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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:43:14 -0500, "Sugien" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote in post:
>
>"Laura Fredericks" wrote in message
>>Have you all seen the bushy-browed one's latest post in ahm? He
>>admits being an extortionist! What a sleazeball! And an army vet,
>>at that!
>>
>>"How many here have read years ago about my little device which I
>>used to make money during playoffs by turning off TVs during
>>playoff season and then going into a sports bar and having them pay
>>me to fix their TV?"
>> -Sugien in alt.hackers.malicious on 1/14/08

>Yes I did that back in my early 20's which is over 30 years ago So
>fricken what!

Admission to extortion noted.

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4Q's "wicked evil bitch of satire, parody, humor and trollism"

PGP key ID - DH/DSS 2048/1024: 0xC753039A

usenet flamewars:
http://www.queenofcyberspace.com/usenet/

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Laura Fredericks <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:43:14 -0500, "Sugien" <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote in post:
>>
>>"Laura Fredericks" wrote in message
>>>Have you all seen the bushy-browed one's latest post in ahm? He
>>>admits being an extortionist! What a sleazeball! And an army vet,
>>>at that!
>>>
>>>"How many here have read years ago about my little device which I
>>>used to make money during playoffs by turning off TVs during
>>>playoff season and then going into a sports bar and having them pay
>>>me to fix their TV?"
>>> -Sugien in alt.hackers.malicious on 1/14/08
>
>>Yes I did that back in my early 20's which is over 30 years ago So
>>fricken what!
>
> Admission to extortion noted.

So what did happen with the picture gallery?


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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:09:05 GMT, Dustin Cook
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in post:
>So what did happen with the picture gallery?

Angelfire took it down. I'm guessing it's 'cause Dimbulb contacted them.
I could've fought it and had them put it back, since this happened AFTER
Dimbulb sent me his new photo. But, why bother?

Thank you, Raid.

Laura Fredericks <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:09:05 GMT, Dustin Cook
> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in post:
>>So what did happen with the picture gallery?
>
> Angelfire took it down. I'm guessing it's 'cause Dimbulb contacted
them.
> I could've fought it and had them put it back, since this happened
AFTER
> Dimbulb sent me his new photo. But, why bother?
>
> Thank you, Raid.

Sugien sent me an email awhile back, when your site originally went
offline for some angelfire user agreement violation. Neither sugien or
myself reported your site, for what it's worth.

If you had kept the site on your own domain and just kept your word on
things, none of that sillyness would ever have happened.

So, I guess I'm wondering, was taking a shot at sugien really worth
trashing the picture gallery? I would tend to think it's not worth it. I
enjoyed the picture gallery, and I suspect many others did as well.

In the future if your going to take charge and build a community like you
did with the picture gallery, don't abuse it to assualt someone you don't
like. Let 4Q risk his sites, no need for you to do the same.




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"Dustin Cook" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Laura Fredericks <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:43:14 -0500, "Sugien" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>> wrote in post:
>>>
>>>"Laura Fredericks" wrote in message
>>>>Have you all seen the bushy-browed one's latest post in ahm? He
>>>>admits being an extortionist! What a sleazeball! And an army vet,
>>>>at that!
>>>>
>>>>"How many here have read years ago about my little device which I
>>>>used to make money during playoffs by turning off TVs during
>>>>playoff season and then going into a sports bar and having them pay
>>>>me to fix their TV?"
>>>> -Sugien in alt.hackers.malicious on 1/14/08
>>
>>>Yes I did that back in my early 20's which is over 30 years ago So
>>>fricken what!
>>
>> Admission to extortion noted.
>
> So what did happen with the picture gallery?
>
>
iirc, she *said* that she took it down on her own, but I have my doubts.
She does still have all the illegal web captures from my web cam up on a
geocities page. She even jokes on the page;


"And remember, kiddies... Soooooooge says:
"None of these graphics or graphics resulting from a screen capture of my
live web cam may be duplicated, copied, uploaded to another server or linked
to."

I do think it ironic that one of the captions reads "2 Cool 2 B Remembered "
, is on the same page that she has dedicated to me which in effect keeps me
remembered, is a hoot.

I have decided to no longer send in any DCMA for hero worship pages like
hers because it only goes to show that she is infatuated with me. However
maybe and only maybe if and or when I my rich uncle dies in the poor house
or I get some ginormous inheritance or hit the lottery or some other way
that I get not only rich but wealthy I may at that time see the page in a
different light; but I sincerely doubt it; because in the final analysis her
poor excuse for a tribute page is nothing more then the delusional ramblings
of a want to be drama queen whose life is so lonely it is filled with the
quiet desperation of a life that has passed he by with only the memory of
dead cats and furbies to fill he waning years. Because of her having either
no or very limited real life friends she spends her day searching the
internet for virtual friends and because of her personality she has little
of no success, so she lashes out at people in an attempt to get them to talk
to her; because any conversation is better then none.
I truly feel sorry for not only her but all those that she attacks in an
attempt to force some sort of excitement into her drab dreary poor excuse
for a life.



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"Sugien" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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> "Dustin Cook" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A2FC493CAE8AHHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121...
>> Laura Fredericks <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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>>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:43:14 -0500, "Sugien"
>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in post:
>>>>
>>>>"Laura Fredericks" wrote in message
>>>>>Have you all seen the bushy-browed one's latest post in ahm? He
>>>>>admits being an extortionist! What a sleazeball! And an army vet,
>>>>>at that!
>>>>>
>>>>>"How many here have read years ago about my little device which I
>>>>>used to make money during playoffs by turning off TVs during
>>>>>playoff season and then going into a sports bar and having them pay
>>>>>me to fix their TV?"
>>>>> -Sugien in alt.hackers.malicious on 1/14/08
>>>
>>>>Yes I did that back in my early 20's which is over 30 years ago So
>>>>fricken what!
>>>
>>> Admission to extortion noted.
>>
>> So what did happen with the picture gallery?
>>
>>
> iirc, she *said* that she took it down on her own, but I have my
> doubts. She does still have all the illegal web captures from my web
> cam up on a geocities page. She even jokes on the page;

She already replied to my question, and I have no reason to doubt her
claims. Only the one in so far as either of us having anything to do with
it. I know neither of us did.

> I do think it ironic that one of the captions reads "2 Cool 2 B
> Remembered " , is on the same page that she has dedicated to me which
> in effect keeps me remembered, is a hoot.

You know, Sugien.. I still have alot of respect for Laura. Granted, it
caused a ruckus here getting her to remove your picture; But in the end,
she did. I don't know what happened with the gallery, I don't think she
should have ever moved it from her site. I liked it myself, I even
contributed to it.

> I have decided to no longer send in any DCMA for hero worship pages
> like hers because it only goes to show that she is infatuated with me.

I'm glad to hear it. I only sent 1 dmca notice to 4Q's hosting provider
over the picture, and that's primarily because he dared me to try.
Otherwise, I don't send those things to anyone.


> However maybe and only maybe if and or when I my rich uncle dies in
> the poor house or I get some ginormous inheritance or hit the lottery
> or some other way that I get not only rich but wealthy I may at that
> time see the page in a different light; but I sincerely doubt it;

Personally, I'd just let it be. Laura isn't completely bad you know. Yes,
she makes wiseass remarks concerning your family; but you did kinda
invite that. You shouldn't discuss your family in a troll environment. I
still occasionally remind my mom how foolish her posts to usenet were.
Yes, she really made them, and she thought she was doing it for my
benefit. Understandable, but not necessary.

> because in the final analysis her poor excuse for a tribute page is
> nothing more then the delusional ramblings of a want to be drama queen

Sugien, Laura *IS* a drama queen. She'd even tell you as much.

Really, as long as I've known her over usenet and even with all the
fights I had with her during my raid days, I still don't think badly of
her.

> whose life is so lonely it is filled with the quiet desperation of a
> life that has passed he by with only the memory of dead cats and

I suspect she has a social life of sorts. Everbody does, even you.

Another reason why I respect Laura sugien is because she knows you and I
are old associates from a long time ago, and I didn't attack her to get
"favor" with you or ahm. I think I treated you as I would have wanted to
be treated in that case. You had a valid issue with Laura and asked if I
could help, being as I know her.

I still think the issue is resolved,and you and Laura have no need to
continue this pointless fight.

Besides, 4Q is the focal point now. Let's not lose track.



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> "Sugien" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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>
>> "Dustin Cook" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9A2FC493CAE8AHHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121...
>>> Laura Fredericks <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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>>>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:43:14 -0500, "Sugien"
>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in post:
>>>>>
>>>>>"Laura Fredericks" wrote in message
>>>>>>Have you all seen the bushy-browed one's latest post in ahm? He
>>>>>>admits being an extortionist! What a sleazeball! And an army vet,
>>>>>>at that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"How many here have read years ago about my little device which I
>>>>>>used to make money during playoffs by turning off TVs during
>>>>>>playoff season and then going into a sports bar and having them pay
>>>>>>me to fix their TV?"
>>>>>> -Sugien in alt.hackers.malicious on 1/14/08
>>>>
>>>>>Yes I did that back in my early 20's which is over 30 years ago So
>>>>>fricken what!
>>>>
>>>> Admission to extortion noted.
>>>
>>> So what did happen with the picture gallery?
>>>
>>>
>> iirc, she *said* that she took it down on her own, but I have my
>> doubts. She does still have all the illegal web captures from my web
>> cam up on a geocities page. She even jokes on the page;
>
> She already replied to my question, and I have no reason to doubt her
> claims. Only the one in so far as either of us having anything to do with
> it. I know neither of us did.
>
>> I do think it ironic that one of the captions reads "2 Cool 2 B
>> Remembered " , is on the same page that she has dedicated to me which
>> in effect keeps me remembered, is a hoot.
>
> You know, Sugien.. I still have alot of respect for Laura. Granted, it
> caused a ruckus here getting her to remove your picture; But in the end,
> she did. I don't know what happened with the gallery, I don't think she
> should have ever moved it from her site. I liked it myself, I even
> contributed to it.
>
>> I have decided to no longer send in any DCMA for hero worship pages
>> like hers because it only goes to show that she is infatuated with me.
>
> I'm glad to hear it. I only sent 1 dmca notice to 4Q's hosting provider
> over the picture, and that's primarily because he dared me to try.
> Otherwise, I don't send those things to anyone.
>
>
>> However maybe and only maybe if and or when I my rich uncle dies in
>> the poor house or I get some ginormous inheritance or hit the lottery
>> or some other way that I get not only rich but wealthy I may at that
>> time see the page in a different light; but I sincerely doubt it;
>
> Personally, I'd just let it be. Laura isn't completely bad you know. Yes,
> she makes wiseass remarks concerning your family; but you did kinda
> invite that. You shouldn't discuss your family in a troll environment. I
> still occasionally remind my mom how foolish her posts to usenet were.
> Yes, she really made them, and she thought she was doing it for my
> benefit. Understandable, but not necessary.
>
>> because in the final analysis her poor excuse for a tribute page is
>> nothing more then the delusional ramblings of a want to be drama queen
>
> Sugien, Laura *IS* a drama queen. She'd even tell you as much.
>
> Really, as long as I've known her over usenet and even with all the
> fights I had with her during my raid days, I still don't think badly of
> her.
>
>> whose life is so lonely it is filled with the quiet desperation of a
>> life that has passed he by with only the memory of dead cats and
>
> I suspect she has a social life of sorts. Everbody does, even you.
>
> Another reason why I respect Laura sugien is because she knows you and I
> are old associates from a long time ago, and I didn't attack her to get
> "favor" with you or ahm. I think I treated you as I would have wanted to
> be treated in that case. You had a valid issue with Laura and asked if I
> could help, being as I know her.
>
> I still think the issue is resolved,and you and Laura have no need to
> continue this pointless fight.
>
> Besides, 4Q is the focal point now. Let's not lose track.
>
shhhh, you will have 4q thinking we are doing something behind the seams to
out him or something, lol

As for Laura, About the only thing I ever objected to was her attacks
on my wife and children; because my wife has never posted on Usenet a single
solitary time, and the only time she was mentioned at all was when she
inadvertently walked behind me when I was running my live web cam and I was
asked who she was and I said she was my wife the insults and taunts started
because my Wife has health problems with diabetes and thyroid and is over
the normal weight for her height and body type.
At least 4q to his credit when he went over the line (egged on by Laura
iirc) did eventually apologize. I can not only forgive but forget; but
forgiveness has the request of the person admitting to their self and the
person whom they attacked that they were in the wrong for attacking someone
that was not only a non-combatant but doesn't even like computers or use one
or post to Usenet. She knows she went across the line in attacking my wife;
but for what ever reason just like the picture when she is in the wrong she
tries to not only hide it from the online community; but also from herself
so that she can think in her own mind at least that she has done nothing
wrong.



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\}

"Sugien" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Dustin Cook" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> "Sugien" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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>>>> Laura Fredericks <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
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>>>>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:43:14 -0500, "Sugien"
>>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in post:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Laura Fredericks" wrote in message
>>>>>>>Have you all seen the bushy-browed one's latest post in ahm? He
>>>>>>>admits being an extortionist! What a sleazeball! And an army vet,
>>>>>>>at that!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"How many here have read years ago about my little device which I
>>>>>>>used to make money during playoffs by turning off TVs during
>>>>>>>playoff season and then going into a sports bar and having them pay
>>>>>>>me to fix their TV?"
>>>>>>> -Sugien in alt.hackers.malicious on 1/14/08
>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes I did that back in my early 20's which is over 30 years ago So
>>>>>>fricken what!
>>>>>
>>>>> Admission to extortion noted.
>>>>
>>>> So what did happen with the picture gallery?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> iirc, she *said* that she took it down on her own, but I have my
>>> doubts. She does still have all the illegal web captures from my web
>>> cam up on a geocities page. She even jokes on the page;
>>
>> She already replied to my question, and I have no reason to doubt her
>> claims. Only the one in so far as either of us having anything to do with
>> it. I know neither of us did.

???? You know I sent in a DMCA to Angelfire; before she agreed to take it
down; because I sent you a copy of what I sent did I not? I still don't
know if that is why it was removed or not.

>>
>>> I do think it ironic that one of the captions reads "2 Cool 2 B
>>> Remembered " , is on the same page that she has dedicated to me which
>>> in effect keeps me remembered, is a hoot.
>>
>> You know, Sugien.. I still have alot of respect for Laura. Granted, it
>> caused a ruckus here getting her to remove your picture; But in the end,
>> she did. I don't know what happened with the gallery, I don't think she
>> should have ever moved it from her site. I liked it myself, I even
>> contributed to it.

I had nothing against it ether other then she refused to obey her own
instructions about removing my image. I had even emailed her telling her in
a joking manner something about like this "Laura you never know, you could
remove my image like I am asking and then I could just as well send you one
to put up". It wasn't only because she was using it without permission that
irked me; but rather her blatant "I am going to keep it up and there isn't
one dammed thing you can do about it" attitude which I objected to. I think
I showed that when I sent her a picture to use after she acquiesced and took
my image down.


>>
>>> I have decided to no longer send in any DCMA for hero worship pages
>>> like hers because it only goes to show that she is infatuated with me.
>>
>> I'm glad to hear it. I only sent 1 dmca notice to 4Q's hosting provider
>> over the picture, and that's primarily because he dared me to try.
>> Otherwise, I don't send those things to anyone.
>>
>>
>>> However maybe and only maybe if and or when I my rich uncle dies in
>>> the poor house or I get some ginormous inheritance or hit the lottery
>>> or some other way that I get not only rich but wealthy I may at that
>>> time see the page in a different light; but I sincerely doubt it;
>>
>> Personally, I'd just let it be. Laura isn't completely bad you know. Yes,

hmmm, maybe 99.999% because I don't know of anyone that is completely bad
Actually I would agree if she were to have the same intestinal fortitude Q
had when he admitted to being in the wrong for attacking my wife and family
and if she were to apologize like what he did, it would go a long way in my
book to change my opinion of her. Sadly however I think in her mind she has
done no wrong and that truly is a sad think for her; because attacking
someone that is undeserved of such an attack is bad enough but to be either
so self centered to do such a thing or even worse to attack an innocent as a
way to try and attack a third party by proxy is one of the lowest forms of
attack.


>> she makes wiseass remarks concerning your family; but you did kinda
>> invite that. You shouldn't discuss your family in a troll environment. I

Simply telling someone that the person that crossed behind you in a live web
cam shot does not or at least should not to civil people invite attacks
against them. I never discussed my family until *after* they were attacked
and only then to defend them; because of their having absolutely nothing to
do with the whole thing.

>> still occasionally remind my mom how foolish her posts to usenet were.
>> Yes, she really made them, and she thought she was doing it for my
>> benefit. Understandable, but not necessary.

Your mom posted to Usenet; but my wife did *not* there is quite a huge
difference! And to attack a persons children, under age children at that is
quite uncalled for. Expressly seeing as how my youngest that was attacked
was only iirc 13-15 at the time, Well lets see she turned 19 late last
year, so you can do the math.

>>
>>> because in the final analysis her poor excuse for a tribute page is
>>> nothing more then the delusional ramblings of a want to be drama queen
>>
>> Sugien, Laura *IS* a drama queen. She'd even tell you as much.

Again there is a differance between being a drama queen and being a hatefull
one, that attacks a persons wife and children which are non-combatents
>>
>> Really, as long as I've known her over usenet and even with all the
>> fights I had with her during my raid days, I still don't think badly of
>> her.

Like I said, even 4Q had the guts and knew and *admitted* he crossed the
line and even then without Laura's egging him on he may not have crossed the
line; but it was Laura that put him onto bringing my wife into the foray in
the first place , iirc, and then after he crossed the line she joined him
there. But as I said at least Q, redeemed himself, well at least as far as
I am concerned when he admitted his wrong doing and his apology


>>
>>> whose life is so lonely it is filled with the quiet desperation of a
>>> life that has passed he by with only the memory of dead cats and
>>
>> I suspect she has a social life of sorts. Everbody does, even you.

I have been spending less and less time on my computer; because I have been
devoting more and more time to helping people in my community. I have been
using most of my time online in discussions concerning religion; because it
is far more important then any petty differences in most of these groups. I
have found however that even the religious study groups are being
infiltrated with trolls, all be it trolls of a different kind; because they
are admitted agnostics and atheists that come into groups that believe in
God and try and tell the regulars that they are foolish for believing in
God; but then I guess it is sort of like virus writers and or virus
releasers coming into an anti-virus group and releasing source code or
advocating the writing and or releasing of virus.




>>
>> Another reason why I respect Laura sugien is because she knows you and I
>> are old associates from a long time ago, and I didn't attack her to get
>> "favor" with you or ahm. I think I treated you as I would have wanted to
>> be treated in that case. You had a valid issue with Laura and asked if I
>> could help, being as I know her.
>>
>> I still think the issue is resolved,and you and Laura have no need to
>> continue this pointless fight.

See above about 4Q and his admitting to going across the line and
apologizing and Laura although not being quite as blatant about it none the
less imho, likewise crossed the line; because of my wife and kids being
non-combatants.


>>
>> Besides, 4Q is the focal point now. Let's not lose track.
>>
> shhhh, you will have 4q thinking we are doing something behind the seams
> to out him or something, lol
>
> As for Laura, About the only thing I ever objected to was her attacks
> on my wife and children; because my wife has never posted on Usenet a
> single solitary time, and the only time she was mentioned at all was when
> she inadvertently walked behind me when I was running my live web cam and
> I was asked who she was and I said she was my wife the insults and taunts
> started because my Wife has health problems with diabetes and thyroid and
> is over the normal weight for her height and body type.
> At least 4q to his credit when he went over the line (egged on by
> Laura iirc) did eventually apologize. I can not only forgive but forget;
> but forgiveness has the request of the person admitting to their self and
> the person whom they attacked that they were in the wrong for attacking
> someone that was not only a non-combatant but doesn't even like computers
> or use one or post to Usenet. She knows she went across the line in
> attacking my wife; but for what ever reason just like the picture when she
> is in the wrong she tries to not only hide it from the online community;
> but also from herself so that she can think in her own mind at least that
> she has done nothing wrong.
>
>
>

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~~~~\}
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>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:43:14 -0500, "Sugien"
>>>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in post:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Laura Fredericks" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>Have you all seen the bushy-browed one's latest post in ahm? He
>>>>>>>>admits being an extortionist! What a sleazeball! And an army
>>>>>>>>vet, at that!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"How many here have read years ago about my little device which
>>>>>>>>I used to make money during playoffs by turning off TVs during
>>>>>>>>playoff season and then going into a sports bar and having them
>>>>>>>>pay me to fix their TV?"
>>>>>>>> -Sugien in alt.hackers.malicious on 1/14/08
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes I did that back in my early 20's which is over 30 years ago
>>>>>>>So fricken what!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Admission to extortion noted.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what did happen with the picture gallery?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> iirc, she *said* that she took it down on her own, but I have my
>>>> doubts. She does still have all the illegal web captures from my
>>>> web cam up on a geocities page. She even jokes on the page;
>>>
>>> She already replied to my question, and I have no reason to doubt
>>> her claims. Only the one in so far as either of us having anything
>>> to do with it. I know neither of us did.
>
> ???? You know I sent in a DMCA to Angelfire; before she agreed to take
> it down; because I sent you a copy of what I sent did I not? I still
> don't know if that is why it was removed or not.

Yes, I know you sent one. The thing is tho, if they had acted on your
DMCA notice, the site would have been downed withen 2 days. Not a week or
more later.

Unless you sent another one?

> I had nothing against it ether other then she refused to obey her own
> instructions about removing my image. I had even emailed her telling

Which was also my beef with her. She was intentionally ignoring your
request, even tho she wrote that she'd remove pictures if asked to do so.


> her in a joking manner something about like this "Laura you never
> know, you could remove my image like I am asking and then I could just
> as well send you one to put up". It wasn't only because she was using
> it without permission that irked me; but rather her blatant "I am
> going to keep it up and there isn't one dammed thing you can do about
> it" attitude which I objected to. I think I showed that when I sent
> her a picture to use after she acquiesced and took my image down.
>
>
>>>
>>>> I have decided to no longer send in any DCMA for hero worship pages
>>>> like hers because it only goes to show that she is infatuated with
>>>> me.
>>>
>>> I'm glad to hear it. I only sent 1 dmca notice to 4Q's hosting
>>> provider over the picture, and that's primarily because he dared me
>>> to try. Otherwise, I don't send those things to anyone.
>>>
>>>
>>>> However maybe and only maybe if and or when I my rich uncle dies
>>>> in
>>>> the poor house or I get some ginormous inheritance or hit the
>>>> lottery or some other way that I get not only rich but wealthy I
>>>> may at that time see the page in a different light; but I sincerely
>>>> doubt it;
>>>
>>> Personally, I'd just let it be. Laura isn't completely bad you know.
>>> Yes,
>
> hmmm, maybe 99.999% because I don't know of anyone that is completely
> bad Actually I would agree if she were to have the same intestinal
> fortitude Q had when he admitted to being in the wrong for attacking
> my wife and family and if she were to apologize like what he did, it
> would go a long way in my book to change my opinion of her. Sadly
> however I think in her mind she has done no wrong and that truly is a
> sad think for her; because attacking someone that is undeserved of
> such an attack is bad enough but to be either so self centered to do
> such a thing or even worse to attack an innocent as a way to try and
> attack a third party by proxy is one of the lowest forms of attack.
>
>
>>> she makes wiseass remarks concerning your family; but you did kinda
>>> invite that. You shouldn't discuss your family in a troll
>>> environment. I
>
> Simply telling someone that the person that crossed behind you in a
> live web cam shot does not or at least should not to civil people
> invite attacks against them. I never discussed my family until
> *after* they were attacked and only then to defend them; because of
> their having absolutely nothing to do with the whole thing.
>
>>> still occasionally remind my mom how foolish her posts to usenet
>>> were. Yes, she really made them, and she thought she was doing it
>>> for my benefit. Understandable, but not necessary.
>
> Your mom posted to Usenet; but my wife did *not* there is quite a huge
> difference! And to attack a persons children, under age children at
> that is quite uncalled for. Expressly seeing as how my youngest that
> was attacked was only iirc 13-15 at the time, Well lets see she
> turned 19 late last year, so you can do the math.
>
>>>
>>>> because in the final analysis her poor excuse for a tribute page is
>>>> nothing more then the delusional ramblings of a want to be drama
>>>> queen
>>>
>>> Sugien, Laura *IS* a drama queen. She'd even tell you as much.
>
> Again there is a differance between being a drama queen and being a
> hatefull one, that attacks a persons wife and children which are
> non-combatents
>>>
>>> Really, as long as I've known her over usenet and even with all the
>>> fights I had with her during my raid days, I still don't think badly
>>> of her.
>
> Like I said, even 4Q had the guts and knew and *admitted* he crossed
> the line and even then without Laura's egging him on he may not have
> crossed the line; but it was Laura that put him onto bringing my wife
> into the foray in the first place , iirc, and then after he crossed
> the line she joined him there. But as I said at least Q, redeemed
> himself, well at least as far as I am concerned when he admitted his
> wrong doing and his apology
>
>
>>>
>>>> whose life is so lonely it is filled with the quiet desperation of
>>>> a life that has passed he by with only the memory of dead cats and
>>>
>>> I suspect she has a social life of sorts. Everbody does, even you.
>>>
>
> I have been spending less and less time on my computer; because I have
> been devoting more and more time to helping people in my community. I
> have been using most of my time online in discussions concerning
> religion; because it is far more important then any petty differences
> in most of these groups. I have found however that even the religious
> study groups are being infiltrated with trolls, all be it trolls of a
> different kind; because they are admitted agnostics and atheists that
> come into groups that believe in God and try and tell the regulars
> that they are foolish for believing in God; but then I guess it is
> sort of like virus writers and or virus releasers coming into an
> anti-virus group and releasing source code or advocating the writing
> and or releasing of virus.
>
>
>
>
>>>
>>> Another reason why I respect Laura sugien is because she knows you
>>> and I are old associates from a long time ago, and I didn't attack
>>> her to get "favor" with you or ahm. I think I treated you as I would
>>> have wanted to be treated in that case. You had a valid issue with
>>> Laura and asked if I could help, being as I know her.
>>>
>>> I still think the issue is resolved,and you and Laura have no need
>>> to continue this pointless fight.
>
> See above about 4Q and his admitting to going across the line and
> apologizing and Laura although not being quite as blatant about it
> none the less imho, likewise crossed the line; because of my wife and
> kids being non-combatants.
>
>
>>>
>>> Besides, 4Q is the focal point now. Let's not lose track.
>>>
>> shhhh, you will have 4q thinking we are doing something behind the
>> seams to out him or something, lol
>>
>> As for Laura, About the only thing I ever objected to was her
>> attacks
>> on my wife and children; because my wife has never posted on Usenet a
>> single solitary time, and the only time she was mentioned at all was
>> when she inadvertently walked behind me when I was running my live
>> web cam and I was asked who she was and I said she was my wife the
>> insults and taunts started because my Wife has health problems with
>> diabetes and thyroid and is over the normal weight for her height and
>> body type.
>> At least 4q to his credit when he went over the line (egged on by
>> Laura iirc) did eventually apologize. I can not only forgive but
>> forget; but forgiveness has the request of the person admitting to
>> their self and the person whom they attacked that they were in the
>> wrong for attacking someone that was not only a non-combatant but
>> doesn't even like computers or use one or post to Usenet. She knows
>> she went across the line in attacking my wife; but for what ever
>> reason just like the picture when she is in the wrong she tries to
>> not only hide it from the online community; but also from herself so
>> that she can think in her own mind at least that she has done nothing
>> wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>



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>>>
>>> "Dustin Cook" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>>>> news:Xns9A2FC493CAE8AHHI2948AJD832@69.28.186.121...
>>>>>> Laura Fredericks <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>>>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed):
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:43:14 -0500, "Sugien"
>>>>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in post:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Laura Fredericks" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>Have you all seen the bushy-browed one's latest post in ahm? He
>>>>>>>>>admits being an extortionist! What a sleazeball! And an army
>>>>>>>>>vet, at that!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"How many here have read years ago about my little device which
>>>>>>>>>I used to make money during playoffs by turning off TVs during
>>>>>>>>>playoff season and then going into a sports bar and having them
>>>>>>>>>pay me to fix their TV?"
>>>>>>>>> -Sugien in alt.hackers.malicious on 1/14/08
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes I did that back in my early 20's which is over 30 years ago
>>>>>>>>So fricken what!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Admission to extortion noted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what did happen with the picture gallery?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> iirc, she *said* that she took it down on her own, but I have my
>>>>> doubts. She does still have all the illegal web captures from my
>>>>> web cam up on a geocities page. She even jokes on the page;
>>>>
>>>> She already replied to my question, and I have no reason to doubt
>>>> her claims. Only the one in so far as either of us having anything
>>>> to do with it. I know neither of us did.
>>
>> ???? You know I sent in a DMCA to Angelfire; before she agreed to take
>> it down; because I sent you a copy of what I sent did I not? I still
>> don't know if that is why it was removed or not.
>
> Yes, I know you sent one. The thing is tho, if they had acted on your
> DMCA notice, the site would have been downed withen 2 days. Not a week or
> more later.
>
> Unless you sent another one?

I don't think I did; but my memory is getting a tad lazy

>
>> I had nothing against it ether other then she refused to obey her own
>> instructions about removing my image. I had even emailed her telling
>
> Which was also my beef with her. She was intentionally ignoring your
> request, even tho she wrote that she'd remove pictures if asked to do so.
>
>
>> her in a joking manner something about like this "Laura you never
>> know, you could remove my image like I am asking and then I could just
>> as well send you one to put up". It wasn't only because she was using
>> it without permission that irked me; but rather her blatant "I am
>> going to keep it up and there isn't one dammed thing you can do about
>> it" attitude which I objected to. I think I showed that when I sent
>> her a picture to use after she acquiesced and took my image down.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> I have decided to no longer send in any DCMA for hero worship pages
>>>>> like hers because it only goes to show that she is infatuated with
>>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad to hear it. I only sent 1 dmca notice to 4Q's hosting
>>>> provider over the picture, and that's primarily because he dared me
>>>> to try. Otherwise, I don't send those things to anyone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> However maybe and only maybe if and or when I my rich uncle dies
>>>>> in
>>>>> the poor house or I get some ginormous inheritance or hit the
>>>>> lottery or some other way that I get not only rich but wealthy I
>>>>> may at that time see the page in a different light; but I sincerely
>>>>> doubt it;
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I'd just let it be. Laura isn't completely bad you know.
>>>> Yes,
>>
>> hmmm, maybe 99.999% because I don't know of anyone that is completely
>> bad Actually I would agree if she were to have the same intestinal
>> fortitude Q had when he admitted to being in the wrong for attacking
>> my wife and family and if she were to apologize like what he did, it
>> would go a long way in my book to change my opinion of her. Sadly
>> however I think in her mind she has done no wrong and that truly is a
>> sad think for her; because attacking someone that is undeserved of
>> such an attack is bad enough but to be either so self centered to do
>> such a thing or even worse to attack an innocent as a way to try and
>> attack a third party by proxy is one of the lowest forms of attack.
>>
>>
>>>> she makes wiseass remarks concerning your family; but you did kinda
>>>> invite that. You shouldn't discuss your family in a troll
>>>> environment. I
>>
>> Simply telling someone that the person that crossed behind you in a
>> live web cam shot does not or at least should not to civil people
>> invite attacks against them. I never discussed my family until
>> *after* they were attacked and only then to defend them; because of
>> their having absolutely nothing to do with the whole thing.
>>
>>>> still occasionally remind my mom how foolish her posts to usenet
>>>> were. Yes, she really made them, and she thought she was doing it
>>>> for my benefit. Understandable, but not necessary.
>>
>> Your mom posted to Usenet; but my wife did *not* there is quite a huge
>> difference! And to attack a persons children, under age children at
>> that is quite uncalled for. Expressly seeing as how my youngest that
>> was attacked was only iirc 13-15 at the time, Well lets see she
>> turned 19 late last year, so you can do the math.
>>
>>>>
>>>>> because in the final analysis her poor excuse for a tribute page is
>>>>> nothing more then the delusional ramblings of a want to be drama
>>>>> queen
>>>>
>>>> Sugien, Laura *IS* a drama queen. She'd even tell you as much.
>>
>> Again there is a differance between being a drama queen and being a
>> hatefull one, that attacks a persons wife and children which are
>> non-combatents
>>>>
>>>> Really, as long as I've known her over usenet and even with all the
>>>> fights I had with her during my raid days, I still don't think badly
>>>> of her.
>>
>> Like I said, even 4Q had the guts and knew and *admitted* he crossed
>> the line and even then without Laura's egging him on he may not have
>> crossed the line; but it was Laura that put him onto bringing my wife
>> into the foray in the first place , iirc, and then after he crossed
>> the line she joined him there. But as I said at least Q, redeemed
>> himself, well at least as far as I am concerned when he admitted his
>> wrong doing and his apology
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> whose life is so lonely it is filled with the quiet desperation of
>>>>> a life that has passed he by with only the memory of dead cats and
>>>>
>>>> I suspect she has a social life of sorts. Everbody does, even you.
>>>>
>>
>> I have been spending less and less time on my computer; because I have
>> been devoting more and more time to helping people in my community. I
>> have been using most of my time online in discussions concerning
>> religion; because it is far more important then any petty differences
>> in most of these groups. I have found however that even the religious
>> study groups are being infiltrated with trolls, all be it trolls of a
>> different kind; because they are admitted agnostics and atheists that
>> come into groups that believe in God and try and tell the regulars
>> that they are foolish for believing in God; but then I guess it is
>> sort of like virus writers and or virus releasers coming into an
>> anti-virus group and releasing source code or advocating the writing
>> and or releasing of virus.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Another reason why I respect Laura sugien is because she knows you
>>>> and I are old associates from a long time ago, and I didn't attack
>>>> her to get "favor" with you or ahm. I think I treated you as I would
>>>> have wanted to be treated in that case. You had a valid issue with
>>>> Laura and asked if I could help, being as I know her.
>>>>
>>>> I still think the issue is resolved,and you and Laura have no need
>>>> to continue this pointless fight.
>>
>> See above about 4Q and his admitting to going across the line and
>> apologizing and Laura although not being quite as blatant about it
>> none the less imho, likewise crossed the line; because of my wife and
>> kids being non-combatants.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Besides, 4Q is the focal point now. Let's not lose track.
>>>>
>>> shhhh, you will have 4q thinking we are doing something behind the
>>> seams to out him or something, lol
>>>
>>> As for Laura, About the only thing I ever objected to was her
>>> attacks
>>> on my wife and children; because my wife has never posted on Usenet a
>>> single solitary time, and the only time she was mentioned at all was
>>> when she inadvertently walked behind me when I was running my live
>>> web cam and I was asked who she was and I said she was my wife the
>>> insults and taunts started because my Wife has health problems with
>>> diabetes and thyroid and is over the normal weight for her height and
>>> body type.
>>> At least 4q to his credit when he went over the line (egged on by
>>> Laura iirc) did eventually apologize. I can not only forgive but
>>> forget; but forgiveness has the request of the person admitting to
>>> their self and the person whom they attacked that they were in the
>>> wrong for attacking someone that was not only a non-combatant but
>>> doesn't even like computers or use one or post to Usenet. She knows
>>> she went across the line in attacking my wife; but for what ever
>>> reason just like the picture when she is in the wrong she tries to
>>> not only hide it from the online community; but also from herself so
>>> that she can think in her own mind at least that she has done nothing
>>> wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

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