In the color-coded array describing what is and isn't
fragmented, even after defragging several times, of the
5 GB of stored files, maybe 1 GB or more stays red
(fragmented) as a sold block after it has finished.
Isn't there anything I can do, to defragment that
whole bunch of files? This is independent of the
green area, which I assume to be the SWAP file.
--
William B. Lurie

>-----Original Message-----
>In the color-coded array describing what is and isn't
>fragmented, even after defragging several times, of the
>5 GB of stored files, maybe 1 GB or more stays red
>(fragmented) as a sold block after it has finished.
>Isn't there anything I can do, to defragment that
>whole bunch of files? This is independent of the
>green area, which I assume to be the SWAP file.
>--
> William B. Lurie
>.

Of course you don't say what defrag program you're using,
or why this is a problem for you. If you start up your
computer and go looking for things to mess with without
knowing wtf you're doing (and you seem to do that a lot)
you will most assuredly come to grief. If it's not causing
a problem, or threatening to, leave it alone!

Your Pal,

Phil

Phil McCracken wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>In the color-coded array describing what is and isn't
>>fragmented, even after defragging several times, of the
>>5 GB of stored files, maybe 1 GB or more stays red
>>(fragmented) as a solid block after it has finished.
>>Isn't there anything I can do, to defragment that
>>whole bunch of files? This is independent of the
>>green area, which I assume to be the SWAP file.
>>--
>> William B. Lurie
>>.
>
>
> Of course you don't say what defrag program you're using,
> or why this is a problem for you. If you start up your
> computer and go looking for things to mess with without
> knowing wtf you're doing (and you seem to do that a lot)
> you will most assuredly come to grief. If it's not causing
> a problem, or threatening to, leave it alone!
>
> Your Pal,
>
> Phil

Phil, with frinds like you, I don't need enemies.
I use the defragger that is a System Tool under Accessories
in XP. Defragging is generally recommended as a tool for
keeping hard drive arm movements to a minimum, in the
interest of efficiency and wear. But you already knew that.

William B. Lurie

Some fragmentation is normal and not necessarily a problem. If you want to
lock into a third party defragger give PerfectDisk a try from
http://www.raxco.com/products/perfectdisk2k/ Even with third party defrag
programs you will still have some fragmentation when you run the app on the
active partition.
--

Harry Ohrn - MS MVP [Shell/User]
www.webtree.ca/windowsxp


"William B. Lurie" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:(E-Mail Removed)...
> In the color-coded array describing what is and isn't
> fragmented, even after defragging several times, of the
> 5 GB of stored files, maybe 1 GB or more stays red
> (fragmented) as a sold block after it has finished.
> Isn't there anything I can do, to defragment that
> whole bunch of files? This is independent of the
> green area, which I assume to be the SWAP file.
> --
> William B. Lurie

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:00:50 -0500, William B. Lurie wrote:

> In the color-coded array describing what is and isn't
> fragmented, even after defragging several times, of the
> 5 GB of stored files, maybe 1 GB or more stays red
> (fragmented) as a sold block after it has finished.
> Isn't there anything I can do, to defragment that
> whole bunch of files? This is independent of the
> green area, which I assume to be the SWAP file.

This is normal especially when defragging from within the operating system
as some files will always be in use. Those files will not/cannot be
defragmented. If you run defrag a second time, some of the file handles
will have been closed and you'll find that a few more files were processed
than at the last run. However, you will never get all of them as there will
always be some in use and they are "untouchable" in that state.

--
Sharon F
MS-MVP ~ Windows XP Shell/User

>-----Original Message-----
>Phil McCracken wrote:
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>In the color-coded array describing what is and isn't
>>>fragmented, even after defragging several times, of the
>>>5 GB of stored files, maybe 1 GB or more stays red
>>>(fragmented) as a solid block after it has finished.
>>>Isn't there anything I can do, to defragment that
>>>whole bunch of files? This is independent of the
>>>green area, which I assume to be the SWAP file.
>>>--
>>> William B. Lurie
>>>.
>>
>>
>> Of course you don't say what defrag program you're
using,
>> or why this is a problem for you. If you start up your
>> computer and go looking for things to mess with without
>> knowing wtf you're doing (and you seem to do that a lot)
>> you will most assuredly come to grief. If it's not
causing
>> a problem, or threatening to, leave it alone!
>>
>> Your Pal,
>>
>> Phil
>
>Phil, with frinds like you, I don't need enemies.
>I use the defragger that is a System Tool under
Accessories
>in XP. Defragging is generally recommended as a tool for
>keeping hard drive arm movements to a minimum, in the
>interest of efficiency and wear. But you already knew
that.
>
> William B. Lurie
>.

If you could lead me to some reliable, empirical evidence
that defragging contributes in any fashion to hard drive
life, please do. But before you go searching, I can save
you some time: there ain't any. There isn't even any
consistently convincing evidence that file fragmentation
*necessarily* leads to performance problems. If you're
having performance problems, and defragging seems to help,
then go for it. But there is just no good reason to do it
unless there's a good reason to do it.

As an aside, if you're concerned about "hard drive arm
movements" it seems that defragging would be the *last*
thing you'd want to do. There's more head movement in 10
minutes of defragging than there is in a month of normal
use.

Sharon F wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2004 13:00:50 -0500, William B. Lurie wrote:
>
>
>>In the color-coded array describing what is and isn't
>>fragmented, even after defragging several times, of the
>>5 GB of stored files, maybe 1 GB or more stays red
>>(fragmented) as a sold block after it has finished.
>>Isn't there anything I can do, to defragment that
>>whole bunch of files? This is independent of the
>>green area, which I assume to be the SWAP file.
>
>
> This is normal especially when defragging from within the operating system
> as some files will always be in use. Those files will not/cannot be
> defragmented. If you run defrag a second time, some of the file handles
> will have been closed and you'll find that a few more files were processed
> than at the last run. However, you will never get all of them as there will
> always be some in use and they are "untouchable" in that state.
>
Good point, Sharon. But I've been using the built-in defrag
frequently, and it suddenly became a bold red 20% of the
stored files. Might be interesting to defrag on a partition
not in use. Thank you.

--
William B. Lurie

Billy Lurie: Get a life and stop trying to stir things up with your retarded posts every day

The Unknown P wrote:
> Well Phil as you seem to be a major a-hole I doubt that any reasoning with you would have any affect. Fragmentation does lead to system instability and greatly reduces the efficiency of I\O operations. A simple explanation for a simply mind like yours would be this. Take a book and rip out all the pages. Throw them about the room. Now try and read the book. Takes longer to find the next page doesn't it? Difficult? Defrag puts the book back together with the pages in order and results in an easy reading operation. Phil you are some putz. Good luck
Thank you, friend. I didn't waste my time trying to
appease somebody who already knew everything.

I'm no friend of Phil's, but if you go to this site often Unknown P, you'd know that William B Lurie is the real putz. Constantly posting questions and then he disagrees or argues with every reply. Go back to your Dungeons and Dragons, dork.