brother of EE, and it has the ability to export .eps
> files which are superb for printed books. Eps isn't so good for Microsoft's
> apps, but most of the time it works. This isn't a simple process,
> either...create the equation, export the eps, then import the file in Word,
> Ppt, whatever. Then many PCL office printers cannot deal with .eps images
> well.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I'll let your commentary stand by itself. Little to add to it

On the issue of combination of PP and speaker-added annotations, yes,
done properly, this would fall into the category of the whole being
better than the sum of the parts. I don't use a marker board but a
Tablet PC. Same effect, except that the presenter has to be near the
laptop not at the board.

--
Regards,

Tushar Mehta, MS MVP -- Excel
www.tushar-mehta.com
Excel, PowerPoint, and VBA add-ins, tutorials
Custom MS Office productivity solutions

In article <ctecnVeyOZOYqqWiU-(E-Mail Removed)>, bj@notyour says...
> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, Tushar Mehta <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >OK, let's see how many can I offend with this post...
> >
> >Unlike many in academia, I opted against TeX and decided to use
> >Equation Editor for my work. The doctoral dissertation surprised many
> >who learnt how it was put together. EE for equations, with MS Word for
> >the text and the composition, and Excel for most analysis. How messy
> >were those equations? Well, in some cases, a single equation required
> >almost a complete page.
> >
> >So, it is hard for me to give credence to, or even understand, people
> >who claim that text boxes, however fancy, are superior to EE. But,
> >then, I am not impressed by those who make the same claim about TeX.
> >
>
>
> Thanks for this -- I almost made a more offensive post than this since I use
> powerpoint to teach high school math (Including Trig and Calculus) on an
> almost daily basis (at least during the school year) and have done for the
> last 2 years. I find even to type in a simple polynomial it's easier to use
> Math Type than deal with the exponents through the native processing
> capabilities of powerpoint. I can't imagine trying to do the symbols for
> integrals and limits not to mention infinity, implications, and yes, even
> square roots and any fractions beyond the simplest ones, on the scale needed
> to teach an ongoing course, by using text boxes and drawing tools.
>
> I can't imagine anyone thinking that animating a drawn symbol together with a
> text box is easier than animating a single object put out by Math Type. Yes,
> Equation Editor is a pain in the butt -- because it is entirely mouse
> dependant. Math Type, on the other hand, can be set up to be virtually
> completely keyborad dependant.
>
> The concern about printing out slides is a valid one but once I realized I had
> to have the fonts print as graphics I had no trouble with that except when the
> correct fonts were not installed on the computer doing the printing.
> The one other problem is whether the fonts will be available on the machine on
> which the presentation is played or printed. This one has bit me in the butt
> on occasion (sp?) For a one shot workshop that would be a concern. For an
> ongoing class you simply make sure you install those fonts on your computer
> even if Math Type is not installed.
>
> I know very little about TeX -- I think I had it once on the Amiga which tells
> you how long ago it was -- so I can't speak about that but most educational
> institutions these days have Powerpoint available and teachers may not have an
> option to use other editors..
>
> I do recommend for anyone using PPT to teach in a classroom (rather than for a
> workshop) that you project on a marker board (Whether or not it is math you
> are teaching). The combo of PPT presentation and handwritten notes (arrows,
> underlines, fill in the blanks, add extra info etc.) is more powerful than
> either form on its own.
>
>
> OK Rant off -- and thanks again for your post.
>
> BJ
>
> NJ
>
>
>
>

In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed) (Bob Mathews) wrote:

>BJ, you're correct that the fonts need to be on the computer you're
>using for the presentation or for printing, but it is possible to
>embed fonts into your PPT presentation or into your Word document,
>rather than installing them on the host computer. Be aware though that
>it is a more involved process than simply checking the "Embed TrueType
>fonts" in the SaveAs dialog. We have an article on our web site that
>deals with font embedding. For the article, see
>
><http://www.dessci.com/en/support/tsn/TSN50.htm>
>
>Bob Mathews (E-Mail Removed)
>Director of Training 830-990-9699
>http://www.dessci.com/free.asp?free=news
>FREE fully-functional 30-day evaluation of MathType 5
>Design Science, Inc. -- "How Science Communicates"
>MathType, WebEQ, MathPlayer, MathFlow, Equation Editor, TeXaide


Thanks Bob -- this came at an opportune time as I am about to embed a font for
the first time -- so I will definitely use your information.


BJ