I have created a form in Outlook 2003, but when I digitally sign the form it
is received as a blank email with my signature block. I am new at this forms
design element, and any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Karl Knighton

Custom forms and email digital signatures simply don't mix. See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279106.

For other limitations and prerequisites for message forms, see http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=61

--
Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
Author of Microsoft Outlook 2007 Programming:
Jumpstart for Power Users and Administrators
http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=54


"Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:3AAFD81C-437D-4638-B730-(E-Mail Removed)...
>I have created a form in Outlook 2003, but when I digitally sign the form it
> is received as a blank email with my signature block. I am new at this forms
> design element, and any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Karl Knighton

Thanks Sue, this may be the first that you have answered from officially but
there have been many more un-official answers reaped from this forum.

Without taking the time yet to read through the two shortcuts you posted, is
it possible to add a macro that would take the digital signature and add it
into the form?

Thanks again, and I look forward to pestering you with more questions about
these forms.

"Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:

> Custom forms and email digital signatures simply don't mix. See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279106.
>
> For other limitations and prerequisites for message forms, see http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=61
>
> --
> Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
> Author of Microsoft Outlook 2007 Programming:
> Jumpstart for Power Users and Administrators
> http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=54
>
>
> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:3AAFD81C-437D-4638-B730-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >I have created a form in Outlook 2003, but when I digitally sign the form it
> > is received as a blank email with my signature block. I am new at this forms
> > design element, and any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Karl Knighton
>

No, Outlook has no programmatic methods for applying a digital signature to a message. The best you might be able to do is use CommandBars to display the related dialog for signing.

--
Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
Author of Microsoft Outlook 2007 Programming:
Jumpstart for Power Users and Administrators
http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=54


"Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:9C969C1D-0862-4C14-9472-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Thanks Sue, this may be the first that you have answered from officially but
> there have been many more un-official answers reaped from this forum.
>
> Without taking the time yet to read through the two shortcuts you posted, is
> it possible to add a macro that would take the digital signature and add it
> into the form?
>
> Thanks again, and I look forward to pestering you with more questions about
> these forms.
>
> "Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
>
>> Custom forms and email digital signatures simply don't mix. See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279106.
>>
>> For other limitations and prerequisites for message forms, see http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=61
>>
>> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:3AAFD81C-437D-4638-B730-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >I have created a form in Outlook 2003, but when I digitally sign the form it
>> > is received as a blank email with my signature block. I am new at this forms
>> > design element, and any help would be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Karl Knighton
>>

Hi Sue, I'm back. My office is now upgrading to 2007 and I was wondering,
with the update, will I have the ability to include digital signatures?

"Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:

> No, Outlook has no programmatic methods for applying a digital signature to a message. The best you might be able to do is use CommandBars to display the related dialog for signing.
>
> --
> Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
> Author of Microsoft Outlook 2007 Programming:
> Jumpstart for Power Users and Administrators
> http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=54
>
>
> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:9C969C1D-0862-4C14-9472-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Thanks Sue, this may be the first that you have answered from officially but
> > there have been many more un-official answers reaped from this forum.
> >
> > Without taking the time yet to read through the two shortcuts you posted, is
> > it possible to add a macro that would take the digital signature and add it
> > into the form?
> >
> > Thanks again, and I look forward to pestering you with more questions about
> > these forms.
> >
> > "Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
> >
> >> Custom forms and email digital signatures simply don't mix. See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279106.
> >>
> >> For other limitations and prerequisites for message forms, see http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=61
> >>
> >> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:3AAFD81C-437D-4638-B730-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >I have created a form in Outlook 2003, but when I digitally sign the form it
> >> > is received as a blank email with my signature block. I am new at this forms
> >> > design element, and any help would be appreciated.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Karl Knighton
> >>
>

Nothing has changed in that area.
--
Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
Author of Microsoft Outlook 2007 Programming:
Jumpstart for Power Users and Administrators
http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=54


"Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:E924EC7A-3F46-4BAC-8151-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Hi Sue, I'm back. My office is now upgrading to 2007 and I was wondering,
> with the update, will I have the ability to include digital signatures?
>
> "Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
>
>> No, Outlook has no programmatic methods for applying a digital signature to a message. The best you might be able to do is use CommandBars to display the related dialog for signing.
>>
>> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:9C969C1D-0862-4C14-9472-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > Thanks Sue, this may be the first that you have answered from officially but
>> > there have been many more un-official answers reaped from this forum.
>> >
>> > Without taking the time yet to read through the two shortcuts you posted, is
>> > it possible to add a macro that would take the digital signature and add it
>> > into the form?
>> >
>> > Thanks again, and I look forward to pestering you with more questions about
>> > these forms.
>> >
>> > "Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Custom forms and email digital signatures simply don't mix. See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279106.
>> >>
>> >> For other limitations and prerequisites for message forms, see http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=61
>> >>
>> >> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:3AAFD81C-437D-4638-B730-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >I have created a form in Outlook 2003, but when I digitally sign the form it
>> >> > is received as a blank email with my signature block. I am new at this forms
>> >> > design element, and any help would be appreciated.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks,
>> >> > Karl Knighton
>> >>
>>

Just for my understanding, what is it in the custom forms that does not play
nice with digital signatures? Being that a regular email message is a form
and I can digitally sign those, what happens when I customize the form that
takes that property away? As I understand it, all that Outlook is doing is
sending the certificates from my CAC card along with the form to be verified
on the other end. Am I missing a step in the logic, or am I asking the wrong
questions?

"Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:

> Nothing has changed in that area.
> --
> Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
> Author of Microsoft Outlook 2007 Programming:
> Jumpstart for Power Users and Administrators
> http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=54
>
>
> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:E924EC7A-3F46-4BAC-8151-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Hi Sue, I'm back. My office is now upgrading to 2007 and I was wondering,
> > with the update, will I have the ability to include digital signatures?
> >
> > "Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
> >
> >> No, Outlook has no programmatic methods for applying a digital signature to a message. The best you might be able to do is use CommandBars to display the related dialog for signing.
> >>
> >> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:9C969C1D-0862-4C14-9472-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > Thanks Sue, this may be the first that you have answered from officially but
> >> > there have been many more un-official answers reaped from this forum.
> >> >
> >> > Without taking the time yet to read through the two shortcuts you posted, is
> >> > it possible to add a macro that would take the digital signature and add it
> >> > into the form?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks again, and I look forward to pestering you with more questions about
> >> > these forms.
> >> >
> >> > "Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Custom forms and email digital signatures simply don't mix. See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279106.
> >> >>
> >> >> For other limitations and prerequisites for message forms, see http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=61
> >> >>
> >> >> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:3AAFD81C-437D-4638-B730-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >> >I have created a form in Outlook 2003, but when I digitally sign the form it
> >> >> > is received as a blank email with my signature block. I am new at this forms
> >> >> > design element, and any help would be appreciated.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> > Karl Knighton
> >> >>
> >>
>

A message using the standard message form, however, does not have customization information to carry with it. Microsoft simply didn't design the two to work together. (You might notice that a signed message has a special value for MessageClass; that would seem to leave little room for it also have a MessageClass pointing to a published custom form.) In fact, message forms in general are difficult to implement -- impossible in many organizations. They're a dead-end technology.

--
Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
Author of Microsoft Outlook 2007 Programming:
Jumpstart for Power Users and Administrators
http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=54


"Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:ACCEC681-9DBC-401D-91BB-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Just for my understanding, what is it in the custom forms that does not play
> nice with digital signatures? Being that a regular email message is a form
> and I can digitally sign those, what happens when I customize the form that
> takes that property away? As I understand it, all that Outlook is doing is
> sending the certificates from my CAC card along with the form to be verified
> on the other end. Am I missing a step in the logic, or am I asking the wrong
> questions?
>
> "Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
>
>> Nothing has changed in that area.
>>
>> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:E924EC7A-3F46-4BAC-8151-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > Hi Sue, I'm back. My office is now upgrading to 2007 and I was wondering,
>> > with the update, will I have the ability to include digital signatures?
>> >
>> > "Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> No, Outlook has no programmatic methods for applying a digital signature to a message. The best you might be able to do is use CommandBars to display the related dialog for signing.
>> >>
>> >> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:9C969C1D-0862-4C14-9472-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> > Thanks Sue, this may be the first that you have answered from officially but
>> >> > there have been many more un-official answers reaped from this forum.
>> >> >
>> >> > Without taking the time yet to read through the two shortcuts you posted, is
>> >> > it possible to add a macro that would take the digital signature and add it
>> >> > into the form?
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks again, and I look forward to pestering you with more questions about
>> >> > these forms.
>> >> >
>> >> > "Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Custom forms and email digital signatures simply don't mix. See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279106.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> For other limitations and prerequisites for message forms, see http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=61
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:3AAFD81C-437D-4638-B730-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> >I have created a form in Outlook 2003, but when I digitally sign the form it
>> >> >> > is received as a blank email with my signature block. I am new at this forms
>> >> >> > design element, and any help would be appreciated.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks,
>> >> >> > Karl Knighton
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>

Would a digital signature work on a template? Would I also be able to print
off a template just like a regular e-mail?

"Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:

> A message using the standard message form, however, does not have customization information to carry with it. Microsoft simply didn't design the two to work together. (You might notice that a signed message has a special value for MessageClass; that would seem to leave little room for it also have a MessageClass pointing to a published custom form.) In fact, message forms in general are difficult to implement -- impossible in many organizations. They're a dead-end technology.
>
> --
> Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
> Author of Microsoft Outlook 2007 Programming:
> Jumpstart for Power Users and Administrators
> http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=54
>
>
> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:ACCEC681-9DBC-401D-91BB-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Just for my understanding, what is it in the custom forms that does not play
> > nice with digital signatures? Being that a regular email message is a form
> > and I can digitally sign those, what happens when I customize the form that
> > takes that property away? As I understand it, all that Outlook is doing is
> > sending the certificates from my CAC card along with the form to be verified
> > on the other end. Am I missing a step in the logic, or am I asking the wrong
> > questions?
> >
> > "Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
> >
> >> Nothing has changed in that area.
> >>
> >> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:E924EC7A-3F46-4BAC-8151-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > Hi Sue, I'm back. My office is now upgrading to 2007 and I was wondering,
> >> > with the update, will I have the ability to include digital signatures?
> >> >
> >> > "Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> No, Outlook has no programmatic methods for applying a digital signature to a message. The best you might be able to do is use CommandBars to display the related dialog for signing.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:9C969C1D-0862-4C14-9472-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >> > Thanks Sue, this may be the first that you have answered from officially but
> >> >> > there have been many more un-official answers reaped from this forum.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Without taking the time yet to read through the two shortcuts you posted, is
> >> >> > it possible to add a macro that would take the digital signature and add it
> >> >> > into the form?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks again, and I look forward to pestering you with more questions about
> >> >> > these forms.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Custom forms and email digital signatures simply don't mix. See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279106.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> For other limitations and prerequisites for message forms, see http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=61
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:3AAFD81C-437D-4638-B730-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >> >> >I have created a form in Outlook 2003, but when I digitally sign the form it
> >> >> >> > is received as a blank email with my signature block. I am new at this forms
> >> >> >> > design element, and any help would be appreciated.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Thanks,
> >> >> >> > Karl Knighton
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
>

By template, do you mean an .oft file? If it has no custom fields (which is the only scenario in which an .oft file is viable these days), I would expect it to work. But you're in a better position to find out by trying it yourself.

--
Sue Mosher, Outlook MVP
Author of Microsoft Outlook 2007 Programming:
Jumpstart for Power Users and Administrators
http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=54


"Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:9AF7E2EE-8F75-4DA6-957C-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Would a digital signature work on a template? Would I also be able to print
> off a template just like a regular e-mail?
>
> "Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
>
>> A message using the standard message form, however, does not have customization information to carry with it. Microsoft simply didn't design the two to work together. (You might notice that a signed message has a special value for MessageClass; that would seem to leave little room for it also have a MessageClass pointing to a published custom form.) In fact, message forms in general are difficult to implement -- impossible in many organizations. They're a dead-end technology.

>>
>> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:ACCEC681-9DBC-401D-91BB-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > Just for my understanding, what is it in the custom forms that does not play
>> > nice with digital signatures? Being that a regular email message is a form
>> > and I can digitally sign those, what happens when I customize the form that
>> > takes that property away? As I understand it, all that Outlook is doing is
>> > sending the certificates from my CAC card along with the form to be verified
>> > on the other end. Am I missing a step in the logic, or am I asking the wrong
>> > questions?
>> >
>> > "Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Nothing has changed in that area.
>> >>
>> >> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:E924EC7A-3F46-4BAC-8151-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> > Hi Sue, I'm back. My office is now upgrading to 2007 and I was wondering,
>> >> > with the update, will I have the ability to include digital signatures?
>> >> >
>> >> > "Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> No, Outlook has no programmatic methods for applying a digital signature to a message. The best you might be able to do is use CommandBars to display the related dialog for signing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:9C969C1D-0862-4C14-9472-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> > Thanks Sue, this may be the first that you have answered from officially but
>> >> >> > there have been many more un-official answers reaped from this forum.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Without taking the time yet to read through the two shortcuts you posted, is
>> >> >> > it possible to add a macro that would take the digital signature and add it
>> >> >> > into the form?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks again, and I look forward to pestering you with more questions about
>> >> >> > these forms.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > "Sue Mosher [MVP-Outlook]" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Custom forms and email digital signatures simply don't mix. See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279106.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> For other limitations and prerequisites for message forms, see http://www.outlookcode.com/article.aspx?id=61
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "Karl Knighton" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:3AAFD81C-437D-4638-B730-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> >> >> >I have created a form in Outlook 2003, but when I digitally sign the form it
>> >> >> >> > is received as a blank email with my signature block. I am new at this forms
>> >> >> >> > design element, and any help would be appreciated.