What is DEP, my Windows explorer crashes and a little applet tells me
that DEP is protecting my computer

"George Justice" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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| What is DEP, my Windows explorer crashes and a little applet tells me
| that DEP is protecting my computer


Hi George -

DEP is "Data Execution Protection" -- or a memory protection technology.

Have a look at the following Microsoft Technet article:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../sp2mempr.mspx

Jef

1. Open XP's "Help and Support Center".
2. In the Search box type: DEP , and hit enter.
3. Several topics will appear to help assist you.

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Microsoft MVP
Windows XP - Shell/User
Microsoft Newsgroups

Get Windows XP Service Pack 2 with Advanced Security Technologies:
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"George Justice" wrote:

| What is DEP, my Windows explorer crashes and a little applet tells me
| that DEP is protecting my computer

JefN wrote:

>"George Justice" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>| What is DEP, my Windows explorer crashes and a little applet tells me
>| that DEP is protecting my computer
>
>
>Hi George -
>
>DEP is "Data Execution Protection" -- or a memory protection technology.
>
>Have a look at the following Microsoft Technet article:
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro.../sp2mempr.mspx
>
>Jef
>
>
>
>
I already checked this article, to be honest it is too technical for the
layman. I know a little bit but the whole explanation
is too technical.The trouble came up in a friend's computer when I
plugged in a smart media card, Windows Explorere crashed
I never had this problem with my computer. BTW my friend deleted the
whole file where we stored the files from the smart media card, no more
problems with Windows explorer. Thanks

You've been pointed to good sources already. I'll just try to boil it down
to the essentials:

The problem with reading Microsoft documents is that they sometimes include
words and phrases that have no meaning outside the marketing department in
Redmond. Ever try to understand .Net by reading Microsoft's explanation?

In a nutshell, Data Execution Prevention is protection against buffer
overruns. You can think of buffers as holding areas for different types of
data. If you try to stuff more data into a buffer than it was designed to
hold, the data overflows the buffer, just like a glass will overflow if you
pour too much water into it.

Now what might happen if a buffer intended for letters and numbers
overflowed into a buffer meant for executable commands? If you know how to
do it right, you might be able to trick a computer into doing something
naughty and devious. Data Execution Prevention is designed to prevent that
(or to try to.)

You may ask: Instead of DEP, why doesn't somebody just make it so that
buffers don't overflow in the first place? Don't be a troublemaker; you
can't imagine how much fighting goes on over such a question.

Until buffers stop overflowing, DEP is with us. The thing is, not all
software will work properly with DEP in place so Microsoft gave us the
ability to turn it off for non-MS applications.

Modem Ani

"George Justice" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> What is DEP, my Windows explorer crashes and a little applet tells me
> that DEP is protecting my computer

Modem Ani wrote:

>You've been pointed to good sources already. I'll just try to boil it down
>to the essentials:
>
>The problem with reading Microsoft documents is that they sometimes include
>words and phrases that have no meaning outside the marketing department in
>Redmond. Ever try to understand .Net by reading Microsoft's explanation?
>
>In a nutshell, Data Execution Prevention is protection against buffer
>overruns. You can think of buffers as holding areas for different types of
>data. If you try to stuff more data into a buffer than it was designed to
>hold, the data overflows the buffer, just like a glass will overflow if you
>pour too much water into it.
>
>Now what might happen if a buffer intended for letters and numbers
>overflowed into a buffer meant for executable commands? If you know how to
>do it right, you might be able to trick a computer into doing something
>naughty and devious. Data Execution Prevention is designed to prevent that
>(or to try to.)
>
>You may ask: Instead of DEP, why doesn't somebody just make it so that
>buffers don't overflow in the first place? Don't be a troublemaker; you
>can't imagine how much fighting goes on over such a question.
>
>Until buffers stop overflowing, DEP is with us. The thing is, not all
>software will work properly with DEP in place so Microsoft gave us the
>ability to turn it off for non-MS applications.
>
>Modem Ani
>
>"George Justice" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>
>>What is DEP, my Windows explorer crashes and a little applet tells me
>>that DEP is protecting my computer
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Thanks for your explanation, before they post technical articles meant
for the general public, they should test
the language with the average consumer first. I always wonder why is it
that people in the computer sciences
have a hard time communicating with the average consumer? Now back to my
original question, my friend's
computer is a brand new Dell, with a whole bunch of programs running in
the background, so probably when I plugged
in the smart media card it caused the problem. Thanks for taking the
time to expalin the article to me.

Buffer overflow is a software programming problem. You won't know which
program is causing the problem unless you disable or uninstall them, one by
one, until you hit upon the offending program. Then you have to go to that
program's creator and ask them to help you.

DEP is a highly technical concept. In order to really understand it, you
have to delve into the technicalia of memory buffers and software
programming. That's why the descriptions of it are so complex. I have only a
basic knowledge of these things, but computers are a hobby for me so I have
an interest in exploring areas that are largely over my head. It took me
days to figure out what I wrote.

Modem Ani

"George Justice" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Modem Ani wrote:
>
> >You've been pointed to good sources already. I'll just try to boil it
down
> >to the essentials:
> >
> >The problem with reading Microsoft documents is that they sometimes
include
> >words and phrases that have no meaning outside the marketing department
in
> >Redmond. Ever try to understand .Net by reading Microsoft's explanation?
> >
> >In a nutshell, Data Execution Prevention is protection against buffer
> >overruns. You can think of buffers as holding areas for different types
of
> >data. If you try to stuff more data into a buffer than it was designed to
> >hold, the data overflows the buffer, just like a glass will overflow if
you
> >pour too much water into it.
> >
> >Now what might happen if a buffer intended for letters and numbers
> >overflowed into a buffer meant for executable commands? If you know how
to
> >do it right, you might be able to trick a computer into doing something
> >naughty and devious. Data Execution Prevention is designed to prevent
that
> >(or to try to.)
> >
> >You may ask: Instead of DEP, why doesn't somebody just make it so that
> >buffers don't overflow in the first place? Don't be a troublemaker; you
> >can't imagine how much fighting goes on over such a question.
> >
> >Until buffers stop overflowing, DEP is with us. The thing is, not all
> >software will work properly with DEP in place so Microsoft gave us the
> >ability to turn it off for non-MS applications.
> >
> >Modem Ani
> >
> >"George Justice" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> >
> >
> >>What is DEP, my Windows explorer crashes and a little applet tells me
> >>that DEP is protecting my computer
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Thanks for your explanation, before they post technical articles meant
> for the general public, they should test
> the language with the average consumer first. I always wonder why is it
> that people in the computer sciences
> have a hard time communicating with the average consumer? Now back to my
> original question, my friend's
> computer is a brand new Dell, with a whole bunch of programs running in
> the background, so probably when I plugged
> in the smart media card it caused the problem. Thanks for taking the
> time to expalin the article to me.
>

George Justice Wrote:
> What is DEP, my Windows explorer crashes and a little applet tells me
> that DEP is protecting my computer

I heard that this works:
Step 1 Disable DEP completely if using windows XP SP2

To do this, open My Computer, C:
Tools Folder Options View Tick Show Hidden Files and folders, and
untick "Hide Extensions for known file types" and "Hide protected
operating system files"

Now on c: you should see boot.ini

Open it up in notepad. The last line should end in /fastdetect
/noexecute=optin

Change it so it now ends /fastdetect /execute

File Save Exit.
Treeman


--
Treeman

Modem Ani wrote:

>Buffer overflow is a software programming problem. You won't know which
>program is causing the problem unless you disable or uninstall them, one by
>one, until you hit upon the offending program. Then you have to go to that
>program's creator and ask them to help you.
>
>DEP is a highly technical concept. In order to really understand it, you
>have to delve into the technicalia of memory buffers and software
>programming. That's why the descriptions of it are so complex. I have only a
>basic knowledge of these things, but computers are a hobby for me so I have
>an interest in exploring areas that are largely over my head. It took me
>days to figure out what I wrote.
>
>Modem Ani
>
>"George Justice" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>
>>Modem Ani wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>You've been pointed to good sources already. I'll just try to boil it
>>>
>>>
>down
>
>
>>>to the essentials:
>>>
>>>The problem with reading Microsoft documents is that they sometimes
>>>
>>>
>include
>
>
>>>words and phrases that have no meaning outside the marketing department
>>>
>>>
>in
>
>
>>>Redmond. Ever try to understand .Net by reading Microsoft's explanation?
>>>
>>>In a nutshell, Data Execution Prevention is protection against buffer
>>>overruns. You can think of buffers as holding areas for different types
>>>
>>>
>of
>
>
>>>data. If you try to stuff more data into a buffer than it was designed to
>>>hold, the data overflows the buffer, just like a glass will overflow if
>>>
>>>
>you
>
>
>>>pour too much water into it.
>>>
>>>Now what might happen if a buffer intended for letters and numbers
>>>overflowed into a buffer meant for executable commands? If you know how
>>>
>>>
>to
>
>
>>>do it right, you might be able to trick a computer into doing something
>>>naughty and devious. Data Execution Prevention is designed to prevent
>>>
>>>
>that
>
>
>>>(or to try to.)
>>>
>>>You may ask: Instead of DEP, why doesn't somebody just make it so that
>>>buffers don't overflow in the first place? Don't be a troublemaker; you
>>>can't imagine how much fighting goes on over such a question.
>>>
>>>Until buffers stop overflowing, DEP is with us. The thing is, not all
>>>software will work properly with DEP in place so Microsoft gave us the
>>>ability to turn it off for non-MS applications.
>>>
>>>Modem Ani
>>>
>>>"George Justice" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>What is DEP, my Windows explorer crashes and a little applet tells me
>>>>that DEP is protecting my computer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Thanks for your explanation, before they post technical articles meant
>>for the general public, they should test
>>the language with the average consumer first. I always wonder why is it
>>that people in the computer sciences
>>have a hard time communicating with the average consumer? Now back to my
>>original question, my friend's
>>computer is a brand new Dell, with a whole bunch of programs running in
>>the background, so probably when I plugged
>>in the smart media card it caused the problem. Thanks for taking the
>>time to expalin the article to me.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
My friend called Dell Support and they told him it was a virus, their
solution reinstall the OS. So my friend
deleted the dir.that I created when I downloaded the pictures. End of
story. I'm really disapointed that none of the Microsoft
engineers answered my post.

Treeman wrote:

>George Justice Wrote:
>
>
>>What is DEP, my Windows explorer crashes and a little applet tells me
>>that DEP is protecting my computer
>>
>>
>
>I heard that this works:
>Step 1 Disable DEP completely if using windows XP SP2
>
>To do this, open My Computer, C:
>Tools Folder Options View Tick Show Hidden Files and folders, and
>untick "Hide Extensions for known file types" and "Hide protected
>operating system files"
>
>Now on c: you should see boot.ini
>
>Open it up in notepad. The last line should end in /fastdetect
>/noexecute=optin
>
>Change it so it now ends /fastdetect /execute
>
>File Save Exit.
>Treeman
>
>
>
>
Next time I see my friend I'm going to try it.Thanks