I have an XP Pro SP2 system with all current updates installed that always
says the primary partition needs to be defragged; even just after a defrag
has been run. There doesn't appear to be any fragmented files in the
analysis display. I have even loaded and run diskkeeper defrag - then
removed it, and Windows still says that it needs to be defragged.

???????

Dan

More info - system is an HP dc5700 business PC with a system restore
partition and a boot partition - both are NTFS - when analyzing each
partition, the restore partition shows that it does not need to be defragged,
but the boot partition always does.

"Dan" wrote:

> I have an XP Pro SP2 system with all current updates installed that always
> says the primary partition needs to be defragged; even just after a defrag
> has been run. There doesn't appear to be any fragmented files in the
> analysis display. I have even loaded and run diskkeeper defrag - then
> removed it, and Windows still says that it needs to be defragged.
>
> ???????
>
> Dan

Dan

Comments in Disk Defragmenter as to whether a partition needs to be
defragmented are in my view frequently unreliable. What
does the report say in terms of numbers of fragmented files?

Volume WinXP (C
Volume size = 24.41 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 6.42 GB
Free space = 17.98 GB
Percent free space = 73 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 3 %
File fragmentation = 7 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 35,121
Average file size = 244 KB
Total fragmented files = 783
Total excess fragments = 3,057
Average fragments per file = 1.08

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 1.13 GB
Total fragments = 1

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 2,813
Fragmented folders = 14
Excess folder fragments = 16

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 40 MB
MFT record count = 37,995
Percent MFT in use = 92 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

This Report says 7% File Fragmentation or 783 Files. This may not seem a
high
proportion of the whole but leaving aside the large System Restore
points these
are the files I access most frequently. These are the files which if
fragmented will
slow me down. This partition has a lot of system files. If it is similar
on a partition
containing only data files it would have an even more marked impact on
system
performance.


"Dan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:EBCA7DC0-60B1-41DE-901E-(E-Mail Removed)...
> More info - system is an HP dc5700 business PC with a system restore
> partition and a boot partition - both are NTFS - when analyzing each
> partition, the restore partition shows that it does not need to be
> defragged,
> but the boot partition always does.
>
> "Dan" wrote:
>
>> I have an XP Pro SP2 system with all current updates installed that
>> always
>> says the primary partition needs to be defragged; even just after a
>> defrag
>> has been run. There doesn't appear to be any fragmented files in the
>> analysis display. I have even loaded and run diskkeeper defrag -
>> then
>> removed it, and Windows still says that it needs to be defragged.
>>
>> ???????
>>
>> Dan

Here is the report:
Vol Size - 66.52G
Cluster Size - 4k
Used Space - 8.43G
Free Space - 58.09G
% Free - 87%

Vol Fragmentation
Total - 17%
File Fragmentation - 35%
Total Fragmented Files - 8
Total Excess Fragments - 22
Average Fragments per File - 1

Page File - 2.98 G (system has 2 gig of ram)
Total Fragments - 2

Total Folders - 3147
Fragmented - 1
Excess Folder Fragments - 2

MFT Size - 31 MB
MFT Record Count - 31,329
% MFT in use - 99
Total MFT Fragments - 2

"Gerry" wrote:

> Dan
>
> Comments in Disk Defragmenter as to whether a partition needs to be
> defragmented are in my view frequently unreliable. What
> does the report say in terms of numbers of fragmented files?
>
> Volume WinXP (C
> Volume size = 24.41 GB
> Cluster size = 4 KB
> Used space = 6.42 GB
> Free space = 17.98 GB
> Percent free space = 73 %
>
> Volume fragmentation
> Total fragmentation = 3 %
> File fragmentation = 7 %
> Free space fragmentation = 0 %
>
> File fragmentation
> Total files = 35,121
> Average file size = 244 KB
> Total fragmented files = 783
> Total excess fragments = 3,057
> Average fragments per file = 1.08
>
> Pagefile fragmentation
> Pagefile size = 1.13 GB
> Total fragments = 1
>
> Folder fragmentation
> Total folders = 2,813
> Fragmented folders = 14
> Excess folder fragments = 16
>
> Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
> Total MFT size = 40 MB
> MFT record count = 37,995
> Percent MFT in use = 92 %
> Total MFT fragments = 2
>
> This Report says 7% File Fragmentation or 783 Files. This may not seem a
> high
> proportion of the whole but leaving aside the large System Restore
> points these
> are the files I access most frequently. These are the files which if
> fragmented will
> slow me down. This partition has a lot of system files. If it is similar
> on a partition
> containing only data files it would have an even more marked impact on
> system
> performance.
>
>
> "Dan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:EBCA7DC0-60B1-41DE-901E-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > More info - system is an HP dc5700 business PC with a system restore
> > partition and a boot partition - both are NTFS - when analyzing each
> > partition, the restore partition shows that it does not need to be
> > defragged,
> > but the boot partition always does.
> >
> > "Dan" wrote:
> >
> >> I have an XP Pro SP2 system with all current updates installed that
> >> always
> >> says the primary partition needs to be defragged; even just after a
> >> defrag
> >> has been run. There doesn't appear to be any fragmented files in the
> >> analysis display. I have even loaded and run diskkeeper defrag -
> >> then
> >> removed it, and Windows still says that it needs to be defragged.
> >>
> >> ???????
> >>
> >> Dan
>
>
>

Dan

Is this the Windows XP partition? It is strange that you only have 8
fragmented files
and yet have 35% file fragmentation!

Two suggestions.

Set the pagefile to Zero and restart the computer. Run Disk Defragmenter
and
then set the pagefile to a minimum of 3 gb and restart the computer. The
result
should be a nice green single unmovable contiguous block in the middle
of the
drive. This suggestion should work because you have such a large %
unused
disk space and does not work if you have anything approaching 50% used
space.

Unless you have changed the system restore setting from its default
setting
something like 8 gb is allocated for restore points. I would reduce the
allocation to 1 gb. I always run Disk CleanUp include System Restore
on the More Options tab before running Disk Defragmenter.


--



Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Dan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:76C670B3-819E-40B3-B137-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Here is the report:
> Vol Size - 66.52G
> Cluster Size - 4k
> Used Space - 8.43G
> Free Space - 58.09G
> % Free - 87%
>
> Vol Fragmentation
> Total - 17%
> File Fragmentation - 35%
> Total Fragmented Files - 8
> Total Excess Fragments - 22
> Average Fragments per File - 1
>
> Page File - 2.98 G (system has 2 gig of ram)
> Total Fragments - 2
>
> Total Folders - 3147
> Fragmented - 1
> Excess Folder Fragments - 2
>
> MFT Size - 31 MB
> MFT Record Count - 31,329
> % MFT in use - 99
> Total MFT Fragments - 2
>
> "Gerry" wrote:
>
>> Dan
>>
>> Comments in Disk Defragmenter as to whether a partition needs to be
>> defragmented are in my view frequently unreliable. What
>> does the report say in terms of numbers of fragmented files?
>>
>> Volume WinXP (C
>> Volume size = 24.41 GB
>> Cluster size = 4 KB
>> Used space = 6.42 GB
>> Free space = 17.98 GB
>> Percent free space = 73 %
>>
>> Volume fragmentation
>> Total fragmentation = 3 %
>> File fragmentation = 7 %
>> Free space fragmentation = 0 %
>>
>> File fragmentation
>> Total files = 35,121
>> Average file size = 244 KB
>> Total fragmented files = 783
>> Total excess fragments = 3,057
>> Average fragments per file = 1.08
>>
>> Pagefile fragmentation
>> Pagefile size = 1.13 GB
>> Total fragments = 1
>>
>> Folder fragmentation
>> Total folders = 2,813
>> Fragmented folders = 14
>> Excess folder fragments = 16
>>
>> Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
>> Total MFT size = 40 MB
>> MFT record count = 37,995
>> Percent MFT in use = 92 %
>> Total MFT fragments = 2
>>
>> This Report says 7% File Fragmentation or 783 Files. This may not
>> seem a
>> high
>> proportion of the whole but leaving aside the large System Restore
>> points these
>> are the files I access most frequently. These are the files which if
>> fragmented will
>> slow me down. This partition has a lot of system files. If it is
>> similar
>> on a partition
>> containing only data files it would have an even more marked impact
>> on
>> system
>> performance.
>>
>>
>> "Dan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:EBCA7DC0-60B1-41DE-901E-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > More info - system is an HP dc5700 business PC with a system
>> > restore
>> > partition and a boot partition - both are NTFS - when analyzing
>> > each
>> > partition, the restore partition shows that it does not need to be
>> > defragged,
>> > but the boot partition always does.
>> >
>> > "Dan" wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have an XP Pro SP2 system with all current updates installed
>> >> that
>> >> always
>> >> says the primary partition needs to be defragged; even just after
>> >> a
>> >> defrag
>> >> has been run. There doesn't appear to be any fragmented files in
>> >> the
>> >> analysis display. I have even loaded and run diskkeeper defrag -
>> >> then
>> >> removed it, and Windows still says that it needs to be defragged.
>> >>
>> >> ???????
>> >>
>> >> Dan
>>
>>
>>

Yes, it's the Windows partition.

"Gerry" wrote:

> Dan
>
> Is this the Windows XP partition? It is strange that you only have 8
> fragmented files
> and yet have 35% file fragmentation!
>
> Two suggestions.
>
> Set the pagefile to Zero and restart the computer. Run Disk Defragmenter
> and
> then set the pagefile to a minimum of 3 gb and restart the computer. The
> result
> should be a nice green single unmovable contiguous block in the middle
> of the
> drive. This suggestion should work because you have such a large %
> unused
> disk space and does not work if you have anything approaching 50% used
> space.
>
> Unless you have changed the system restore setting from its default
> setting
> something like 8 gb is allocated for restore points. I would reduce the
> allocation to 1 gb. I always run Disk CleanUp include System Restore
> on the More Options tab before running Disk Defragmenter.
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~
> FCA
> Stourport, England
> Enquire, plan and execute
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> "Dan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:76C670B3-819E-40B3-B137-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Here is the report:
> > Vol Size - 66.52G
> > Cluster Size - 4k
> > Used Space - 8.43G
> > Free Space - 58.09G
> > % Free - 87%
> >
> > Vol Fragmentation
> > Total - 17%
> > File Fragmentation - 35%
> > Total Fragmented Files - 8
> > Total Excess Fragments - 22
> > Average Fragments per File - 1
> >
> > Page File - 2.98 G (system has 2 gig of ram)
> > Total Fragments - 2
> >
> > Total Folders - 3147
> > Fragmented - 1
> > Excess Folder Fragments - 2
> >
> > MFT Size - 31 MB
> > MFT Record Count - 31,329
> > % MFT in use - 99
> > Total MFT Fragments - 2
> >
> > "Gerry" wrote:
> >
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Comments in Disk Defragmenter as to whether a partition needs to be
> >> defragmented are in my view frequently unreliable. What
> >> does the report say in terms of numbers of fragmented files?
> >>
> >> Volume WinXP (C
> >> Volume size = 24.41 GB
> >> Cluster size = 4 KB
> >> Used space = 6.42 GB
> >> Free space = 17.98 GB
> >> Percent free space = 73 %
> >>
> >> Volume fragmentation
> >> Total fragmentation = 3 %
> >> File fragmentation = 7 %
> >> Free space fragmentation = 0 %
> >>
> >> File fragmentation
> >> Total files = 35,121
> >> Average file size = 244 KB
> >> Total fragmented files = 783
> >> Total excess fragments = 3,057
> >> Average fragments per file = 1.08
> >>
> >> Pagefile fragmentation
> >> Pagefile size = 1.13 GB
> >> Total fragments = 1
> >>
> >> Folder fragmentation
> >> Total folders = 2,813
> >> Fragmented folders = 14
> >> Excess folder fragments = 16
> >>
> >> Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
> >> Total MFT size = 40 MB
> >> MFT record count = 37,995
> >> Percent MFT in use = 92 %
> >> Total MFT fragments = 2
> >>
> >> This Report says 7% File Fragmentation or 783 Files. This may not
> >> seem a
> >> high
> >> proportion of the whole but leaving aside the large System Restore
> >> points these
> >> are the files I access most frequently. These are the files which if
> >> fragmented will
> >> slow me down. This partition has a lot of system files. If it is
> >> similar
> >> on a partition
> >> containing only data files it would have an even more marked impact
> >> on
> >> system
> >> performance.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Dan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news:EBCA7DC0-60B1-41DE-901E-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > More info - system is an HP dc5700 business PC with a system
> >> > restore
> >> > partition and a boot partition - both are NTFS - when analyzing
> >> > each
> >> > partition, the restore partition shows that it does not need to be
> >> > defragged,
> >> > but the boot partition always does.
> >> >
> >> > "Dan" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I have an XP Pro SP2 system with all current updates installed
> >> >> that
> >> >> always
> >> >> says the primary partition needs to be defragged; even just after
> >> >> a
> >> >> defrag
> >> >> has been run. There doesn't appear to be any fragmented files in
> >> >> the
> >> >> analysis display. I have even loaded and run diskkeeper defrag -
> >> >> then
> >> >> removed it, and Windows still says that it needs to be defragged.
> >> >>
> >> >> ???????
> >> >>
> >> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>

Thanks Gerry,

Removing and restoring the the paging file did the trick!

"Gerry" wrote:

> Dan
>
> Is this the Windows XP partition? It is strange that you only have 8
> fragmented files
> and yet have 35% file fragmentation!
>
> Two suggestions.
>
> Set the pagefile to Zero and restart the computer. Run Disk Defragmenter
> and
> then set the pagefile to a minimum of 3 gb and restart the computer. The
> result
> should be a nice green single unmovable contiguous block in the middle
> of the
> drive. This suggestion should work because you have such a large %
> unused
> disk space and does not work if you have anything approaching 50% used
> space.
>
> Unless you have changed the system restore setting from its default
> setting
> something like 8 gb is allocated for restore points. I would reduce the
> allocation to 1 gb. I always run Disk CleanUp include System Restore
> on the More Options tab before running Disk Defragmenter.
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Gerry
> ~~~~
> FCA
> Stourport, England
> Enquire, plan and execute
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> "Dan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:76C670B3-819E-40B3-B137-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Here is the report:
> > Vol Size - 66.52G
> > Cluster Size - 4k
> > Used Space - 8.43G
> > Free Space - 58.09G
> > % Free - 87%
> >
> > Vol Fragmentation
> > Total - 17%
> > File Fragmentation - 35%
> > Total Fragmented Files - 8
> > Total Excess Fragments - 22
> > Average Fragments per File - 1
> >
> > Page File - 2.98 G (system has 2 gig of ram)
> > Total Fragments - 2
> >
> > Total Folders - 3147
> > Fragmented - 1
> > Excess Folder Fragments - 2
> >
> > MFT Size - 31 MB
> > MFT Record Count - 31,329
> > % MFT in use - 99
> > Total MFT Fragments - 2
> >
> > "Gerry" wrote:
> >
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Comments in Disk Defragmenter as to whether a partition needs to be
> >> defragmented are in my view frequently unreliable. What
> >> does the report say in terms of numbers of fragmented files?
> >>
> >> Volume WinXP (C
> >> Volume size = 24.41 GB
> >> Cluster size = 4 KB
> >> Used space = 6.42 GB
> >> Free space = 17.98 GB
> >> Percent free space = 73 %
> >>
> >> Volume fragmentation
> >> Total fragmentation = 3 %
> >> File fragmentation = 7 %
> >> Free space fragmentation = 0 %
> >>
> >> File fragmentation
> >> Total files = 35,121
> >> Average file size = 244 KB
> >> Total fragmented files = 783
> >> Total excess fragments = 3,057
> >> Average fragments per file = 1.08
> >>
> >> Pagefile fragmentation
> >> Pagefile size = 1.13 GB
> >> Total fragments = 1
> >>
> >> Folder fragmentation
> >> Total folders = 2,813
> >> Fragmented folders = 14
> >> Excess folder fragments = 16
> >>
> >> Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
> >> Total MFT size = 40 MB
> >> MFT record count = 37,995
> >> Percent MFT in use = 92 %
> >> Total MFT fragments = 2
> >>
> >> This Report says 7% File Fragmentation or 783 Files. This may not
> >> seem a
> >> high
> >> proportion of the whole but leaving aside the large System Restore
> >> points these
> >> are the files I access most frequently. These are the files which if
> >> fragmented will
> >> slow me down. This partition has a lot of system files. If it is
> >> similar
> >> on a partition
> >> containing only data files it would have an even more marked impact
> >> on
> >> system
> >> performance.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Dan" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news:EBCA7DC0-60B1-41DE-901E-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > More info - system is an HP dc5700 business PC with a system
> >> > restore
> >> > partition and a boot partition - both are NTFS - when analyzing
> >> > each
> >> > partition, the restore partition shows that it does not need to be
> >> > defragged,
> >> > but the boot partition always does.
> >> >
> >> > "Dan" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I have an XP Pro SP2 system with all current updates installed
> >> >> that
> >> >> always
> >> >> says the primary partition needs to be defragged; even just after
> >> >> a
> >> >> defrag
> >> >> has been run. There doesn't appear to be any fragmented files in
> >> >> the
> >> >> analysis display. I have even loaded and run diskkeeper defrag -
> >> >> then
> >> >> removed it, and Windows still says that it needs to be defragged.
> >> >>
> >> >> ???????
> >> >>
> >> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
>