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helmsman@wowway.com
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      11th May 2009
WinXP Pro - When I defragment it tells me some files couldn,t be
defragmented.
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Fragmented files 4
Total excess fragments 16
Fragmented folders 1
Total MFT fragments 2
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Do I need to worry about this and if so what can I do to fix it?

TIA
 
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      11th May 2009

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> WinXP Pro - When I defragment it tells me some files couldn,t be
> defragmented.
> =================================
> Fragmented files 4
> Total excess fragments 16
> Fragmented folders 1
> Total MFT fragments 2
> =================================
>
> Do I need to worry about this and if so what can I do to fix it?
>
> TIA

Files which are in use cannot be defragmented. The MFT is always in use.

The amount of fragmentation shown by this log is very small and no cause for
alarm.

Jim



 
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Gerry
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      11th May 2009
I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report . Open Disk
Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and click on Save
As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents Folder and post a
copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it is more
informative.


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Hope this helps.

Gerry
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> WinXP Pro - When I defragment it tells me some files couldn,t be
> defragmented.
> =================================
> Fragmented files 4
> Total excess fragments 16
> Fragmented folders 1
> Total MFT fragments 2
> =================================
>
> Do I need to worry about this and if so what can I do to fix it?
>
> TIA


 
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helmsman@wowway.com
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      12th May 2009
On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:42:27 +0100, "Gerry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report . Open Disk
>Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and click on Save
>As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents Folder and post a
>copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it is more
>informative.


Volume (C
Volume size = 229 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 9.65 GB
Free space = 220 GB
Percent free space = 95 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 0 %
File fragmentation = 1 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 54,635
Average file size = 226 KB
Total fragmented files = 359
Total excess fragments = 730
Average fragments per file = 1.01

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 1.49 GB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 5,194
Fragmented folders = 5
Excess folder fragments = 21

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 59 MB
MFT record count = 59,903
Percent MFT in use = 98 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
39 10 MB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
Settings\Application Data\Google\GoogleEarth\dbCache.dat
27 1 MB \Documents and
Settings\DJBSLASS\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Desktop
Background.bmp
19 2 MB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
Settings\Application
Data\SupportSoft\DellSupportCenter\DJBSLASS\state\logs\sprtcmd.log;1
18 913 KB \Program Files\Agent\Data\temp\Miss
Spanial.bmp
16 10 MB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\Cache\_CACHE_003_
16 795 KB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
Settings\Application
Data\SupportSoft\DellSupportCenter\DJBSLASS\data\manifest.xml
15 1 KB \Documents and
Settings\DJBSLASS\ntuser.dat.LOG
12 1 KB \WINDOWS\system32\config\system.LOG
10 216 KB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\Cache
9 468 KB \System Volume
Information\_restore{46DE8921-1D39-44D2-A9E9-64119261F211}\RP15\change.log.5
9 36 KB \Program
Files\Google\Chrome\Application\1.0.154.65\Resources\Inspector\Images
9 3 MB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\Cache\_CACHE_002_
8 1 MB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application
Data\SupportSoft\DellSupportCenter\SYSTEM\state\logs\sprtcmd.log
8 3 MB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\Cache\F4C7D58Cd01
8 1 MB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\Cache\31A5A5D8d01
7 3 MB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\Cache\_CACHE_001_
7 165 KB \Documents and
Settings\DJBSLASS\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\places.sqlite-journal
7 1 MB \Program Files\Agent\Data\XPOST.DAT
7 501 KB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
Settings\Application
Data\SupportSoft\DellSupportCenter\DJBSLASS\data\sprt_job\e36daa33-d3ed-4f98-b8f0-d637e37abf9b.2\vault\PC\PCD_Patch_1.exe\529291_525b81040_
6 21 MB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\urlclassifier3.sqlite
6 125 KB \Program
Files\Agent\Data\temp\frightening.gif
6 179 KB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
Settings\Application
Data\SupportSoft\DellSupportCenter\DJBSLASS\state\logs\sprtcmd.log
6 119 KB \Program
Files\Agent\Data\temp\image.gif
6 130 KB \Program Files\Agent\Data\00001D4A.DAT
5 945 KB \WINDOWS\Temp\CR_43.tmp\setup.exe
5 65 KB \Program Files\Agent\Data\temp\05.jpg
5 57 KB \Program Files\Agent\Data\temp\04.jpg
5 67 KB \Program Files\Agent\Data\temp\03.jpg
5 69 KB \Program Files\Alwil
Software\Avast4\DATA\log\aswAr.log
5 427 KB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
Settings\Application
Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\Cache\8976F537d01

 
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Gerry
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      12th May 2009
I cannot see any obvious problem. If you ran Disk Defragmenter I would
expect to see no files listed in the Most Fragmented Files list. You
will have one fragmented file the Master File Table. which will be in 2
fragments. This is normal. The Master File Table is never included in
the Most Fragmented Files list, which tends to confuse. You are told not
all files have been fragmented but none are listed.

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Hope this helps.

Gerry
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FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



(E-Mail Removed) wrote:
> On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:42:27 +0100, "Gerry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report . Open
>> Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and
>> click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents
>> Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as
>> it is more informative.

>
> Volume (C
> Volume size = 229 GB
> Cluster size = 4 KB
> Used space = 9.65 GB
> Free space = 220 GB
> Percent free space = 95 %
>
> Volume fragmentation
> Total fragmentation = 0 %
> File fragmentation = 1 %
> Free space fragmentation = 0 %
>
> File fragmentation
> Total files = 54,635
> Average file size = 226 KB
> Total fragmented files = 359
> Total excess fragments = 730
> Average fragments per file = 1.01
>
> Pagefile fragmentation
> Pagefile size = 1.49 GB
> Total fragments = 1
>
> Folder fragmentation
> Total folders = 5,194
> Fragmented folders = 5
> Excess folder fragments = 21
>
> Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
> Total MFT size = 59 MB
> MFT record count = 59,903
> Percent MFT in use = 98 %
> Total MFT fragments = 2
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
> 39 10 MB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
> Settings\Application Data\Google\GoogleEarth\dbCache.dat
> 27 1 MB \Documents and
> Settings\DJBSLASS\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Desktop
> Background.bmp
> 19 2 MB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
> Settings\Application
> Data\SupportSoft\DellSupportCenter\DJBSLASS\state\logs\sprtcmd.log;1
> 18 913 KB \Program Files\Agent\Data\temp\Miss
> Spanial.bmp
> 16 10 MB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
> Settings\Application
> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\Cache\_CACHE_003_
> 16 795 KB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
> Settings\Application
> Data\SupportSoft\DellSupportCenter\DJBSLASS\data\manifest.xml
> 15 1 KB \Documents and
> Settings\DJBSLASS\ntuser.dat.LOG
> 12 1 KB \WINDOWS\system32\config\system.LOG
> 10 216 KB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
> Settings\Application
> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\Cache
> 9 468 KB \System Volume
> Information\_restore{46DE8921-1D39-44D2-A9E9-64119261F211}\RP15\change.log.5
> 9 36 KB \Program
> Files\Google\Chrome\Application\1.0.154.65\Resources\Inspector\Images
> 9 3 MB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
> Settings\Application
> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\Cache\_CACHE_002_
> 8 1 MB \Documents and Settings\All
> Users\Application
> Data\SupportSoft\DellSupportCenter\SYSTEM\state\logs\sprtcmd.log
> 8 3 MB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
> Settings\Application
> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\Cache\F4C7D58Cd01
> 8 1 MB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
> Settings\Application
> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\Cache\31A5A5D8d01
> 7 3 MB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
> Settings\Application
> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\Cache\_CACHE_001_
> 7 165 KB \Documents and
> Settings\DJBSLASS\Application
> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\places.sqlite-journal
> 7 1 MB \Program Files\Agent\Data\XPOST.DAT
> 7 501 KB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
> Settings\Application
> Data\SupportSoft\DellSupportCenter\DJBSLASS\data\sprt_job\e36daa33-d3ed-4f98-b8f0-d637e37abf9b.2\vault\PC\PCD_Patch_1.exe\529291_525b81040_
> 6 21 MB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
> Settings\Application
> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\urlclassifier3.sqlite
> 6 125 KB \Program
> Files\Agent\Data\temp\frightening.gif
> 6 179 KB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
> Settings\Application
> Data\SupportSoft\DellSupportCenter\DJBSLASS\state\logs\sprtcmd.log
> 6 119 KB \Program
> Files\Agent\Data\temp\image.gif
> 6 130 KB \Program Files\Agent\Data\00001D4A.DAT
> 5 945 KB \WINDOWS\Temp\CR_43.tmp\setup.exe
> 5 65 KB \Program Files\Agent\Data\temp\05.jpg
> 5 57 KB \Program Files\Agent\Data\temp\04.jpg
> 5 67 KB \Program Files\Agent\Data\temp\03.jpg
> 5 69 KB \Program Files\Alwil
> Software\Avast4\DATA\log\aswAr.log
> 5 427 KB \Documents and Settings\DJBSLASS\Local
> Settings\Application
> Data\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\2m1l14rc.default\Cache\8976F537d01


 
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      12th May 2009
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> On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:42:27 +0100, "Gerry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>> I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report . Open Disk
>> Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and click on Save
>> As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents Folder and post a
>> copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it is more
>> informative.

>
> Volume (C
> Volume size = 229 GB
> Cluster size = 4 KB
> Used space = 9.65 GB
> Free space = 220 GB
> Percent free space = 95 %
>
> Volume fragmentation
> Total fragmentation = 0 %
> File fragmentation = 1 %
> Free space fragmentation = 0 %
>
> File fragmentation
> Total files = 54,635
> Average file size = 226 KB
> Total fragmented files = 359
> Total excess fragments = 730
> Average fragments per file = 1.01
>
> Pagefile fragmentation
> Pagefile size = 1.49 GB
> Total fragments = 1
>
> Folder fragmentation
> Total folders = 5,194
> Fragmented folders = 5
> Excess folder fragments = 21
>
> Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
> Total MFT size = 59 MB
> MFT record count = 59,903
> Percent MFT in use = 98 %
> Total MFT fragments = 2
>



Helmsman, this report looks normal - nothing to worry about.

1- Try and not be 'obsessive' about fragmentation. The moment you
defrag, re-fragmentation already restarts.

2 - A more user-friendly defragger which actually allows you to see (and
defrag) individual files is 'defraggler.exe' (get it here:
http://www.defraggler.com/ -- it is freeware)
It will tell you exactly which files it was unable to defrag.

You may want to run the XP defragger, followed immediately by
defraggler, to see which files are still fragmented.

3- I repeat point (1). Do not get obsessive about defragmentation.
Doing it too often will do more harm (HDD wear) than good (0.n %
improvement in speed).
 
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occam

"It will tell you exactly which files it was unable to defrag."

The Microsoft Disk Defragmenter does that. You just need to read the
whole report and realise that the MFT Table and Pagefile are never
included in the Most Fragmented file list.

"You may want to run the XP defragger, followed immediately by
defraggler, to see which files are still fragmented.
"
Defraggler is a good tool but it also does not include the MFT Table in
the list! It does provide a list of all other fragmented files before
defragmenting. You can also defragment individual files. It does not
always work -last night in Vista it baulked at defragmenting two files.
One was a large System Restore point (IE8 update).

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Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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occam wrote:
> (E-Mail Removed) wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 May 2009 23:42:27 +0100, "Gerry" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>> I would be interested in seeing a Disk Defragmenter report . Open
>>> Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and
>>> click on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My
>>> Documents Folder and post a copy. Do this before running Disk
>>> Defragmenter as it is more informative.

>>
>> Volume (C
>> Volume size = 229 GB
>> Cluster size = 4 KB
>> Used space = 9.65 GB
>> Free space = 220 GB
>> Percent free space = 95 %
>>
>> Volume fragmentation
>> Total fragmentation = 0 %
>> File fragmentation = 1 %
>> Free space fragmentation = 0 %
>>
>> File fragmentation
>> Total files = 54,635
>> Average file size = 226 KB
>> Total fragmented files = 359
>> Total excess fragments = 730
>> Average fragments per file = 1.01
>>
>> Pagefile fragmentation
>> Pagefile size = 1.49 GB
>> Total fragments = 1
>>
>> Folder fragmentation
>> Total folders = 5,194
>> Fragmented folders = 5
>> Excess folder fragments = 21
>>
>> Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
>> Total MFT size = 59 MB
>> MFT record count = 59,903
>> Percent MFT in use = 98 %
>> Total MFT fragments = 2
>>

>
>
> Helmsman, this report looks normal - nothing to worry about.
>
> 1- Try and not be 'obsessive' about fragmentation. The moment you
> defrag, re-fragmentation already restarts.
>
> 2 - A more user-friendly defragger which actually allows you to see
> (and defrag) individual files is 'defraggler.exe' (get it here:
> http://www.defraggler.com/ -- it is freeware)
> It will tell you exactly which files it was unable to defrag.
>
> You may want to run the XP defragger, followed immediately by
> defraggler, to see which files are still fragmented.
>
> 3- I repeat point (1). Do not get obsessive about defragmentation.
> Doing it too often will do more harm (HDD wear) than good (0.n %
> improvement in speed).


 
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