I seem to be banging my head against a brick wall and need some pointers.

I have a client whose website is hosted on a Linux server with working FP
Extensions.

A web form on their website collects simple information (name, address,
years attended, location, etc.) and sends it to both an email address and a
..CSV file in the _private directory.

I want to be able to display some of the columns in the .CSV file on another
web page so that it is viewable by Netscape and MSIE, both of which I am
committed to support. This does not have to be real time but must be qucik
and easy if I am to manually do it, as I don't intend to charge for updating
this display.

I know that I can install an Excel web component and then cut and paste the
data from the .CSV file into it and it works great ... for MSIE only. That
means that this solution is out.

The database is only expected to be small -- up to maybe 300 records.

Can anyone suggest a solution other than switching over to Windows Hosting?

I am even fine with cutting and pasting, however when I open the .CSV file
in Excel and copy and paste into FP, it is not left in table form but as
lines of text. Any ideas on how to paste as a table?

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Wayne Moses
MS FrontPage 2003
MS Windows XP Home
Apache Server on RedHat Linux

Use PHP and MySQL, store the form data in the database then you can display it.

You can not use Access or Excel on Unix/Linux server.

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"Wayne Moses" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> I seem to be banging my head against a brick wall and need some pointers.
>
> I have a client whose website is hosted on a Linux server with working FP
> Extensions.
>
> A web form on their website collects simple information (name, address,
> years attended, location, etc.) and sends it to both an email address and a
> .CSV file in the _private directory.
>
> I want to be able to display some of the columns in the .CSV file on another
> web page so that it is viewable by Netscape and MSIE, both of which I am
> committed to support. This does not have to be real time but must be qucik
> and easy if I am to manually do it, as I don't intend to charge for updating
> this display.
>
> I know that I can install an Excel web component and then cut and paste the
> data from the .CSV file into it and it works great ... for MSIE only. That
> means that this solution is out.
>
> The database is only expected to be small -- up to maybe 300 records.
>
> Can anyone suggest a solution other than switching over to Windows Hosting?
>
> I am even fine with cutting and pasting, however when I open the .CSV file
> in Excel and copy and paste into FP, it is not left in table form but as
> lines of text. Any ideas on how to paste as a table?
>
> --
>
> Wayne Moses
> MS FrontPage 2003
> MS Windows XP Home
> Apache Server on RedHat Linux
>
>

You also should be able to use a text file as a database with PHP as well.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
http://www.ycoln-resources.com
FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

"Thomas A. Rowe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Use PHP and MySQL, store the form data in the database then you can display it.
>
> You can not use Access or Excel on Unix/Linux server.
>
> --
> ==============================================
> Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
> WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
> http://www.ycoln-resources.com
> FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
> ==============================================
> To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
> http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
>
> "Wayne Moses" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:4Nyic.20535$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I seem to be banging my head against a brick wall and need some pointers.
> >
> > I have a client whose website is hosted on a Linux server with working FP
> > Extensions.
> >
> > A web form on their website collects simple information (name, address,
> > years attended, location, etc.) and sends it to both an email address and a
> > .CSV file in the _private directory.
> >
> > I want to be able to display some of the columns in the .CSV file on another
> > web page so that it is viewable by Netscape and MSIE, both of which I am
> > committed to support. This does not have to be real time but must be qucik
> > and easy if I am to manually do it, as I don't intend to charge for updating
> > this display.
> >
> > I know that I can install an Excel web component and then cut and paste the
> > data from the .CSV file into it and it works great ... for MSIE only. That
> > means that this solution is out.
> >
> > The database is only expected to be small -- up to maybe 300 records.
> >
> > Can anyone suggest a solution other than switching over to Windows Hosting?
> >
> > I am even fine with cutting and pasting, however when I open the .CSV file
> > in Excel and copy and paste into FP, it is not left in table form but as
> > lines of text. Any ideas on how to paste as a table?
> >
> > --
> >
> > Wayne Moses
> > MS FrontPage 2003
> > MS Windows XP Home
> > Apache Server on RedHat Linux
> >
> >
>
>

"Thomas A. Rowe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Use PHP and MySQL, store the form data in the database then you can
display it.

That's what I thought. Looks like I will have to learn PHP programming to
make this work ...?

For now, I managed to find a bot more laborious method of doing a
copy-and-paste ... open the CSV file, copy the block you need, paste into
Word, save as HTML, open the HTML plage and copy the table, paste into FP
and voila!

I am using Office97. Maybe the newer versions are a little more direct in
document sharing ...?
--

Wayne Moses
MS FrontPage 2003
MS Windows XP Home
Apache Server on RedHat Linux

You should be able to shorten your steps a bit. Open the CVS file (in
notepad) and paste it directly into FrontPage, then use Table | Convert |
Text to Tables.

That has the added advantage of not adding a bunch of Word HTML code to your
page.

You should be able to easily adapt one of the following to display your csv
file via php without learning both a database and php:
http://codewalkers.com/seecode/275.html
http://fsck.dk/downloads/csvconvert.txt
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum88/2626.htm (reading the thread should
answer most questions)

--
Cheryl D. Wise
MS-MVP-FrontPage
http://mvp.wiserways.com
"Wayne Moses" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "Thomas A. Rowe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Use PHP and MySQL, store the form data in the database then you can
> display it.
>
> That's what I thought. Looks like I will have to learn PHP programming to
> make this work ...?
>
> For now, I managed to find a bot more laborious method of doing a
> copy-and-paste ... open the CSV file, copy the block you need, paste into
> Word, save as HTML, open the HTML plage and copy the table, paste into FP
> and voila!
>
> I am using Office97. Maybe the newer versions are a little more direct in
> document sharing ...?

Thanks for all the tips, Cheryl. I don't have the time tonight but will look
into it tomorrow and let you know how I made out.

Wayne


"Cheryl Wise" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> You should be able to shorten your steps a bit. Open the CVS file (in
> notepad) and paste it directly into FrontPage, then use Table | Convert |
> Text to Tables.
>
> That has the added advantage of not adding a bunch of Word HTML code to
your
> page.
>
> You should be able to easily adapt one of the following to display your
csv
> file via php without learning both a database and php:
> http://codewalkers.com/seecode/275.html
> http://fsck.dk/downloads/csvconvert.txt
> http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum88/2626.htm (reading the thread should
> answer most questions)

"Cheryl Wise" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> You should be able to shorten your steps a bit. Open the CVS file (in
> notepad) and paste it directly into FrontPage, then use Table | Convert |
> Text to Tables.

I knew about this technique but the problem is the wizard is not perfect.
Some of the cells are misaligned, and I am also forced to take the whole
line item, whereas I only want a part of it. Going the intermediate route
through Excel and Word is easier in the long run as I get the columns I need
and in the smaller font that I use (not the default 12 pt Arial that tables
always seem to like to come up in (must be a default somewhere that I can
fix).

> That has the added advantage of not adding a bunch of Word HTML code to
your
> page.

I know what you mean.

I have since bought a Visual Quickstart Guide on "PHP for the World Wide
Web" by Larry Ullman and will be learning some PHP. Then your links below
will make even more sense and I won't have to do this cut and paste manual
editing. The real trick would be to manipulate a mySQL database so that
deletions from the list of line items can be reflected real-time. This is
not possible with a CSV file approach. Thanks again.

> You should be able to easily adapt one of the following to display your
csv
> file via php without learning both a database and php:
> http://codewalkers.com/seecode/275.html
> http://fsck.dk/downloads/csvconvert.txt
> http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum88/2626.htm (reading the thread should
> answer most questions)

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Wayne Moses
MS FrontPage 2003
MS Windows XP Home
Apache Server on RedHat Linux

"Wayne Moses" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "Cheryl Wise" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> You should be able to shorten your steps a bit. Open the CVS file (in
>> notepad) and paste it directly into FrontPage, then use Table | Convert |
>> Text to Tables.
>
> I knew about this technique but the problem is the wizard is not perfect.
> Some of the cells are misaligned, and I am also forced to take the whole
> line item, whereas I only want a part of it. Going the intermediate route
> through Excel and Word is easier in the long run as I get the columns I
> need
> and in the smaller font that I use (not the default 12 pt Arial that
> always seem to like to come up in tables(must be a default somewhere that
> I can
> fix).That has the added advantage of not adding a bunch of Word HTML code
> to
> your page.
> I know what you mean.

Unless you are missing a comma I would not have expected any alignment
problems. if you use an external stylesheet you will solve the text size
problem without all the Word code. When you use Word you get inline styles
on every line that. really bloats your code.


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Cheryl D. Wise
MS-MVP-FrontPage
(E-Mail Removed)

"Cheryl Wise" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Unless you are missing a comma I would not have expected any alignment
> problems.

That was my thinking as well, but the form was writing directly from the web
form to the CSV file, and I would think that it would be consistent in
putting the correct number of commas in where there were blanks in the form.
I must admit I have not researched that particular problem very well so
there could be an explanation.

> if you use an external stylesheet you will solve the text size
> problem without all the Word code.

I guess an embedded style won't do the trick, huh?

> When you use Word you get inline styles on every line that. really bloats
your code.

Ain't that the truth. Another reason I want to get away from this manual
editing business.

Wayne

Maybe the pope filling out the form are using commas in their entries. That
can cause the sort of problems you described. Not much you can do if that is
the case unless you want to write validation code to remove commas before
inserting the text into the database.

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Cheryl D. Wise
MS-MVP-FrontPage
(E-Mail Removed)


"Wayne Moses" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>
> "Cheryl Wise" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>> Unless you are missing a comma I would not have expected any alignment
>> problems.
>
> That was my thinking as well, but the form was writing directly from the
> web
> form to the CSV file, and I would think that it would be consistent in
> putting the correct number of commas in where there were blanks in the
> form.
> I must admit I have not researched that particular problem very well so
> there could be an explanation.
>
>> if you use an external stylesheet you will solve the text size
>> problem without all the Word code.
>
> I guess an embedded style won't do the trick, huh?
>
>> When you use Word you get inline styles on every line that. really bloats
> your code.
>
> Ain't that the truth. Another reason I want to get away from this manual
> editing business.
>
> Wayne
>
>