I need to regain access to either of two SATA drives from a Raid 1

array which I deleted. I know nothing about SATA, and have run up

against a wall on researching this.

I have an MSI KT6v board with two onboard SATA connections. My OS is

WinXP Pro. I have two identical 120 GB SATA drives. I originally set

this machine up with Raid 1 because mirroring seemed like a good idea.

It Worked fine for awhile, then started to be unstable. Eventually I

could not access the system, (Problems were that disks weren't

identical, so the system would duplicate, then I would get the fatal

blue screen and some windows registry error. For a while I could repair

windows and fix but eventually I could not boot at all.)


So I bought and installed an IDE drive, installed WinXP and other

programs. I had to delete the Raid Array to do this, but thought I

would be able to access at least one of the SATA drives as just a

storage drive as noted in the MSI documentation. (I have family

photos and music I don't want to lose)

In Windows device manager, neither of the SATA drives shows up, and the

Raid controller shows a big yellow question mark/ exclamation point. I

have tried to reinstall drivers, but the only drivers seem to want to

set up another RAid Array which I think will wipe out both of these

drives.

I restart and can access bios - which has SATA controller enabled under

Integrated peripherals, but under boot seqence there is no SATA drive.


Can anyone help?

if you deleted the array...you lost everything that was on it..now you have
2 blank drives. As for using them as storage I would try unplugging one of
them and see if Windows finds the other one.

In article <sYShf.7748$(E-Mail Removed)>, "dino"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> if you deleted the array...you lost everything that was on it..now you have
> 2 blank drives. As for using them as storage I would try unplugging one of
> them and see if Windows finds the other one.

It was my understanding, that "delete array" only erases the
reserved sector on each disk, that tells the BIOS you have
arrayed data in place. I have read of people doing a "delete array"
followed by a "make array without initialization" and all the data
will still be there.

However, with any data recovery problem, you have to be
extra cautious and methodical. The first thing you want
to do, is make a sector by sector copy of at least one of
the "missing" disks. If you want to do an experiment, do the
experiment on a copy of the drive. If you want to experiment
with making the array again, hell, copy both drives. At least
think ahead far enough for that.

By buying a couple of spare drives, you might even end up
having a backup strategy :-)

When using _any_ recovery method, if the data is valuable
to you, do a sector-by-sector copy first if you can.

This is how I would proceed.

1) Buy two disks identical to the old two disks.
2) Using the software that comes with the new disks,
copy sector-by-sector "old 0" to "new 0"
3) Unplug those two, then copy "old 1" to "new 1"
4) Now plug "new 0" and "new 1"
Enter the RAID BIOS:

"Create Array"
then something like "RAID 1"
and "Create Only"

Your user manual has a statement in it:

"Deleting a disk array will destroy all the data on the
disk array except RAID 1 arrays."

which means all the data is there, you just need to recreate
the reserved sector that tells the BIOS you have a RAID 1
array. The key is "Create Only", which at least at the BIOS
level, prevents rebuilding the array (which wouldn't
hurt anything anyway, as the two disks are supposed to be
identical.

After the "Create Only" operation, you could also consider
disconnecting one of the disks. When the system next POSTs,
it will declare the array "critical", but one of the options
should be to boot anyway. Then, if you wanted, you could
copy the data from that single disk, to some other disk.
Since you said, you think the two disks are not exactly
identical, if a file-by-file copy from one disk is not
looking good, unplug the single member of the array and
plug in the other single member, and try the file-by-file
copy from it.

With your two brand new drives, you can also practice the
"Create Only" sequence before doing the above procedure,
to see whether the BIOS or the operating system attempt
to build the array after it is done. With the two new disks,
you could even try "Create", format in the OS, put a couple
files on there, "Delete Array", then the "Create Only"
sequence you plan to use on the real two disks, and see if
the "Create Only" operation leaves the data intact. When
your test sequence is complete, you can always "Delete Array"
on the new disks, and then do the sector by sector copy
from the old disks.

A pair of new disks, matched in size to the old disks,
will give you a world of possibilities.

(User manual, starting at Page 50)
http://66.96.84.4/support/mnu_exe/mbd_mnu/E7021v1.1.zip

Good luck,
Paul

It sounds like you, errantly, used non-identical disks and have ended up
with a corrupted set of your OS and data. I believe you have probably lost
your data at this point and may just have to reformat and do a clean install
of the OS and install your back-up copy of your data (photos and music). You
DO have a back up copy, right, on CD's or DVD's? If not, now you know why
you should.

--
DaveW

----------------
"phorner" <u16111@uwe> wrote in message news:57ebf5018cffe@uwe...
>I need to regain access to either of two SATA drives from a Raid 1
>
> array which I deleted. I know nothing about SATA, and have run up
>
> against a wall on researching this.
>
> I have an MSI KT6v board with two onboard SATA connections. My OS is
>
> WinXP Pro. I have two identical 120 GB SATA drives. I originally set
>
> this machine up with Raid 1 because mirroring seemed like a good idea.
>
> It Worked fine for awhile, then started to be unstable. Eventually I
>
> could not access the system, (Problems were that disks weren't
>
> identical, so the system would duplicate, then I would get the fatal
>
> blue screen and some windows registry error. For a while I could repair
>
> windows and fix but eventually I could not boot at all.)
>
>
> So I bought and installed an IDE drive, installed WinXP and other
>
> programs. I had to delete the Raid Array to do this, but thought I
>
> would be able to access at least one of the SATA drives as just a
>
> storage drive as noted in the MSI documentation. (I have family
>
> photos and music I don't want to lose)
>
> In Windows device manager, neither of the SATA drives shows up, and the
>
> Raid controller shows a big yellow question mark/ exclamation point. I
>
> have tried to reinstall drivers, but the only drivers seem to want to
>
> set up another RAid Array which I think will wipe out both of these
>
> drives.
>
> I restart and can access bios - which has SATA controller enabled under
>
> Integrated peripherals, but under boot seqence there is no SATA drive.
>
>
> Can anyone help?

Thanks for your response, but the data was stiil there. If interested, see
my response to Paul.

dino wrote:
>if you deleted the array...you lost everything that was on it..now you have
>2 blank drives. As for using them as storage I would try unplugging one of
>them and see if Windows finds the other one.

--
Priscilla

Message posted via HWKB.com
http://www.hwkb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/...-asus/200511/1

Thanks for your response, but the data was stiil there. If interested, see
my response to Paul.

DaveW wrote:
>It sounds like you, errantly, used non-identical disks and have ended up
>with a corrupted set of your OS and data. I believe you have probably lost
>your data at this point and may just have to reformat and do a clean install
>of the OS and install your back-up copy of your data (photos and music). You
>DO have a back up copy, right, on CD's or DVD's? If not, now you know why
>you should.
>
>>I need to regain access to either of two SATA drives from a Raid 1
>>
>[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
>>
>> Can anyone help?

--
Priscilla

Message posted via http://www.hwkb.com

Thank for your suggestions. I wasn't able to "find" those drives, but
eventually went onto MSI tech asst site and downloaded their live update
program. Then downloaded and installed all drivers, I downloaded, but
chickened out on installing an upgraded BIOs. I turned the machine off (not
restart) and checked Win Explorer and found intact, apparently identical
data on my two sata drives.

Thanks again for your help!

Priscilla


Paul wrote:
>> if you deleted the array...you lost everything that was on it..now you have
>> 2 blank drives. As for using them as storage I would try unplugging one of
>> them and see if Windows finds the other one.
>
>It was my understanding, that "delete array" only erases the
>reserved sector on each disk, that tells the BIOS you have
>arrayed data in place. I have read of people doing a "delete array"
>followed by a "make array without initialization" and all the data
>will still be there.
>
>However, with any data recovery problem, you have to be
>extra cautious and methodical. The first thing you want
>to do, is make a sector by sector copy of at least one of
>the "missing" disks. If you want to do an experiment, do the
>experiment on a copy of the drive. If you want to experiment
>with making the array again, hell, copy both drives. At least
>think ahead far enough for that.
>
>By buying a couple of spare drives, you might even end up
>having a backup strategy :-)
>
>When using _any_ recovery method, if the data is valuable
>to you, do a sector-by-sector copy first if you can.
>
>This is how I would proceed.
>
>1) Buy two disks identical to the old two disks.
>2) Using the software that comes with the new disks,
> copy sector-by-sector "old 0" to "new 0"
>3) Unplug those two, then copy "old 1" to "new 1"
>4) Now plug "new 0" and "new 1"
> Enter the RAID BIOS:
>
> "Create Array"
> then something like "RAID 1"
> and "Create Only"
>
>Your user manual has a statement in it:
>
> "Deleting a disk array will destroy all the data on the
> disk array except RAID 1 arrays."
>
>which means all the data is there, you just need to recreate
>the reserved sector that tells the BIOS you have a RAID 1
>array. The key is "Create Only", which at least at the BIOS
>level, prevents rebuilding the array (which wouldn't
>hurt anything anyway, as the two disks are supposed to be
>identical.
>
>After the "Create Only" operation, you could also consider
>disconnecting one of the disks. When the system next POSTs,
>it will declare the array "critical", but one of the options
>should be to boot anyway. Then, if you wanted, you could
>copy the data from that single disk, to some other disk.
>Since you said, you think the two disks are not exactly
>identical, if a file-by-file copy from one disk is not
>looking good, unplug the single member of the array and
>plug in the other single member, and try the file-by-file
>copy from it.
>
>With your two brand new drives, you can also practice the
>"Create Only" sequence before doing the above procedure,
>to see whether the BIOS or the operating system attempt
>to build the array after it is done. With the two new disks,
>you could even try "Create", format in the OS, put a couple
>files on there, "Delete Array", then the "Create Only"
>sequence you plan to use on the real two disks, and see if
>the "Create Only" operation leaves the data intact. When
>your test sequence is complete, you can always "Delete Array"
>on the new disks, and then do the sector by sector copy
>from the old disks.
>
>A pair of new disks, matched in size to the old disks,
>will give you a world of possibilities.
>
>(User manual, starting at Page 50)
>http://66.96.84.4/support/mnu_exe/mbd_mnu/E7021v1.1.zip
>
>Good luck,
> Paul

--
Priscilla

Message posted via http://www.hwkb.com

With RAID 1, the drives are usable as normal non RAID discs out side of RAID
as the RAID info is written to a reserved sector and the drives are
otherwise identical. If you use a disc in such a manner outside of RAID you
will have no choice but to resynch the array afterwards (if they are written
to / booted from).



"phorner via HWKB.com" <u16111@uwe> wrote in message
news:57f85244ca40e@uwe...
> Thank for your suggestions. I wasn't able to "find" those drives, but
> eventually went onto MSI tech asst site and downloaded their live update
> program. Then downloaded and installed all drivers, I downloaded, but
> chickened out on installing an upgraded BIOs. I turned the machine off
> (not
> restart) and checked Win Explorer and found intact, apparently identical
> data on my two sata drives.
>
> Thanks again for your help!
>
> Priscilla
>
>
> Paul wrote:
>>> if you deleted the array...you lost everything that was on it..now you
>>> have
>>> 2 blank drives. As for using them as storage I would try unplugging one
>>> of
>>> them and see if Windows finds the other one.
>>
>>It was my understanding, that "delete array" only erases the
>>reserved sector on each disk, that tells the BIOS you have
>>arrayed data in place. I have read of people doing a "delete array"
>>followed by a "make array without initialization" and all the data
>>will still be there.
>>
>>However, with any data recovery problem, you have to be
>>extra cautious and methodical. The first thing you want
>>to do, is make a sector by sector copy of at least one of
>>the "missing" disks. If you want to do an experiment, do the
>>experiment on a copy of the drive. If you want to experiment
>>with making the array again, hell, copy both drives. At least
>>think ahead far enough for that.
>>
>>By buying a couple of spare drives, you might even end up
>>having a backup strategy :-)
>>
>>When using _any_ recovery method, if the data is valuable
>>to you, do a sector-by-sector copy first if you can.
>>
>>This is how I would proceed.
>>
>>1) Buy two disks identical to the old two disks.
>>2) Using the software that comes with the new disks,
>> copy sector-by-sector "old 0" to "new 0"
>>3) Unplug those two, then copy "old 1" to "new 1"
>>4) Now plug "new 0" and "new 1"
>> Enter the RAID BIOS:
>>
>> "Create Array"
>> then something like "RAID 1"
>> and "Create Only"
>>
>>Your user manual has a statement in it:
>>
>> "Deleting a disk array will destroy all the data on the
>> disk array except RAID 1 arrays."
>>
>>which means all the data is there, you just need to recreate
>>the reserved sector that tells the BIOS you have a RAID 1
>>array. The key is "Create Only", which at least at the BIOS
>>level, prevents rebuilding the array (which wouldn't
>>hurt anything anyway, as the two disks are supposed to be
>>identical.
>>
>>After the "Create Only" operation, you could also consider
>>disconnecting one of the disks. When the system next POSTs,
>>it will declare the array "critical", but one of the options
>>should be to boot anyway. Then, if you wanted, you could
>>copy the data from that single disk, to some other disk.
>>Since you said, you think the two disks are not exactly
>>identical, if a file-by-file copy from one disk is not
>>looking good, unplug the single member of the array and
>>plug in the other single member, and try the file-by-file
>>copy from it.
>>
>>With your two brand new drives, you can also practice the
>>"Create Only" sequence before doing the above procedure,
>>to see whether the BIOS or the operating system attempt
>>to build the array after it is done. With the two new disks,
>>you could even try "Create", format in the OS, put a couple
>>files on there, "Delete Array", then the "Create Only"
>>sequence you plan to use on the real two disks, and see if
>>the "Create Only" operation leaves the data intact. When
>>your test sequence is complete, you can always "Delete Array"
>>on the new disks, and then do the sector by sector copy
>>from the old disks.
>>
>>A pair of new disks, matched in size to the old disks,
>>will give you a world of possibilities.
>>
>>(User manual, starting at Page 50)
>>http://66.96.84.4/support/mnu_exe/mbd_mnu/E7021v1.1.zip
>>
>>Good luck,
>> Paul
>
> --
> Priscilla
>
> Message posted via http://www.hwkb.com

In article <57f85244ca40e@uwe>, "phorner via HWKB.com" <u16111@uwe> wrote:

> Thank for your suggestions. I wasn't able to "find" those drives, but
> eventually went onto MSI tech asst site and downloaded their live update
> program. Then downloaded and installed all drivers, I downloaded, but
> chickened out on installing an upgraded BIOs. I turned the machine off (not
> restart) and checked Win Explorer and found intact, apparently identical
> data on my two sata drives.
>
> Thanks again for your help!
>
> Priscilla
>

The important thing, is you got all the data back. And that is
all that matters...

Paul

> In article <57f85244ca40e@uwe>, "phorner via HWKB.com" <u16111@uwe>
> wrote:
>
> The important thing, is you got all the data back. And that is
> all that matters...


Damn right. My old HD crashed after a power supply failure, and the data
recovery company is charging me about a grand to recover my data.