Why does my Win98SE Device Manager still show entries for VIA HD
controllers even though I don't have any VIA HD controllers in my
system?

I removed the VIA drivers and even tried removingthe extra entries
while in Safe Mode, but after I reboot I always get something like
this in the Device Manager:

Hard disk controllers
|
|--SiS or Intel HD controller
|--Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
|--Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)

The second two are definitely VIA because Windows keeps asking me for
VIADSK.CAT. I have no other HD controllers in the system.

Even using a VIA-based mobo while removing the drivers and hardware
and then shutting down before switching to the SiS or Intel mobo
doesn't help.

I'm not having HD problems with any of this, but in other cases I've
had old sound or video card drivers that wouldn't go away, and they'd
cause new cards to work wrong or give me a blue screen at Windows
boot.

So what I want to know is, how do I completely remove unneeded
drivers?

"larrymoencurly" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Why does my Win98SE Device Manager still show entries for VIA HD
> controllers even though I don't have any VIA HD controllers in my
> system?
>
> I removed the VIA drivers and even tried removingthe extra entries
> while in Safe Mode, but after I reboot I always get something like
> this in the Device Manager:
>
> Hard disk controllers
> |
> |--SiS or Intel HD controller
> |--Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
> |--Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
>
> The second two are definitely VIA because Windows keeps asking me for
> VIADSK.CAT. I have no other HD controllers in the system.
>
> Even using a VIA-based mobo while removing the drivers and hardware
> and then shutting down before switching to the SiS or Intel mobo
> doesn't help.
>
> I'm not having HD problems with any of this, but in other cases I've
> had old sound or video card drivers that wouldn't go away, and they'd
> cause new cards to work wrong or give me a blue screen at Windows
> boot.
>
> So what I want to know is, how do I completely remove unneeded
> drivers?

Do a ascii search on your harddrive for these strings.
Edit the files that have them or throw away if totally for V/A.

Because VIA can't design hardware or software? I'll never buy another product.

You have to search for VIA's INF in winnt\inf and delete them.

"larrymoencurly" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
| Why does my Win98SE Device Manager still show entries for VIA HD
| controllers even though I don't have any VIA HD controllers in my
| system?
|
| I removed the VIA drivers and even tried removingthe extra entries
| while in Safe Mode, but after I reboot I always get something like
| this in the Device Manager:
|
| Hard disk controllers
| |
| |--SiS or Intel HD controller
| |--Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
| |--Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
|
| The second two are definitely VIA because Windows keeps asking me for
| VIADSK.CAT. I have no other HD controllers in the system.
|
| Even using a VIA-based mobo while removing the drivers and hardware
| and then shutting down before switching to the SiS or Intel mobo
| doesn't help.
|

Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
>-Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)

these are standard MS controllers

If you were to see a VIA busmaster or VIA ######## chipset then you would be having problems.

Do you have a folder 'VIA' anywhere on your system. Did you by mistake do a via 4 in 1 install on your machine?









"larrymoencurly" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Why does my Win98SE Device Manager still show entries for VIA HD
> controllers even though I don't have any VIA HD controllers in my
> system?
>
> I removed the VIA drivers and even tried removingthe extra entries
> while in Safe Mode, but after I reboot I always get something like
> this in the Device Manager:
>
> Hard disk controllers
> |
> |--SiS or Intel HD controller
> |-->
> The second two are definitely VIA because Windows keeps asking me for
> . I have no other HD controllers in the system.
>
> Even using a VIA-based mobo while removing the drivers and hardware
> and then shutting down before switching to the SiS or Intel mobo
> doesn't help.
>
> I'm not having HD problems with any of this, but in other cases I've
> had old sound or video card drivers that wouldn't go away, and they'd
> cause new cards to work wrong or give me a blue screen at Windows
> boot.
>
> So what I want to know is, how do I completely remove unneeded
> drivers?

"Eric Gisin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<(E-Mail Removed)>...

> Because VIA can't design hardware or software? I'll never buy
> another product.

> You have to search for VIA's INF in winnt\inf and delete them.

Thanks for tip.

All my mobos have been based on VIA, SiS, or Intel chipsets, and the
VIAs gave me the most installation headaches, by far. The only
problems I've had with my most recent SiS mobo have been with an old
Intel i740 AGP card and the VIA USB 2.0 chip -- my USB flash memory
reader jams up with it but not with the SiS USB ports that the mobo
also has.

> "larrymoencurly" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>
>| Why does my Win98SE Device Manager still show entries for VIA
>| HD controllers even though I don't have any VIA HD controllers
>| in my system?
>|
>| I removed the VIA drivers and even tried removingthe extra
>| entries while in Safe Mode, but after I reboot I always get
>| something like this in the Device Manager:
>|
>| Hard disk controllers
>| |
>| |--SiS or Intel HD controller
>| |--Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
>| |--Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
>|
>| The second two are definitely VIA because Windows keeps asking
>| me for VIADSK.CAT. I have no other HD controllers in the
>| system.
>|
>| Even using a VIA-based mobo while removing the drivers and
>| hardware and then shutting down before switching to the SiS or
>| Intel mobo doesn't help.


"Eric Gisin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> Because VIA can't design hardware or software? I'll never buy
> another product.
>
> You have to search for VIA's INF in winnt\inf and delete them.
>


I have had a lot of trouble with Via too. Microsoft has its own
upgrade for my Via mobo drivers every time I check for
Windows patches. And to me that is even more worrying because I
don't much trust Microsoft to get it right either!

"Mark M" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:93F2BC940AFA23A75@130.133.1.4...
> > "larrymoencurly" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >
> >| Why does my Win98SE Device Manager still show entries for VIA
> >| HD controllers even though I don't have any VIA HD controllers
> >| in my system?
> >|
> >| I removed the VIA drivers and even tried removingthe extra
> >| entries while in Safe Mode, but after I reboot I always get
> >| something like this in the Device Manager:
> >|
> >| Hard disk controllers
> >| |
> >| |--SiS or Intel HD controller
> >| |--Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
> >| |--Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
> >|
> >| The second two are definitely VIA because Windows keeps asking
> >| me for VIADSK.CAT. I have no other HD controllers in the
> >| system.
> >|
> >| Even using a VIA-based mobo while removing the drivers and
> >| hardware and then shutting down before switching to the SiS or
> >| Intel mobo doesn't help.
>
>
> "Eric Gisin" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> >
> > Because VIA can't design hardware or software? I'll never buy
> > another product.
> >
> > You have to search for VIA's INF in winnt\inf and delete them.
> >
>
>
> I have had a lot of trouble with Via too. Microsoft has its own
> upgrade for my Via mobo drivers every time I check for
> Windows patches. And to me that is even more worrying because I
> don't much trust Microsoft to get it right either!

There's only so much anyone can do if
there's a basic design flaw in the first place.

"Rod Speed" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<bjnpjh$l6kt7$(E-Mail Removed)>...

> There's only so much anyone can do if
> there's a basic design flaw in the first place.

VIA is one strange chip company, about the only one that's secretive
about its products and won't provide complete specs unless you sign a
nondisclosure agreement first. With almost everybody else the specs
and applications notes are available to everybody.

do_not_spam_me <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Rod Speed <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote

>> There's only so much anyone can do if
>> there's a basic design flaw in the first place.
>
> VIA is one strange chip company, about the only one that's secretive
> about its products and won't provide complete specs unless you sign a
> nondisclosure agreement first. With almost everybody else the specs
> and applications notes are available to everybody.

Yeah, and they've produced some complete duds at times too.

If I was unkind I'd say that the NDA is probably desirable from
their point of view, to keep the worst obscenitys secret |-)