I am aware that there has been lots of debate as to whether defragging
is necessary, but if one chooses to use such software, what is the
latest and greatest in the defrag software wars?

Thanks
Ken K

Best and most trouble free is included with XP.
"Ken" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Emgwk.37511$(E-Mail Removed)...
>I am aware that there has been lots of debate as to whether defragging is
>necessary, but if one chooses to use such software, what is the latest and
>greatest in the defrag software wars?
>
> Thanks
> Ken K

there is no debate
on the benefits of
defraging the disk:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/defraghd.htm

here is more tools
offered by microsoft:

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...ps/defrag.mspx

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb897426.aspx

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"Ken" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:Emgwk.37511$(E-Mail Removed)...
>I am aware that there has been lots of debate as to whether defragging is necessary, but if one chooses to use such software, what
>is the latest and greatest in the defrag software wars?
>
> Thanks
> Ken K

The defrag wars have pretty much come to an end. Most defragmentation
software use an API named Movefile. Which limits what a defrag tool running
in Windows XP is allowed to do.

"The MoveFile API implements a set of rules for moving files while the OS is
active. By nature, the MoveFile API presents challenges because it requires
that the OS move data 16 clusters at a time. Therefore, even for online
de-fragmentation, utilities that use the MoveFile API must do extra work to
arrange files contiguously. A more serious problem, however, is that the
MoveFile API contains no provisions for moving system files. The inability
to manipulate these system files decreases the effectiveness of
de-fragmentation utilities. A highly fragmented page file, for example,
becomes a huge obstacle because it fragments available free space, and a
de-fragmentation utility cannot find contiguous space to place data files.
To completely understand this problem, you need to look at the
characteristics of specific system files."
Full article:
http://www.vista-xp.co.uk/forums/tec...e-exposed.html

Diskeeper: http://www.diskeeper.com/defrag.asp
This is the full version of what is built into Windows XP and can defrag
system files which XP built-in defrag utility can not.

Free: PageDefrag:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb897426.aspx

JS
www.pagestart.com



"Ken" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:Emgwk.37511$(E-Mail Removed)...
>I am aware that there has been lots of debate as to whether defragging is
>necessary, but if one chooses to use such software, what is the latest and
>greatest in the defrag software wars?
>
> Thanks
> Ken K

"JS" <@> wrote in message news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> Full article:
>
http://www.vista-xp.co.uk/forums/tec...e-exposed.html



That was an interesting read. I still use FAT32 and DOS, so I can fully defrag
(at most it takes a few manual steps). Unfortunately, since most people are
moving to Windows-only-with-NTFS, and the increasing size of hard drives, it’s
going to become more of an issue.

The most important factor in keeping drives unfragmented is partitioning.
Keeping the OS and data separate, and using a dedicated drive for the pagefile
(either physical or logical) will immensely help defragging be faster and more
effective; it will even help avoid needing to defrag at all.

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Alec S.
news/alec->synetech/cjb/net

Well, let's see here. Active system files not able to be defragmented,
pretty much the norm if the defragmenter operated within that same MS
operating system and came with the MS operating system. Some pay for 3rd
party defragmenters can though. The vast majority of help provided here
suggests or even says NTFS is best. So, such can't be defragmented by msdos
type of boot disk with defragmenter. Yes, I know. Its one of those
freebies that someone can put together. Can't have that. Same story,
different day (SSDD)
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Dave
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> The defrag wars have pretty much come to an end. Most defragmentation
> software use an API named Movefile. Which limits what a defrag tool
> running in Windows XP is allowed to do.
>
> "The MoveFile API implements a set of rules for moving files while the OS
> is active. By nature, the MoveFile API presents challenges because it
> requires that the OS move data 16 clusters at a time. Therefore, even for
> online de-fragmentation, utilities that use the MoveFile API must do extra
> work to arrange files contiguously. A more serious problem, however, is
> that the MoveFile API contains no provisions for moving system files. The
> inability to manipulate these system files decreases the effectiveness of
> de-fragmentation utilities. A highly fragmented page file, for example,
> becomes a huge obstacle because it fragments available free space, and a
> de-fragmentation utility cannot find contiguous space to place data files.
> To completely understand this problem, you need to look at the
> characteristics of specific system files."
> Full article:
> http://www.vista-xp.co.uk/forums/tec...e-exposed.html
>
> Diskeeper: http://www.diskeeper.com/defrag.asp
> This is the full version of what is built into Windows XP and can defrag
> system files which XP built-in defrag utility can not.
>
> Free: PageDefrag:
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb897426.aspx
>
> JS
> www.pagestart.com
>
>
>
> "Ken" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:Emgwk.37511$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>I am aware that there has been lots of debate as to whether defragging is
>>necessary, but if one chooses to use such software, what is the latest and
>>greatest in the defrag software wars?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Ken K
>
>

JS

I found this link an interesting read.
http://www.vista-xp.co.uk/forums/tec...e-exposed.html


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Regards.

Gerry
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Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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JS wrote:
> The defrag wars have pretty much come to an end. Most defragmentation
> software use an API named Movefile. Which limits what a defrag tool
> running in Windows XP is allowed to do.
>
> "The MoveFile API implements a set of rules for moving files while
> the OS is active. By nature, the MoveFile API presents challenges
> because it requires that the OS move data 16 clusters at a time.
> Therefore, even for online de-fragmentation, utilities that use the
> MoveFile API must do extra work to arrange files contiguously. A more
> serious problem, however, is that the MoveFile API contains no
> provisions for moving system files. The inability to manipulate these
> system files decreases the effectiveness of de-fragmentation
> utilities. A highly fragmented page file, for example, becomes a huge
> obstacle because it fragments available free space, and a
> de-fragmentation utility cannot find contiguous space to place data
> files. To completely understand this problem, you need to look at the
> characteristics of specific system files." Full article:
> http://www.vista-xp.co.uk/forums/tec...e-exposed.html
>
> Diskeeper: http://www.diskeeper.com/defrag.asp
> This is the full version of what is built into Windows XP and can
> defrag system files which XP built-in defrag utility can not.
>
> Free: PageDefrag:
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb897426.aspx
>
> JS
> www.pagestart.com
>
>
>
> "Ken" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:Emgwk.37511$(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I am aware that there has been lots of debate as to whether
>> defragging is necessary, but if one chooses to use such software,
>> what is the latest and greatest in the defrag software wars?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Ken K

Thanks but that is the same link I included in my post.

JS

"Gerry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:%(E-Mail Removed)...
> JS
>
> I found this link an interesting read.
> http://www.vista-xp.co.uk/forums/tec...e-exposed.html
>
>
> --
> Regards.
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~
> FCA
> Stourport, England
> Enquire, plan and execute
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> JS wrote:
>> The defrag wars have pretty much come to an end. Most defragmentation
>> software use an API named Movefile. Which limits what a defrag tool
>> running in Windows XP is allowed to do.
>>
>> "The MoveFile API implements a set of rules for moving files while
>> the OS is active. By nature, the MoveFile API presents challenges
>> because it requires that the OS move data 16 clusters at a time.
>> Therefore, even for online de-fragmentation, utilities that use the
>> MoveFile API must do extra work to arrange files contiguously. A more
>> serious problem, however, is that the MoveFile API contains no
>> provisions for moving system files. The inability to manipulate these
>> system files decreases the effectiveness of de-fragmentation
>> utilities. A highly fragmented page file, for example, becomes a huge
>> obstacle because it fragments available free space, and a
>> de-fragmentation utility cannot find contiguous space to place data
>> files. To completely understand this problem, you need to look at the
>> characteristics of specific system files." Full article:
>> http://www.vista-xp.co.uk/forums/tec...e-exposed.html
>>
>> Diskeeper: http://www.diskeeper.com/defrag.asp
>> This is the full version of what is built into Windows XP and can
>> defrag system files which XP built-in defrag utility can not.
>>
>> Free: PageDefrag:
>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s.../bb897426.aspx
>>
>> JS
>> www.pagestart.com
>>
>>
>>
>> "Ken" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:Emgwk.37511$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> I am aware that there has been lots of debate as to whether
>>> defragging is necessary, but if one chooses to use such software,
>>> what is the latest and greatest in the defrag software wars?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Ken K
>
>

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Ken <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> I am aware that there has been lots of debate as to whether defragging
> is necessary, but if one chooses to use such software, what is the
> latest and greatest in the defrag software wars?

The included defragger is not very good, but should do in
most situations. It also seems it only rarely trashed the disk.
Woth other solutions the riosk may be higher and less reported,
because they see less use.

Arno

"Ken" wrote:

> I am aware that there has been lots of debate as to whether defragging
> is necessary, but if one chooses to use such software, what is the
> latest and greatest in the defrag software wars?
>
> Thanks
> Ken K
>
Hello,

Pagdfrg,Microsoft sysinternals and Http://www.kessels.com
for JKDefrag, free defrag tool.
Two tools that are free and useful.

take care.
beamish.