Why do any of the "elitist" web designers regard FP as a creator of dirty
html?
What does than mean, and is it true?
Thanks

Ask the "elitist" to define "Dirty HTML"

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
http://www.ycoln-resources.com
FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

"Scruff" <Get@Grip> wrote in message news:1f4fd$4255b394$42a1c643$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Why do any of the "elitist" web designers regard FP as a creator of dirty
> html?
> What does than mean, and is it true?
> Thanks
>
>

Some folks believe that generated HTML should pass specific HTML verification engines if is doe not then the page is considered
dirty.

In my early days I learned a single lesson that has served me well -- there are those things that are efficient but what good is
something that is efficient but is not effective. An example would be the CEO of a company needs a report, it may be efficient to
run the report when all reports are ran instead of stopping some other processing but then it would not be very effective if you
wish to respond to the CEO.

The bottom line is if it works on your target audience then it is an effective page; it may have to many <font> tags or this and
that and it may take an extra two seconds to display but who cares.

P.S. I believe you'll also find that those same folks take longer to get the task at hand accomplished ;>)

--
Mike -- FrontPage MVP '97-'02
J-Bots 2004 102 Components For FP
http://www.websunlimited.com
FrontPage Add-ins Since '97 FP 2003 / 2002 / 2000 Compatible
Download the Trial http://www.microsoft.com/frontpage/d...e/download.asp

"Scruff" <Get@Grip> wrote in message news:1f4fd$4255b394$42a1c643$(E-Mail Removed)...
> Why do any of the "elitist" web designers regard FP as a creator of dirty
> html?
> What does than mean, and is it true?
> Thanks
>
>

"Thomas A. Rowe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Ask the "elitist" to define "Dirty HTML"
Poor answer.



> "Scruff" <Get@Grip> wrote in message
news:1f4fd$4255b394$42a1c643$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Why do any of the "elitist" web designers regard FP as a creator of
dirty
> > html?
> > What does than mean, and is it true?
> > Thanks
> >
> >
>
>

Thanks, Mike
You've explained it perfectly and I appreciate the ed.

"MD Websunlimited" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Some folks believe that generated HTML should pass specific HTML
verification engines if is doe not then the page is considered
> dirty.
>
> In my early days I learned a single lesson that has served me well --
there are those things that are efficient but what good is
> something that is efficient but is not effective. An example would be the
CEO of a company needs a report, it may be efficient to
> run the report when all reports are ran instead of stopping some other
processing but then it would not be very effective if you
> wish to respond to the CEO.
>
> The bottom line is if it works on your target audience then it is an
effective page; it may have to many <font> tags or this and
> that and it may take an extra two seconds to display but who cares.
>
> P.S. I believe you'll also find that those same folks take longer to get
the task at hand accomplished ;>)
>
> --
> Mike -- FrontPage MVP '97-'02
> J-Bots 2004 102 Components For FP
> http://www.websunlimited.com
> FrontPage Add-ins Since '97 FP 2003 / 2002 / 2000 Compatible
> Download the Trial
http://www.microsoft.com/frontpage/d...e/download.asp
>
> "Scruff" <Get@Grip> wrote in message
news:1f4fd$4255b394$42a1c643$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Why do any of the "elitist" web designers regard FP as a creator of
dirty
> > html?
> > What does than mean, and is it true?
> > Thanks
> >
> >
>
>

Is that the html from an adult site?
< duck >

Tom Gahagan

Oh me... I hope he does not say that my answer is poor too.... what would I
do? roflmao.......


"Thomas A. Rowe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Ask the "elitist" to define "Dirty HTML"
>
> --
> ==============================================
> Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
> WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
> http://www.ycoln-resources.com
> FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
> ==============================================
> To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
> http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
>
> "Scruff" <Get@Grip> wrote in message
> news:1f4fd$4255b394$42a1c643$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Why do any of the "elitist" web designers regard FP as a creator of dirty
>> html?
>> What does than mean, and is it true?
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>
>

It is not a poor answer, as the people that say FP generates "Dirty HTML" should be able to explain
exactly what they mean by the statement, and should be able to support it, which would have
eliminate you coming here to ask what they meant.

Mike did provide a good answer, however that is his take on what they meant, to truly know what they
meant, means you would have to ask those that made the statement.

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
http://www.ycoln-resources.com
FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

"Scruff" <Get@Grip> wrote in message news:e8ef7$4255c752$42a1c643$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
> "Thomas A. Rowe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Ask the "elitist" to define "Dirty HTML"
> Poor answer.
>
>
>
>> "Scruff" <Get@Grip> wrote in message
> news:1f4fd$4255b394$42a1c643$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > Why do any of the "elitist" web designers regard FP as a creator of
> dirty
>> > html?
>> > What does than mean, and is it true?
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Your is a very poor answer! <vbg>

--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
http://www.ycoln-resources.com
FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp

"Tom Gahagan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Is that the html from an adult site?
> < duck >
>
> Tom Gahagan
>
> Oh me... I hope he does not say that my answer is poor too.... what would I do? roflmao.......
>
>
> "Thomas A. Rowe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Ask the "elitist" to define "Dirty HTML"
>>
>> --
>> ==============================================
>> Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
>> WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
>> http://www.ycoln-resources.com
>> FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
>> ==============================================
>> To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
>> http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
>>
>> "Scruff" <Get@Grip> wrote in message news:1f4fd$4255b394$42a1c643$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> Why do any of the "elitist" web designers regard FP as a creator of dirty
>>> html?
>>> What does than mean, and is it true?
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

> P.S. I believe you'll also find that those same folks take longer to get
> the task at hand accomplished ;>)

I disagree. I understand the standards (sorta) and code to them. I test,
but not over the top. My pages are finished in half the time they required
before I took the time to understand the benefits of standards coding.

However - in my mind, "dirty HTML" means more than code that doesn't
validate - it means code that contains frank errors. These errors may not
be seen in a browser, and they many not cause error messages, but they are
nasty, ew, dirty anyway. I mean things like this -

<td align=right><a href="foo.html">link</a></font></td>

There are two errors there - a) an attribute without quotes, and b) a
terminating tag without the corresponding opening tag. Why worry about
this? Well, for me, every byte of weight is something I jealously guard. A
nasty tag adds weight to the page. It MUST come out.

Earlier versions of FP were rather legendary for doing things like this. FP
2003 can produce completely clean pages if you let it.

--
Murray
============

"MD Websunlimited" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> Some folks believe that generated HTML should pass specific HTML
> verification engines if is doe not then the page is considered dirty.
>
> In my early days I learned a single lesson that has served me well --
> there are those things that are efficient but what good is something that
> is efficient but is not effective. An example would be the CEO of a
> company needs a report, it may be efficient to run the report when all
> reports are ran instead of stopping some other processing but then it
> would not be very effective if you wish to respond to the CEO.
>
> The bottom line is if it works on your target audience then it is an
> effective page; it may have to many <font> tags or this and that and it
> may take an extra two seconds to display but who cares.
>
> P.S. I believe you'll also find that those same folks take longer to get
> the task at hand accomplished ;>)
>
> --
> Mike -- FrontPage MVP '97-'02
> J-Bots 2004 102 Components For FP
> http://www.websunlimited.com
> FrontPage Add-ins Since '97 FP 2003 / 2002 / 2000 Compatible
> Download the Trial
> http://www.microsoft.com/frontpage/d...e/download.asp
>
> "Scruff" <Get@Grip> wrote in message
> news:1f4fd$4255b394$42a1c643$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Why do any of the "elitist" web designers regard FP as a creator of dirty
>> html?
>> What does than mean, and is it true?
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>
>

"Thomas A. Rowe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> It is not a poor answer, as the people that say FP generates "Dirty HTML"
should be able to explain
> exactly what they mean by the statement, and should be able to support it,
which would have
> eliminate you coming here to ask what they meant.

I already had their explanation. I wanted to hear an FP experts view on the
subject.
By posting here, I wasn't asking them, I was asking the experience in this
NG. As a "MVP", I would certainly expect an attempt at an answer instead of
a poor attempt at humorous cynicism/sarcasm.

> Mike did provide a good answer, however that is his take on what they
meant, to truly know what they
> meant, means you would have to ask those that made the statement.

At least I know his "take" on it. You've spent more time saying something
else other than sharing your knowledge. Mike's been here for years and has
always lent advice and a helping hand. He knows his stuff and I will
certainly take his word as accurate.




> ==============================================
> Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
> WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
> http://www.ycoln-resources.com
> FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
> ==============================================
> To assist you in getting the best answers for FrontPage support see:
> http://www.net-sites.com/sitebuilder/newsgroups.asp
>
> "Scruff" <Get@Grip> wrote in message
news:e8ef7$4255c752$42a1c643$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> > "Thomas A. Rowe" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> Ask the "elitist" to define "Dirty HTML"
> > Poor answer.
> >
> >
> >
> >> "Scruff" <Get@Grip> wrote in message
> > news:1f4fd$4255b394$42a1c643$(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > Why do any of the "elitist" web designers regard FP as a creator of
> > dirty
> >> > html?
> >> > What does than mean, and is it true?
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>