When MSE is installed it is supposed to automatically disable Defender
(or remove it completely from XP).
When that doesn't happen, something went wrong and you are faced with
needing to do so manually, which can be confusing. Why it didn't
automatically get disabled is unknown.
-steve

On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 20:05:58 -0700, cmriverside
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>
>
>"cmriverside" wrote:
>
>> My problem is this: I installed MSE 10 days ago. When I booted up today I
>> noticed that Defender was off (due to a red warning alert). So I turned it on
>> in the Security Center. Now, MSE won't let me run its spyware protection/real
>> time protection and it alerts me it is off, and cannot be turned back on. The
>> suggested fix here in the MSE and Defender forums is to go to the
>> Help>Tools>Options>Administrative in Defender. However, I can't get to the
>> Administative level, it doesn't exist. I am the only user and the
>> Administator on this laptop, I need a plan to disable Defender.
>> I'm hoping I don't have to reinstall MSE.
>
>I'm returning to edit: I did find the Admin level by scrolling down on the
>page...PC101. Turned off Defender. Still couldn't get MSE or the Security
>Center to allow me to turn on MSE Real-Time Protection even though neither
>were now on for spyware/malware. So I just uninstalled MSE and reinstalled
>it. Too many hours to fix though, three and a half hours.
>
>Why not just auto-disable and divorce Defender from the access menu on the
>Security Center? Or prompt user to choose ONE of them and give them the pros
>and cons. As usual, Microsoft makes it as tough as possible.
>
>Dislike.
>>
>> "??ç?l" wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Adam,
>> >
>> > Microsoft Security Essentials should *disable* Windows Defender on Vista and
>> > Windows 7 and *uninstall* it from XP. In some cases, this does not happen
>> > automatically.
>> >
>> > If Microsoft Security Essentials did not automatically *disable* Windows
>> > Defender on Vista or Windows 7, *you* should *disable* it to prevent
>> > conflicts. Windows Defender cannot be *uninstalled* from Vista or Windows 7.
>> > If Microsoft Security Essentials did not automatically *uninstall* Windows
>> > Defender on XP, you should manually *uninstall* Windows Defender via Control
>> > Panel/Add or Remove Programs.
>> >
>> > If Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender are both running, your
>> > system may experience performance degradation and other problems caused by
>> > the conflict of two services providing real time protection simultaneously.
>> > -=-
>> >
>> >
>> > "Adam" wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi guys this post helped me a little as a I recently downloaded MS Security
>> > > Essentials and it got rid of AVG. It is working well and I also noticed an
>> > > improvement in performance. I run Windows Vista on a Toshiba Laptop. THE
>> > > PROBLEM I HAVE IS: Now whenever I turn on my computer Defender notifies me
>> > > that it is turned off. Is there a way to prevent this from popping up?
>> > >
>> > > "colin" wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks for the reply A\p, i want to use sec essentails as my
>> > > > protection,becaues its the only one that i find that does not slow the
>> > > > computor down ,what do you think,thanks again,
>> > > > sido
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > "??ç?l" wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Oranges and Apples
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Windows Defender detects and removes known spyware only. It is not designed
>> > > > > to protect against the full breadth of malicious software, and specifically
>> > > > > does not prevent viruses, worms, Trojans, and other malicious software from
>> > > > > infecting your machine.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Microsoft Security Essentials real-time protection, including anti-virus,
>> > > > > anti-rootkits, anti-Trojans and anti-spyware.
>> > > > > -=-
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Happy Thanksgiving Day
>> > > > > -=-
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "colin" wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > i tried to download defender but it failed because i already have microsoft
>> > > > > > security essentials,you cant have both ,so which is the best one to go with
>> > > > > > ,thanks
>> > > > > > --
>> > > > > > sido

--
Stephen Boots
MVP-Windows Live
(E-Mail Removed)

Am I right to assume therefore from your reply to Adam below that it is no
longer necessary to install 'Defender' if I have already installed MSE on
Windows 7 HP?

Brian

"Ǝиçεl" wrote:

> Hello Adam,
>
> Microsoft Security Essentials should *disable* Windows Defender on Vista and
> Windows 7 and *uninstall* it from XP. In some cases, this does not happen
> automatically.
>
> If Microsoft Security Essentials did not automatically *disable* Windows
> Defender on Vista or Windows 7, *you* should *disable* it to prevent
> conflicts. Windows Defender cannot be *uninstalled* from Vista or Windows 7.
> If Microsoft Security Essentials did not automatically *uninstall* Windows
> Defender on XP, you should manually *uninstall* Windows Defender via Control
> Panel/Add or Remove Programs.
>
> If Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender are both running, your
> system may experience performance degradation and other problems caused by
> the conflict of two services providing real time protection simultaneously.
> -=-
>
>
> "Adam" wrote:
>
> > Hi guys this post helped me a little as a I recently downloaded MS Security
> > Essentials and it got rid of AVG. It is working well and I also noticed an
> > improvement in performance. I run Windows Vista on a Toshiba Laptop. THE
> > PROBLEM I HAVE IS: Now whenever I turn on my computer Defender notifies me
> > that it is turned off. Is there a way to prevent this from popping up?
> >
> > "colin" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the reply A\p, i want to use sec essentails as my
> > > protection,becaues its the only one that i find that does not slow the
> > > computor down ,what do you think,thanks again,
> > > sido
> > >
> > >
> > > "Ǝиçεl" wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oranges and Apples
> > > >
> > > > Windows Defender detects and removes known spyware only. It is not designed
> > > > to protect against the full breadth of malicious software, and specifically
> > > > does not prevent viruses, worms, Trojans, and other malicious software from
> > > > infecting your machine.
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft Security Essentials real-time protection, including anti-virus,
> > > > anti-rootkits, anti-Trojans and anti-spyware.
> > > > -=-
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Happy Thanksgiving Day
> > > > -=-
> > > >
> > > > "colin" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > i tried to download defender but it failed because i already have microsoft
> > > > > security essentials,you cant have both ,so which is the best one to go with
> > > > > ,thanks
> > > > > --
> > > > > sido

That is correct. MSE disabled Defender on Vista and Win7 and
uninstalls it from XP. MSE includes the protection of Defender and
adds to it as a full antimalware application.
-steve

On Tue, 17 Aug 2010 08:26:03 -0700, Brian
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Am I right to assume therefore from your reply to Adam below that it is no
>longer necessary to install 'Defender' if I have already installed MSE on
>Windows 7 HP?
>
>Brian
>
>"??ç?l" wrote:
>
>> Hello Adam,
>>
>> Microsoft Security Essentials should *disable* Windows Defender on Vista and
>> Windows 7 and *uninstall* it from XP. In some cases, this does not happen
>> automatically.
>>
>> If Microsoft Security Essentials did not automatically *disable* Windows
>> Defender on Vista or Windows 7, *you* should *disable* it to prevent
>> conflicts. Windows Defender cannot be *uninstalled* from Vista or Windows 7.
>> If Microsoft Security Essentials did not automatically *uninstall* Windows
>> Defender on XP, you should manually *uninstall* Windows Defender via Control
>> Panel/Add or Remove Programs.
>>
>> If Microsoft Security Essentials and Windows Defender are both running, your
>> system may experience performance degradation and other problems caused by
>> the conflict of two services providing real time protection simultaneously.
>> -=-
>>
>>
>> "Adam" wrote:
>>
>> > Hi guys this post helped me a little as a I recently downloaded MS Security
>> > Essentials and it got rid of AVG. It is working well and I also noticed an
>> > improvement in performance. I run Windows Vista on a Toshiba Laptop. THE
>> > PROBLEM I HAVE IS: Now whenever I turn on my computer Defender notifies me
>> > that it is turned off. Is there a way to prevent this from popping up?
>> >
>> > "colin" wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for the reply A\p, i want to use sec essentails as my
>> > > protection,becaues its the only one that i find that does not slow the
>> > > computor down ,what do you think,thanks again,
>> > > sido
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > "??ç?l" wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Oranges and Apples
>> > > >
>> > > > Windows Defender detects and removes known spyware only. It is not designed
>> > > > to protect against the full breadth of malicious software, and specifically
>> > > > does not prevent viruses, worms, Trojans, and other malicious software from
>> > > > infecting your machine.
>> > > >
>> > > > Microsoft Security Essentials real-time protection, including anti-virus,
>> > > > anti-rootkits, anti-Trojans and anti-spyware.
>> > > > -=-
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Happy Thanksgiving Day
>> > > > -=-
>> > > >
>> > > > "colin" wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > i tried to download defender but it failed because i already have microsoft
>> > > > > security essentials,you cant have both ,so which is the best one to go with
>> > > > > ,thanks
>> > > > > --
>> > > > > sido

--
Stephen Boots
MVP-Windows Live
(E-Mail Removed)

Stephen Boots MVP-Windows Live wrote:
>
> That is correct. MSE disabled Defender on Vista and Win7 and
> uninstalls it from XP. MSE includes the protection of Defender and
> adds to it as a full antimalware application.

That's complete and utter rubbish I have read today. I am running
Windows XP, Windows Defender and MSE on my system. MSE did not
uninstall it on Win XP. Where did you get this crap from? Don't
you try on your system before posting?

Windows Defender includes Software explorer that is not included
in MSE so people should have both if they want to explore what is
running on their system unless they go for third party tool which
IMHO not a wise thing to do.

On *your* system it didn't uninstall. It is supposed to uninstall.
Since it didn't, you should manually remove Defender from the system
if you are running Microsoft Security Essentials.

You are correct, MSE does not include Software Explorer,
unfortunately, as was the case with OneCare before it. To manage
startup items you will need a 3rd party tool or simply use MSCONFIG to
disable startup items as desired.
Optionally, you can leave Defender installed on your XP machine, but
be sure to disable it. Not disabling it is a bad idea as the two
programs *will* conflict, causing performance problems and even system
instability.
As for my original response, it is far from "rubbish" and "crap."
I have been supporting MSE in the MSE forums, working closely with the
MSE team and support organization since it was first released to beta
last year. I know of what I speak. And, yes, I have installed it and
am running it on many systems. There have been cases reported where
MSE failed to remove/disable Defender - that's a bug that hasn't yet
been fully resolved. It is basically an installation failure due to
something unusual about the affected systems such as yours.
-steve

On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:26:11 +0100, Cheng Heng <"Cheng.
Heng"@google.com> wrote:

>
>
>Stephen Boots MVP-Windows Live wrote:
>>
>> That is correct. MSE disabled Defender on Vista and Win7 and
>> uninstalls it from XP. MSE includes the protection of Defender and
>> adds to it as a full antimalware application.
>
>That's complete and utter rubbish I have read today. I am running
>Windows XP, Windows Defender and MSE on my system. MSE did not
>uninstall it on Win XP. Where did you get this crap from? Don't
>you try on your system before posting?
>
>Windows Defender includes Software explorer that is not included
>in MSE so people should have both if they want to explore what is
>running on their system unless they go for third party tool which
>IMHO not a wise thing to do.

--
Stephen Boots
MVP-Windows Live
(E-Mail Removed)