I suggest to discuss having a new vote wrt the Pricelessware site:

The vote would be:
There will be YES *ONE* official PL web site
There will be NO *ONE* official PL web site

*YES* There will be *ONE* official web site: *THE* Pricelessware site.

We will appoint, by vote, *THE* Pricelessware web master.

The Pricelessware web master:
+ keeps the site up to date (with help of group members and
site visitors)
+ is open for suggestions wrt how the website should be organized
(eventual discussions and votes/polls take place in the group)
+ should otherwise have complete controll over the web site
Obviously there is an issue with the current pricelessware.org
domain.

The official pricelessware web site needs to have a home (domain).
The pricelessware domain will be paid for by one or more group
members and there will necessarily be the ONE (legal) domain owner.

Neither those who pay for the domain, nor the (legal) domain owner
should have any rights whatsoever.
The group should have exclusive rights, for instance to appoint the
web master.
There is an issue with the current pricelessware.org domain.
+ Will Genna accept whoever is appointed as web master?
+ Will Genna allow whoever is appointed as web master to have
complete controll over the web site?
If yes to both these questions, pricelessware.org is preferred.
Otherwise another domain will be needed.

Note: There may be mirrors (more or less exact/uptodate copies).
There may also be other websites that do whatever they want with
the voting results.

*NO* There will be no official pricelessware web site.
Anyone can do whatever with the voting results.
Discussions and polls about how any of those sites should be
organized should preferrably take place on those sites, not in the
group.


With regards to every new version of the PL list:

We will every time appoint *seperately* the person who will manage the
voting process.
In case there will be *one* official web master, as dicussed above, the
web master may be but does not have to be the same person as the votes
manager.


What could all this mean for the current situation:

In case the vote result is: YES, *ONE* official PL web site:
Two issues have to be addressed:
+ Who will be web master? A new vote should take place.
Amongst possible candidates are of course: Susan and Garrett.
+ Where, on what domain, will the web site reside?
Is the current pricelessware.org domain acceptable?
- Will Genna allow complete controll over the web site?
- Will Genna accept whoever is appointed as web master?
If yes to both these questions, pricelessware.org is preferred.
Otherwise another domain will be needed.
I believe this issue has to be addressed *in any case* .

In case the vote result is: NO, *NO ONE* official PL web site:
I personally find it very hard to speculate about what that would mean
for the current situation.

What do you think?

--
Cheers,
Sietse Fliege

"Sietse Fliege" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
news:40e56403$0$123$(E-Mail Removed):

> I suggest to discuss having a new vote wrt the Pricelessware site:
>
> The vote would be:
> There will be YES *ONE* official PL web site
> There will be NO *ONE* official PL web site
>
> *YES* There will be *ONE* official web site: *THE* Pricelessware site.
>
> We will appoint, by vote, *THE* Pricelessware web master.


I vote YES to this official unhidden vote to have a vote that might
settle a vote to vote,,,,,,,etc.

cidr

"Gump Worsley's Mask" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in news:eLdFc.6810
$(E-Mail Removed):

> "Sietse Fliege" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> news:40e56403$0$123$(E-Mail Removed):
>
>> I suggest to discuss having a new vote wrt the Pricelessware site:
>>
>> The vote would be:
>> There will be YES *ONE* official PL web site
>> There will be NO *ONE* official PL web site
>>
>> *YES* There will be *ONE* official web site: *THE* Pricelessware
>> site.
>>
>> We will appoint, by vote, *THE* Pricelessware web master.
>
>
> I vote YES to this official unhidden vote to have a vote that might
> settle a vote to vote,,,,,,,etc.
>
(I know I should not be responding to any of this stuff, but just can't
keep my hands off the keyboard...)

My take on the situation is this:

1. Susan won't work with Genna or update any information on the
http://www.pricelessware.org.

2. Susan wants to move her files/work to another domain that Genna does
not control.

3. Geena wants to maintain ownership of the pricelessware.org domain.
(Just a guess on my part, I have not seen official word).

4. Anyone can setup a site extolling the virtues of freeware if they
want.

5. Anyone can call their web site the official Pricelessware web site.
Some will agree, many won't.

6. Taking a vote on forcing someone to give up a domain name seems
pointless to me. If Genna wants to keep the domain name and have someone
run the site, then that is her buisness.

7. Susan got a vote on splitting and starting a new web site. There
really seems little point in voting on this again since there will really
be no clear consensus.

8. It seems to me the best course of action is to have a vote (if anyone
really wants to continue to vote) on a new domain name. My thought is to
have Susan purchase whatever name is agreed on. If people want to make
donations to that, that is there decission.

9. If there is to be a separate owner of the new domain name, what is to
keep this from happening all over again. Maybe there can be an agreement
on who is to purchase this new domain name, but I am not hopefull.

10. I don't know Susan or Genna. I have only corresponded in this group
with Susan on a couple of different occasions.

11. I have followed this group for several years and have only posted
something when I thought I could add to the discussion. Hopefully, this
has added to the discussion, if not I apologize.

--
Frank Hahn

"Gump Worsley's Mask" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:eLdFc.6810$(E-Mail Removed)...
> "Sietse Fliege" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> news:40e56403$0$123$(E-Mail Removed):
>
> > I suggest to discuss having a new vote wrt the Pricelessware site:
> >
> > The vote would be:
> > There will be YES *ONE* official PL web site
> > There will be NO *ONE* official PL web site
> >
> > *YES* There will be *ONE* official web site: *THE* Pricelessware
site.
> >
> > We will appoint, by vote, *THE* Pricelessware web master.
>
>
> I vote YES to this official unhidden vote to have a vote that might
> settle a vote to vote,,,,,,,etc.
>

I vote yes to have NO MORE VOTES, and no new threads on the topic.

HK

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:32:38 +0200 "Sietse Fliege"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I suggest to discuss having a new vote wrt the Pricelessware site:
>
>The vote would be:
> There will be YES *ONE* official PL web site
> There will be NO *ONE* official PL web site

I suggest that, in the interest of completeness, you need to add a
third choice.

DGAS: Don't give a sh*t one way or the other.
--
john p.

Frank Hahn wrote:

> 8. It seems to me the best course of action is to have a vote (if anyone
> really wants to continue to vote) on a new domain name. My thought is to
> have Susan purchase whatever name is agreed on. If people want to make
> donations to that, that is there decission.

I agree. The question was would the pricelessware.org domain be
available. That question has been answered.

IMO it's time to move ahead - select and acquire a new domain name -
choose a host and get the new web site online ASAP.

> 9. If there is to be a separate owner of the new domain name, what is to
> keep this from happening all over again. Maybe there can be an agreement
> on who is to purchase this new domain name, but I am not hopefull.

IMO ATM there are three ownership/contol/power elements:

1. the donain name
2. the web site
3. the webmater/point person "job"

ISTM that having each one in separate hands gives us a fair amount of
protection. Additional safeguards may be a good idea - let's start with
separate "ownership" as a minimum.

Susan
--
Pricelessware:
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html

Sietse Fliege wrote:

> I suggest to discuss having a new vote wrt the Pricelessware site:
>
> What do you think?

Hello Sietse,

ISTM most newsgroup participants are sick and tired of discussion ATM. I
think a month or two from now makes more sense in terms of having a
*productive* discussion.

I think you have some very good ideas about what we should vote on. I
don't think now is the best time to discuss it.

JMVHO

Susan
--
Pricelessware:
alt.comp.freeware FAQ: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html

"Susan Bugher" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Frank Hahn wrote:
>
> > 8. It seems to me the best course of action is to have a vote (if
anyone
> > really wants to continue to vote) on a new domain name. My thought
is to
> > have Susan purchase whatever name is agreed on. If people want to
make
> > donations to that, that is there decission.
>
> I agree. The question was would the pricelessware.org domain be
> available. That question has been answered.
>
> IMO it's time to move ahead - select and acquire a new domain name -
> choose a host and get the new web site online ASAP.
>
> > 9. If there is to be a separate owner of the new domain name, what
is to
> > keep this from happening all over again. Maybe there can be an
agreement
> > on who is to purchase this new domain name, but I am not hopefull.
>
> IMO ATM there are three ownership/contol/power elements:
>
> 1. the donain name
> 2. the web site
> 3. the webmater/point person "job"
>
> ISTM that having each one in separate hands gives us a fair amount of
> protection. Additional safeguards may be a good idea - let's start
with
> separate "ownership" as a minimum.
>

Well stated Susan, I agree completely!.

HK

Susan Bugher wrote:

> Sietse Fliege wrote:
>
> > I suggest to discuss having a new vote wrt the Pricelessware site:
> >
> > What do you think?
>
> Hello Sietse,
>
> ISTM most newsgroup participants are sick and tired of discussion
> ATM. I think a month or two from now makes more sense in terms of
> having a productive discussion.
>
> I think you have some very good ideas about what we should vote on. I
> don't think now is the best time to discuss it.
>
> JMVHO
>
> Susan

Ditto...

and to add to that.. I just want things done in a fair, clear and
honest manner. That way, there can't be any legitimate arguements from
anyone. Anyone who argues about it after that is just way out of line
at that point.

-Garrett

"Sietse Fliege" <(E-Mail Removed)>
says in news:40e56403$0$123$(E-Mail Removed):

> I suggest to discuss having a new vote...

no more votes please....at least for now can we have
some fun instead??

--
RL
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