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BillW50
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      21st Aug 2010
Anyway I believe this is a Windows XP problem dealing with MS Word 2000.
When I copy into Word 2000 from like IE6, Word will quit working with
the clipboard. Closing Word and reopening it will make it start working
once again.

About a year ago, I was testing a number of XP systems and stopped
updating Windows. This worked so well on my test machines that I stopped
all of the rest of them. So nowadays I only get hotfixes that actually
fix a problem that I am having. Although this one computer I restored
from the Recovery CD just last week. And there are no new updates on it
since 2005 (well just KB909095). And I never seen this problem before.
Most likely because I always used updates in the past. So I am looking
for a hotfix that will fix this problem. Anybody have any ideas?

On Google I have found some references to this problem showing up if
you have MS Works installed. This OEM version does have MS Works v8. I
don't use it, but I hate to delete it just in case. As the only way to
get it back is through the Recovery DVD once again.

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VanguardLH
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      21st Aug 2010
BillW50 wrote:

> Anyway I believe this is a Windows XP problem dealing with MS Word 2000.


Stop using Microsoft's NNTP server. Microsoft is scrambling away from
Usenet. You'll need to use a non-Microsoft NNTP server to see the
microsoft.public.* groups that Microsoft hasn't already killed on their
NNTP server.

microsoft.public.word.*

Those newsgroups are still there. Maybe not on Microsoft's NNTP server
but then Microsoft isn't Usenet. Use a different NNTP server, like
Albasani, Eternal-September, individual.net, Giganews, etc.

> When I copy into Word 2000 from like IE6, Word will quit working with
> the clipboard. Closing Word and reopening it will make it start working
> once again.
>
> About a year ago, I was testing a number of XP systems and stopped
> updating Windows. This worked so well on my test machines that I stopped
> all of the rest of them. So nowadays I only get hotfixes that actually
> fix a problem that I am having. Although this one computer I restored
> from the Recovery CD just last week. And there are no new updates on it
> since 2005 (well just KB909095). And I never seen this problem before.
> Most likely because I always used updates in the past. So I am looking
> for a hotfix that will fix this problem. Anybody have any ideas?


Save an image of the OS partition (which is probably also where you
installed the apps). Do ALL the updates for however you have to spend
since there are many that you didn't deploy simply because they might
not have addressed a particular issue that you knew of at the time.
Make sure to do all Windows AND Office updates. Then retest. If that
doesn't fix the problem, well, you have the image to let you restore
your host back to its partially updated state.

Also uninstall any utilities that intercept the clipboard functionality
in Windows, like ClipMate or ClipMagic or the many other clipboard
managers available. I don't remember back to Word 2000 if it had the
Office Clipboard feature at that time or it only relied on the Windows
clipboard.
 
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BillW50
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      21st Aug 2010
In news:i4pc8j$9n0$(E-Mail Removed),
VanguardLH typed on Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:17:29 -0500:
> BillW50 wrote:
>
>> Anyway I believe this is a Windows XP problem dealing with MS Word
>> 2000.

>
> Stop using Microsoft's NNTP server. Microsoft is scrambling away from
> Usenet. You'll need to use a non-Microsoft NNTP server to see the
> microsoft.public.* groups that Microsoft hasn't already killed on
> their NNTP server.
>
> microsoft.public.word.*
>
> Those newsgroups are still there. Maybe not on Microsoft's NNTP
> server but then Microsoft isn't Usenet. Use a different NNTP server,
> like Albasani, Eternal-September, individual.net, Giganews, etc.


Oh okay I gotcha! I do use other newsgroup servers, but I haven't used
them for Microsoft newsgroups for many years. I guess it is time once
again. ;-)

>> When I copy into Word 2000 from like IE6, Word will quit working with
>> the clipboard. Closing Word and reopening it will make it start
>> working once again.
>>
>> About a year ago, I was testing a number of XP systems and stopped
>> updating Windows. This worked so well on my test machines that I
>> stopped all of the rest of them. So nowadays I only get hotfixes
>> that actually fix a problem that I am having. Although this one
>> computer I restored from the Recovery CD just last week. And there
>> are no new updates on it since 2005 (well just KB909095). And I
>> never seen this problem before. Most likely because I always used
>> updates in the past. So I am looking for a hotfix that will fix this
>> problem. Anybody have any ideas?

>
> Save an image of the OS partition (which is probably also where you
> installed the apps). Do ALL the updates for however you have to spend
> since there are many that you didn't deploy simply because they might
> not have addressed a particular issue that you knew of at the time.
> Make sure to do all Windows AND Office updates. Then retest. If that
> doesn't fix the problem, well, you have the image to let you restore
> your host back to its partially updated state.


I am actually running off a restored copy on a totally different drive
right now. I do this to test my backups and restores to make sure they
actually work. It is terrible if you don't do this and just make backups
for years and when disaster hits you later learn your backups are truly
worthless.

I have all updates for Office 2000 already which I forgot to mention in
my original post. I didn't run it without the updates for Office 2000 so
I don't know if the problem was there too before the updates.

Over the past 20 years I have been burned so many times by updates for
the OS system. So I really don't want any update that doesn't fix a
problem that I am having. And since I don't get viruses, I don't value
security updates either. And getting all hotfixes and security updates
really does bloat and slow down your OS. So I don't like any unnecessary
ones. Just the ones that actually fix something. ;-)

> Also uninstall any utilities that intercept the clipboard
> functionality in Windows, like ClipMate or ClipMagic or the many
> other clipboard managers available. I don't remember back to Word
> 2000 if it had the Office Clipboard feature at that time or it only
> relied on the Windows clipboard.


Yes I also use Smart Type Assistant v1.5 which stores something like the
last 15 clips. And I also use PureText too (handy for pasting in plain
text only). But I disabled both of these and no change.

And yes Word 2000 does use the Office Clipboard feature. And I
personally don't like it since Smart Type Assistant is far better
anyway. And is there a trick to permanently disable the little bugger?

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VanguardLH
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      22nd Aug 2010
BillW50 wrote:

> Word 2000 does use the Office Clipboard feature. And I personally
> don't like it since Smart Type Assistant is far better anyway. And is
> there a trick to permanently disable the little bugger?


http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;207438

I don't like Office Clipboard, either, and instead prefer the ClipMate
clipboard manager that I bought. However, I haven't yet had a conflict
between Office Clipboard and ClipMate.
 
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BillW50
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      22nd Aug 2010
In news:i4pq33$70u$(E-Mail Removed),
VanguardLH typed on Sat, 21 Aug 2010 19:13:40 -0500:
> BillW50 wrote:
>
>> Word 2000 does use the Office Clipboard feature. And I personally
>> don't like it since Smart Type Assistant is far better anyway. And is
>> there a trick to permanently disable the little bugger?

>
> http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;207438
>
> I don't like Office Clipboard, either, and instead prefer the ClipMate
> clipboard manager that I bought. However, I haven't yet had a
> conflict between Office Clipboard and ClipMate.


Oh wow! That works very nicely. I made a reg file that should do the
same thing if somebody looks this up someday.

>>>>> Start <<<<<


Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\9.0\Common\General]
"AcbControl"=dword:00000001

>>>>> End <<<<<


I like Smart Type Assistant and PureText because I never found anything
that they ever conflict with. Plus Smart Type Assistant also has
AutoCorrect and AutoReplace just like Word does. Except it works in any
application. The reason why I was interested in turning off the Office
Clipboard is because I never use it anyway and it is just annoying.

Whoa! Guess what? Turning off MS Office 2000 clipboard seems to fix the
copy and paste problem too. Wow, killing two birds with one stone. Many
thanks VanguardLH.

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PA Bear [MS MVP]
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      22nd Aug 2010
cf. http://www.microsoft.com/communities...s/default.mspx

You will find support for MS Word in this forum now:
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/...create/threads
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MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002


BillW50 wrote:
> Anyway I believe this is a Windows XP problem dealing with MS Word 2000.
> When I copy into Word 2000 from like IE6, Word will quit working with
> the clipboard. Closing Word and reopening it will make it start working
> once again.
>
> About a year ago, I was testing a number of XP systems and stopped
> updating Windows. This worked so well on my test machines that I stopped
> all of the rest of them. So nowadays I only get hotfixes that actually
> fix a problem that I am having. Although this one computer I restored
> from the Recovery CD just last week. And there are no new updates on it
> since 2005 (well just KB909095). And I never seen this problem before.
> Most likely because I always used updates in the past. So I am looking
> for a hotfix that will fix this problem. Anybody have any ideas?
>
> On Google I have found some references to this problem showing up if
> you have MS Works installed. This OEM version does have MS Works v8. I
> don't use it, but I hate to delete it just in case. As the only way to
> get it back is through the Recovery DVD once again.


 
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Greg Russell
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      23rd Aug 2010
In news:(E-Mail Removed),
BillW50 <(E-Mail Removed)> typed:

> Anyway I believe this is a Windows XP problem dealing with MS Word
> 2000. When I copy into Word 2000 from like IE6, Word will quit
> working with the clipboard. Closing Word and reopening it will make
> it start working once again.


http://openoffice.org will solve all those problems for you.


 
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Craven Moorehead
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      23rd Aug 2010


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> http://openoffice.org will solve all those problems for you.
>

...and create a whole lot more.


 
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Greg Russell
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      23rd Aug 2010
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>> http://openoffice.org will solve all those problems for you.
>>

> ..and create a whole lot more.


Bullshit.




 
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VanguardLH
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      24th Aug 2010
Greg Russell wrote:

> In news:i4ue03$rq7$(E-Mail Removed),
> Craven Moorehead <(E-Mail Removed)> typed:
>
>>> http://openoffice.org will solve all those problems for you.
>>>

>> ..and create a whole lot more.

>
> Bullshit.


Guess you don't consider a steep learning curve to be a "problem" for
new users of that software. I've used it (and probably will use it
again) but it does NOT do everything the same way as Word. I ended up
having to research to find workarounds for deficiencies in their Writer
component. If you use macros, you'll have to rewrite them to work in OO
Write. You thought the OO suite was without any bugs?

So your solution is to leave behind a working product where a fix is
possible to having the user install a completely different product and
start learning all over again only to find bugs, problems, and
deficiencies later. There is only one condition under which someone
makes a personal choice to go with OpenOffice: that they do not already
have MS Office and want a free solution. If they already have MS
Office, you really think they are going to dump it to go use something
new and different and unknown to them? You also buy a new car when it
knocks instead of replacing the knock sensor or having a shop analyze
and fix it? Well, might be a choice for you but car shops exist because
customers have decided to keep what they got and fix it.
 
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