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Swampy
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      1st Feb 2008
My cooling case fan died, but my Dell doesn't like the one I replaced it
with. The measurements are okay and the spec are in the ball park. I
couldn't find one locally that matched the one that died. Actually, I did
take the old one with me. Dell pcs sure are picky!

Questions are:
Who makes the Dell cooling fans?
Does anyone have any ideas on this issue? I didn't find any fan info on the
Dell support site. I'll probably have to order an appropriate fan online.

Thanks, anyone!


 
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Paul
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      1st Feb 2008
Swampy wrote:
> My cooling case fan died, but my Dell doesn't like the one I replaced it
> with. The measurements are okay and the spec are in the ball park. I
> couldn't find one locally that matched the one that died. Actually, I did
> take the old one with me. Dell pcs sure are picky!
>
> Questions are:
> Who makes the Dell cooling fans?
> Does anyone have any ideas on this issue? I didn't find any fan info on the
> Dell support site. I'll probably have to order an appropriate fan online.
>
> Thanks, anyone!
>


The existing CPU fan, probably has an RPM signal on it. Many cheap case
fans (at least the ones I can get around here), have only two wires, and
are missing the RPM signal. If used in a CPU cooling application, a fan
with a missing RPM signal, will be detected by the computer BIOS. The
BIOS may shut the computer off, if it thinks the fan is stuck (no RPM
pulses).

http://support.dell.com/support/edoc...ce.htm#1101572

CPU fan connectors come in two types. The old style had three pins
(+12V, GND, RPM). The new style have four pins (the extra pin is PWM,
so the computer can send a signal to the fan, to tell it how fast
it is supposed to run). Whether a three pin or a four pin connector
is used, the BIOS will still be monitoring the RPM signal.

You can plug a three pin fan, onto a four pin header. The PWM signal
will not be connected, if you do that. It means the motherboard cannot
turn down the fan if it wants to. A fast running fan keeps things cool,
so that is not a problem. Only the noise from the fan, may be a problem
for the user.

Chances are, at retail, you'll be able to find a three wire fan. So it
won't have PWM. You'll still have to check, to see if the fan has two
wires or three wires, and one with two wires (no RPM) would be a bad choice.
I know around here, if I wanted such a fan, I'd probably have to order it
from the Internet, to get something decent.

When it comes to computer case fans, some product lines come in four
operating speeds. L,M,H,U. (Low, medium, high, ultra, or something to
that effect.) Low or medium would be not too noisy, and pretty pleasant
to deal with. High or Ultra, would move plenty of air, and are useful
for cooling large thermal loads. You have to guess at what you
think the current fan type is, to get a rough match for its performance.
If you use too slow a fan, the CPU may get warmer than it is supposed
to, and it will throttle back in response to the overheating.

So you have a few criterion for shopping:

1) At least three wires, so there is an RPM signal for the CPU fan connector.
2) Standard size, measured to match the current fan. For example, 80x80x25
or 92x92x25 (mm).
3) A match for performance level, somewhere between silent (L) and
cyclone (U).
4) PC fans run on 12VDC for case cooling or CPU cooling. You may see
some other voltages, like 24VDC listed, but you don't want that.
5) Fans come in sleeve bearing and ball bearing. Sleeve bearing
can be the cheapest kind, and some can wear out (become noisy)
in a matter of a few days.

Shopping for fans is actually pretty annoying. For every two I buy,
I end up using only one of them. And that is because you don't get
to test them, to find out what they'll be like. I've even had some
that had an offensive smell, and they had to stay in the box they
came in.

HTH,
Paul
 
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      1st Feb 2008
Paul, thank you so much for you response, your time, and a very in-depth,
and clear explanation.

I believe you gave me all I need to know in replacing my case fan. I don't
often get this kind of easy-to-understand response to my questions. I do
have a 3 pin.

Best regards,
Bill (from Tampa, Florida)


 
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      1st Feb 2008
Even some standard 3 pin fans will not work with some Dell's, they require a
specific fan which would need to be purchased from a Dell parts supplier.

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> Paul, thank you so much for you response, your time, and a very in-depth,
> and clear explanation.
>
> I believe you gave me all I need to know in replacing my case fan. I don't
> often get this kind of easy-to-understand response to my questions. I do
> have a 3 pin.
>
> Best regards,
> Bill (from Tampa, Florida)
>
>


 
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Swampy
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      2nd Feb 2008
Actually, I found the exact fan made by JMC/Datech, the company that
manufactures fans for Dell (same model number with the temp chip).

The link is: http://www.censuspc.com/product-pr-7000.html

The price was 16.95 + shipping ($6.) & 2 - 3 day mail shipping.

Thanks to all for your input.

Bill




 
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Paul
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      2nd Feb 2008
Swampy wrote:
> Actually, I found the exact fan made by JMC/Datech, the company that
> manufactures fans for Dell (same model number with the temp chip).
>
> The link is: http://www.censuspc.com/product-pr-7000.html
>
> The price was 16.95 + shipping ($6.) & 2 - 3 day mail shipping.
>
> Thanks to all for your input.
>
> Bill
>


Are you sure it is the same one ?

That is a monster fan. 1.7 amps is a lot of current for
a fan. The biggest fan I've got draws 1 amp, and I run
that from a Molex disk drive as a source of power.

53 dBA is also pretty loud.

Paul
 
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      2nd Feb 2008
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:29:36 -0500, "Swampy" <(E-Mail Removed)>
wrote:

>My cooling case fan died, but my Dell doesn't like the one I replaced it
>with. The measurements are okay and the spec are in the ball park. I
>couldn't find one locally that matched the one that died. Actually, I did
>take the old one with me. Dell pcs sure are picky!
>
>Questions are:
>Who makes the Dell cooling fans?
>Does anyone have any ideas on this issue? I didn't find any fan info on the
>Dell support site. I'll probably have to order an appropriate fan online.
>
>Thanks, anyone!
>

Why ask HERE? This is pure hardware question that has absolutely
NOTHING to do with the OS.

Ask elsewhere

 
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Swampy
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      2nd Feb 2008
Sorry, Paul! Wrong link. I can't find the right link at the moment. But the
specs were exactly the same as the original Dell case fan ( FYI 0.85A).


 
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Swampy
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      6th Feb 2008
Okay! I stand corrected.


 
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