I am using the built in Windows defrag utility to tidy up my Windows C:
partition but encountering some very large files (tens of megabytes)
that are very fragmented and obviously "in use" therefore never get
defragged.

I am also unable to see exactly which ones they are as the dialog is not
wide enough to show the full path - and I can't see any way of dragging
it wider. I tried printing the list to a pdf file but it still cut off
the margins.

I'd like to check through this list and see what files might be
deletable in DOS (like any large log files)

Any other suggestions for dealing with this welcome. Or do I just ignore it?
Or any reliable 3rd party free defrag utility?

Prior to XP when I had win98SE I used to use Norton disk tools and it
was usually possible to defrag most of these sorts of files.

Windows XP Home SP3 updated regularly
Windows on C plus any program that absolutely insists on being there,
(most) Programs on D
and Data on E

Many thanks.


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"Robert M Jones" <robert53newsgroups-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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I am using the built in Windows defrag utility to tidy up my Windows C:
partition but encountering some very large files (tens of megabytes)
that are very fragmented and obviously "in use" therefore never get
defragged.

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"Robert M Jones" <robert53newsgroups-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>I am using the built in Windows defrag utility to tidy up my Windows C:
>partition but encountering some very large files (tens of megabytes) that
>are very fragmented and obviously "in use" therefore never get defragged.
>
> I am also unable to see exactly which ones they are as the dialog is not
> wide enough to show the full path - and I can't see any way of dragging it
> wider. I tried printing the list to a pdf file but it still cut off the
> margins.
>
> I'd like to check through this list and see what files might be deletable
> in DOS (like any large log files)
>
> Any other suggestions for dealing with this welcome. Or do I just ignore
> it?
> Or any reliable 3rd party free defrag utility?
>
> Prior to XP when I had win98SE I used to use Norton disk tools and it was
> usually possible to defrag most of these sorts of files.
>
> Windows XP Home SP3 updated regularly
> Windows on C plus any program that absolutely insists on being there,
> (most) Programs on D
> and Data on E
>
> Many thanks.
>
>
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> http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk
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> goes to our partners in Bulgaria)
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Unless there is enough space on the drive, very large files may not ever
defragment properly. if you want to find out what and where they are, try
Treesize..

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Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> "Robert M Jones" <robert53newsgroups-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> message news:%23V%(E-Mail Removed)...
>> I am using the built in Windows defrag utility to tidy up my Windows
>> C: partition but encountering some very large files (tens of
>> megabytes) that are very fragmented and obviously "in use" therefore
>> never get defragged.
>>
>> I am also unable to see exactly which ones they are as the dialog is
>> not wide enough to show the full path - and I can't see any way of
>> dragging it wider. I tried printing the list to a pdf file but it
>> still cut off the margins.
>>
>> I'd like to check through this list and see what files might be
>> deletable in DOS (like any large log files)
>>
>> Any other suggestions for dealing with this welcome. Or do I just
>> ignore it?
>> Or any reliable 3rd party free defrag utility?
>>
>> Prior to XP when I had win98SE I used to use Norton disk tools and it
>> was usually possible to defrag most of these sorts of files.
>>
>> Windows XP Home SP3 updated regularly
>> Windows on C plus any program that absolutely insists on being there,
>> (most) Programs on D
>> and Data on E
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK
>> http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk
>> Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email spam filter - (commission
>> goes to our partners in Bulgaria)
>> http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420
>
>
> Unless there is enough space on the drive, very large files may not ever
> defragment properly. if you want to find out what and where they are,
> try Treesize..
>
> http://www.jam-software.com/freeware/index.shtml
>
>
Thanks to all. I have between 1 and 2 GB free on the C partition. I
recently enlarged it because it was getting a bit tight.

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On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:25:02 +0000, Robert M Jones
<robert53newsgroups-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>> Unless there is enough space on the drive, very large files may not ever
>> defragment properly. if you want to find out what and where they are,
>> try Treesize..
>>
>> http://www.jam-software.com/freeware/index.shtml
>>
>>
>Thanks to all. I have between 1 and 2 GB free on the C partition. I
>recently enlarged it because it was getting a bit tight.

Definitely not enough space for most defragmenters to do what you
want.

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Robert

Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and
click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents
Folder. This is a text file. You can just scroll right to read it or use
Edit, Select All to Copy and paste into a Word document. Either way you
overcome the difficulty you have encountered.

You said you have only got 1 gb free space but fail to mention the size
of your C partition. The Microsoft Disk Defragmenter starts to complain
if you have less than 15% free space. For better results you need 20% to
25% free space. If you have another partition with free space there are
many ways to overcome a shortage of free space, especially if you have
not looked at disk space issues before. A third party defragmenter is
not the best way to deal with limited space issues.

Two suggestions which may overcome your immediate problem. If they do
not work I can make further suggestions.

The default allocation to System Restore is 12% on your C partition
which is over generous. I would reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My
Computer icon on the Desktop and select System Restore. Place the cursor
on your C drive select Settings but this time find the slider and drag
it to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit. When you get to the
Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit.

Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp to
Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also
select Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp,
More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System
Restore point. Run Disk Defragmenter.


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Robert M Jones wrote:
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>> "Robert M Jones" <robert53newsgroups-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> message news:%23V%(E-Mail Removed)...
>>> I am using the built in Windows defrag utility to tidy up my Windows
>>> C: partition but encountering some very large files (tens of
>>> megabytes) that are very fragmented and obviously "in use" therefore
>>> never get defragged.
>>>
>>> I am also unable to see exactly which ones they are as the dialog is
>>> not wide enough to show the full path - and I can't see any way of
>>> dragging it wider. I tried printing the list to a pdf file but it
>>> still cut off the margins.
>>>
>>> I'd like to check through this list and see what files might be
>>> deletable in DOS (like any large log files)
>>>
>>> Any other suggestions for dealing with this welcome. Or do I just
>>> ignore it?
>>> Or any reliable 3rd party free defrag utility?
>>>
>>> Prior to XP when I had win98SE I used to use Norton disk tools and
>>> it was usually possible to defrag most of these sorts of files.
>>>
>>> Windows XP Home SP3 updated regularly
>>> Windows on C plus any program that absolutely insists on being
>>> there, (most) Programs on D
>>> and Data on E
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rev Robert M Jones, Wimborne Baptist Church, UK
>>> http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk
>>> Free trial of Mailwasher Pro - effective email spam filter -
>>> (commission goes to our partners in Bulgaria)
>>> http://fta.firetrust.com/index.cgi?id=420
>>
>>
>> Unless there is enough space on the drive, very large files may not
>> ever defragment properly. if you want to find out what and where
>> they are, try Treesize..
>>
>> http://www.jam-software.com/freeware/index.shtml
>>
>>
> Thanks to all. I have between 1 and 2 GB free on the C partition. I
> recently enlarged it because it was getting a bit tight.

Gerry wrote:
> Robert
>
> Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and
> click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents
> Folder. This is a text file. You can just scroll right to read it or use
> Edit, Select All to Copy and paste into a Word document. Either way you
> overcome the difficulty you have encountered.
>
> You said you have only got 1 gb free space but fail to mention the size
> of your C partition. The Microsoft Disk Defragmenter starts to complain
> if you have less than 15% free space. For better results you need 20% to
> 25% free space. If you have another partition with free space there are
> many ways to overcome a shortage of free space, especially if you have
> not looked at disk space issues before. A third party defragmenter is
> not the best way to deal with limited space issues.
>
> Two suggestions which may overcome your immediate problem. If they do
> not work I can make further suggestions.
>
> The default allocation to System Restore is 12% on your C partition
> which is over generous. I would reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My
> Computer icon on the Desktop and select System Restore. Place the cursor
> on your C drive select Settings but this time find the slider and drag
> it to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit. When you get to the
> Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit.
>
> Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp to
> Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also
> select Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp,
> More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System
> Restore point. Run Disk Defragmenter.
>
>

Thanks - that sounds helpful.

C: partition stats from Explorer are 12.5GB with 2.55GB Free

I use CCleaner regularly to keep temp files low.
I'll check the System Restore - have a feeling i have already attended
to that setting when I set the whole thing up.
I have Windows set to compress infrequently used files on C

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"Robert M Jones" <robert53newsgroups-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Gerry wrote:
>> Robert
>>
>> Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and
>> click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents
>> Folder. This is a text file. You can just scroll right to read it or use
>> Edit, Select All to Copy and paste into a Word document. Either way you
>> overcome the difficulty you have encountered.
>>
>> You said you have only got 1 gb free space but fail to mention the size
>> of your C partition. The Microsoft Disk Defragmenter starts to complain
>> if you have less than 15% free space. For better results you need 20% to
>> 25% free space. If you have another partition with free space there are
>> many ways to overcome a shortage of free space, especially if you have
>> not looked at disk space issues before. A third party defragmenter is not
>> the best way to deal with limited space issues.
>>
>> Two suggestions which may overcome your immediate problem. If they do not
>> work I can make further suggestions.
>>
>> The default allocation to System Restore is 12% on your C partition
>> which is over generous. I would reduce it to 700 mb. Right click your My
>> Computer icon on the Desktop and select System Restore. Place the cursor
>> on your C drive select Settings but this time find the slider and drag
>> it to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit. When you get to the
>> Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit.
>>
>> Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp to
>> Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also
>> select Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp,
>> More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System
>> Restore point. Run Disk Defragmenter.
>>
>>
>
> Thanks - that sounds helpful.
>
> C: partition stats from Explorer are 12.5GB with 2.55GB Free
>
> I use CCleaner regularly to keep temp files low.
> I'll check the System Restore - have a feeling i have already attended to
> that setting when I set the whole thing up.
> I have Windows set to compress infrequently used files on C
>
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> http://www.wimborne-baptist.org.uk
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> goes to our partners in Bulgaria)
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You need a bigger partition for your C drive. If I am not mistaken (and I
might well be mistaken), you need enough free space to equal the largest
file that needs to be defragmented.
You may easily gain lots of extra space if you temporarily disable system
restore (which deletes all restore points) followed by enabling system
restore.
Jim

Robert

If you still cannot defragment any files on your C partition please post
a copy of the Disk Defragmenter report. Also to what extent do you have
free disk space elsewhere?

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Robert M Jones wrote:
> Gerry wrote:
>> Robert
>>
>> Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and
>> click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents
>> Folder. This is a text file. You can just scroll right to read it or
>> use Edit, Select All to Copy and paste into a Word document. Either
>> way you overcome the difficulty you have encountered.
>>
>> You said you have only got 1 gb free space but fail to mention the
>> size of your C partition. The Microsoft Disk Defragmenter starts to
>> complain if you have less than 15% free space. For better results
>> you need 20% to 25% free space. If you have another partition with
>> free space there are many ways to overcome a shortage of free space,
>> especially if you have not looked at disk space issues before. A
>> third party defragmenter is not the best way to deal with limited
>> space issues. Two suggestions which may overcome your immediate
>> problem. If they do
>> not work I can make further suggestions.
>>
>> The default allocation to System Restore is 12% on your C partition
>> which is over generous. I would reduce it to 700 mb. Right click
>> your My Computer icon on the Desktop and select System Restore.
>> Place the cursor on your C drive select Settings but this time find
>> the slider and drag it to the left until it reads 700 mb and exit.
>> When you get to the Settings screen click on Apply and OK and exit.
>>
>> Select Start, All Programs, Accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp
>> to Empty your Recycle Bin and Remove Temporary Internet Files. Also
>> select Start, All Programs, accessories, System Tools, Disk CleanUp,
>> More Options, System Restore and remove all but the latest System
>> Restore point. Run Disk Defragmenter.
>>
>>
>
> Thanks - that sounds helpful.
>
> C: partition stats from Explorer are 12.5GB with 2.55GB Free
>
> I use CCleaner regularly to keep temp files low.
> I'll check the System Restore - have a feeling i have already attended
> to that setting when I set the whole thing up.
> I have Windows set to compress infrequently used files on C

I would try SpeedDefrag cause it defrags the whole system in safe mode
(icluding paging file).
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"Josh White" wrote:

> On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:09:03 +0000, Robert M Jones
> <robert53newsgroups-(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
> >I am using the built in Windows defrag utility to tidy up my Windows C:
> >partition but encountering some very large files (tens of megabytes)
> >that are very fragmented and obviously "in use" therefore never get
> >defragged.
> >
> >I am also unable to see exactly which ones they are as the dialog is not
> >wide enough to show the full path - and I can't see any way of dragging
> >it wider. I tried printing the list to a pdf file but it still cut off
> >the margins.
> >
> >I'd like to check through this list and see what files might be
> >deletable in DOS (like any large log files)
> >
> >Any other suggestions for dealing with this welcome. Or do I just ignore it?
> >Or any reliable 3rd party free defrag utility?
>
> Google each of the following:
>
> Auslogics
> JKdefrag
> Smart Defrag
>
>
> >Prior to XP when I had win98SE I used to use Norton disk tools and it
> >was usually possible to defrag most of these sorts of files.
> >
> >Windows XP Home SP3 updated regularly
> >Windows on C plus any program that absolutely insists on being there,
> >(most) Programs on D
> >and Data on E
> >
> >Many thanks.
>
> PJ White
>