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      18th Feb 2006
The requirement that the XP system be already at SP2 or the W2K system have
the GDI+ patch hampers the usefulness of this program.

Most of the times that I use it is to quickly defend people who have a
broadband connection but have let their antivirus lapse, or when I have to
uninstall one antivirus program before installing another. The former
program made a great contribution to cover the PC during the vulnerable
period between the uninstallation of the lapsed Anti-virus program and the
install of the 2nd. If the PC was infected, the Anti-Spyware beta would
often stop the existing malware from hetting the highground and preventing
the installation of the new antivirus program. After the install, the
AntiSpyware program remained as a great companion to the new anti-virus
program.

It is unfortunate that the programmers at Microsoft did not venture far
enough out of their ivory tower to assess the many ways that their former
program was being used and lessened the usefulness of their program by
requiring the patches.
 
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JoeM
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      19th Feb 2006
You should be patching the computer anyway.

"Research Geek" <Research (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> The requirement that the XP system be already at SP2 or the W2K system
> have
> the GDI+ patch hampers the usefulness of this program.
>
> Most of the times that I use it is to quickly defend people who have a
> broadband connection but have let their antivirus lapse, or when I have to
> uninstall one antivirus program before installing another. The former
> program made a great contribution to cover the PC during the vulnerable
> period between the uninstallation of the lapsed Anti-virus program and the
> install of the 2nd. If the PC was infected, the Anti-Spyware beta would
> often stop the existing malware from hetting the highground and preventing
> the installation of the new antivirus program. After the install, the
> AntiSpyware program remained as a great companion to the new anti-virus
> program.
>
> It is unfortunate that the programmers at Microsoft did not venture far
> enough out of their ivory tower to assess the many ways that their former
> program was being used and lessened the usefulness of their program by
> requiring the patches.



 
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      19th Feb 2006
I'm sorry that you did not understand the problem. Many of the recent
adware/spyware/trojan infections block Windows Update, preventing the
patching of the loopholes which allow them to work. I have even tried to run
the downloaded XP SP2 upgrade on infected PCs and it fails as well. So the
new Defender will often be worthless if one is trying to install it on an
already infected PC.

"JoeM" wrote:

> You should be patching the computer anyway.
>
> "Research Geek" <Research (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:B2475477-A97A-41B6-9D20-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > The requirement that the XP system be already at SP2 or the W2K system
> > have
> > the GDI+ patch hampers the usefulness of this program.
> >
> > Most of the times that I use it is to quickly defend people who have a
> > broadband connection but have let their antivirus lapse, or when I have to
> > uninstall one antivirus program before installing another. The former
> > program made a great contribution to cover the PC during the vulnerable
> > period between the uninstallation of the lapsed Anti-virus program and the
> > install of the 2nd. If the PC was infected, the Anti-Spyware beta would
> > often stop the existing malware from hetting the highground and preventing
> > the installation of the new antivirus program. After the install, the
> > AntiSpyware program remained as a great companion to the new anti-virus
> > program.
> >
> > It is unfortunate that the programmers at Microsoft did not venture far
> > enough out of their ivory tower to assess the many ways that their former
> > program was being used and lessened the usefulness of their program by
> > requiring the patches.

>
>
>

 
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JoeM
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      20th Feb 2006
It is designed more to Defend you against spyware . (There are better
products that clean your machine that is already infected)

"Research Geek" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:86A46844-7922-489D-BE95-(E-Mail Removed)...
> I'm sorry that you did not understand the problem. Many of the recent
> adware/spyware/trojan infections block Windows Update, preventing the
> patching of the loopholes which allow them to work. I have even tried to
> run
> the downloaded XP SP2 upgrade on infected PCs and it fails as well. So
> the
> new Defender will often be worthless if one is trying to install it on an
> already infected PC.
>
> "JoeM" wrote:
>
>> You should be patching the computer anyway.
>>
>> "Research Geek" <Research (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> message
>> news:B2475477-A97A-41B6-9D20-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > The requirement that the XP system be already at SP2 or the W2K system
>> > have
>> > the GDI+ patch hampers the usefulness of this program.
>> >
>> > Most of the times that I use it is to quickly defend people who have a
>> > broadband connection but have let their antivirus lapse, or when I have
>> > to
>> > uninstall one antivirus program before installing another. The former
>> > program made a great contribution to cover the PC during the vulnerable
>> > period between the uninstallation of the lapsed Anti-virus program and
>> > the
>> > install of the 2nd. If the PC was infected, the Anti-Spyware beta
>> > would
>> > often stop the existing malware from hetting the highground and
>> > preventing
>> > the installation of the new antivirus program. After the install, the
>> > AntiSpyware program remained as a great companion to the new anti-virus
>> > program.
>> >
>> > It is unfortunate that the programmers at Microsoft did not venture far
>> > enough out of their ivory tower to assess the many ways that their
>> > former
>> > program was being used and lessened the usefulness of their program by
>> > requiring the patches.

>>
>>
>>



 
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      20th Feb 2006
Again, Please let a voice of experience from the field clue you in as to how
the program used to be effective and now is not. I understand that the
program is niched for adware and spyware. My point is that even though that
was the case, and and even after Microsoft included the extra Windows
validation routine, I found that the AntiSpyware beta was the most effective
product I had tried. It now is not as effective. I had almost 100 on-site
appointments last year to rescue infected PCs or to install a new Antivirus
program when the subscription was about to expire, so I know what I am
talking about. I also used to be an antivirus coordinator for a world-wide
company.

I could run the free Trend Micro Housecall or the Free Panda clean-up
utility and, yes, they could clean up the existing infections, but they would
not stop them from coming right back in while I was spending an hour on-line
downloading patches. The AntiSpyware Beta was wonderful in that it could be
quickly installed and most existing infections could not stop it from
installing or updating and it then functioned as a real-time scanner while I
followed up with the time consuming patching.

Without it in place on an infected PC, Norton would rarely install, McAfee
would succeed a bit more and Trend Micro would work most of the time (But I
had to use a little-known technique to force in the latest pattern file)
otherwise many times it would not update because the infection had hijacked
the hosts file.

If you are on the programming team or know someone on the team, I encourage
you to re-engineer the program to be more effective. In the real world, I
have found that if people have to re-format their PCs and reinstall their SP1
XP operating system and start over or do a Manufacturer-supplied System
Restore, it takes so long to apply all the patches needed to get back to a
state of protection, that they often are getting infected while they are
downloading patches! It is unfortunate that the programmers did not realize
that and gave back some of the ground that they had won from the
pusillanimous miscreants who write the junk that is infecting our PCs.



"JoeM" wrote:

> It is designed more to Defend you against spyware . (There are better
> products that clean your machine that is already infected)
>
> "Research Geek" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:86A46844-7922-489D-BE95-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > I'm sorry that you did not understand the problem. Many of the recent
> > adware/spyware/trojan infections block Windows Update, preventing the
> > patching of the loopholes which allow them to work. I have even tried to
> > run
> > the downloaded XP SP2 upgrade on infected PCs and it fails as well. So
> > the
> > new Defender will often be worthless if one is trying to install it on an
> > already infected PC.
> >
> > "JoeM" wrote:
> >
> >> You should be patching the computer anyway.
> >>
> >> "Research Geek" <Research (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> >> message
> >> news:B2475477-A97A-41B6-9D20-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > The requirement that the XP system be already at SP2 or the W2K system
> >> > have
> >> > the GDI+ patch hampers the usefulness of this program.
> >> >
> >> > Most of the times that I use it is to quickly defend people who have a
> >> > broadband connection but have let their antivirus lapse, or when I have
> >> > to
> >> > uninstall one antivirus program before installing another. The former
> >> > program made a great contribution to cover the PC during the vulnerable
> >> > period between the uninstallation of the lapsed Anti-virus program and
> >> > the
> >> > install of the 2nd. If the PC was infected, the Anti-Spyware beta
> >> > would
> >> > often stop the existing malware from hetting the highground and
> >> > preventing
> >> > the installation of the new antivirus program. After the install, the
> >> > AntiSpyware program remained as a great companion to the new anti-virus
> >> > program.
> >> >
> >> > It is unfortunate that the programmers at Microsoft did not venture far
> >> > enough out of their ivory tower to assess the many ways that their
> >> > former
> >> > program was being used and lessened the usefulness of their program by
> >> > requiring the patches.
> >>
> >>
> >>

>
>
>

 
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Bill Sanderson
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      21st Feb 2006
I understand you point of view, but I can't say that I've had any trouble
putting the GDI+ dll out there on an infected Windows 2000 PC.

SP2 can be a different kettle of fish, however.

--

"Research Geek" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
news:0FD2F27E-A7A7-40A1-BBB6-(E-Mail Removed)...
> Again, Please let a voice of experience from the field clue you in as to
> how
> the program used to be effective and now is not. I understand that the
> program is niched for adware and spyware. My point is that even though
> that
> was the case, and and even after Microsoft included the extra Windows
> validation routine, I found that the AntiSpyware beta was the most
> effective
> product I had tried. It now is not as effective. I had almost 100
> on-site
> appointments last year to rescue infected PCs or to install a new
> Antivirus
> program when the subscription was about to expire, so I know what I am
> talking about. I also used to be an antivirus coordinator for a
> world-wide
> company.
>
> I could run the free Trend Micro Housecall or the Free Panda clean-up
> utility and, yes, they could clean up the existing infections, but they
> would
> not stop them from coming right back in while I was spending an hour
> on-line
> downloading patches. The AntiSpyware Beta was wonderful in that it could
> be
> quickly installed and most existing infections could not stop it from
> installing or updating and it then functioned as a real-time scanner while
> I
> followed up with the time consuming patching.
>
> Without it in place on an infected PC, Norton would rarely install, McAfee
> would succeed a bit more and Trend Micro would work most of the time (But
> I
> had to use a little-known technique to force in the latest pattern file)
> otherwise many times it would not update because the infection had
> hijacked
> the hosts file.
>
> If you are on the programming team or know someone on the team, I
> encourage
> you to re-engineer the program to be more effective. In the real world, I
> have found that if people have to re-format their PCs and reinstall their
> SP1
> XP operating system and start over or do a Manufacturer-supplied System
> Restore, it takes so long to apply all the patches needed to get back to a
> state of protection, that they often are getting infected while they are
> downloading patches! It is unfortunate that the programmers did not
> realize
> that and gave back some of the ground that they had won from the
> pusillanimous miscreants who write the junk that is infecting our PCs.
>
>
>
> "JoeM" wrote:
>
>> It is designed more to Defend you against spyware . (There are better
>> products that clean your machine that is already infected)
>>
>> "Research Geek" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>> news:86A46844-7922-489D-BE95-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> > I'm sorry that you did not understand the problem. Many of the recent
>> > adware/spyware/trojan infections block Windows Update, preventing the
>> > patching of the loopholes which allow them to work. I have even tried
>> > to
>> > run
>> > the downloaded XP SP2 upgrade on infected PCs and it fails as well. So
>> > the
>> > new Defender will often be worthless if one is trying to install it on
>> > an
>> > already infected PC.
>> >
>> > "JoeM" wrote:
>> >
>> >> You should be patching the computer anyway.
>> >>
>> >> "Research Geek" <Research (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
>> >> message
>> >> news:B2475477-A97A-41B6-9D20-(E-Mail Removed)...
>> >> > The requirement that the XP system be already at SP2 or the W2K
>> >> > system
>> >> > have
>> >> > the GDI+ patch hampers the usefulness of this program.
>> >> >
>> >> > Most of the times that I use it is to quickly defend people who have
>> >> > a
>> >> > broadband connection but have let their antivirus lapse, or when I
>> >> > have
>> >> > to
>> >> > uninstall one antivirus program before installing another. The
>> >> > former
>> >> > program made a great contribution to cover the PC during the
>> >> > vulnerable
>> >> > period between the uninstallation of the lapsed Anti-virus program
>> >> > and
>> >> > the
>> >> > install of the 2nd. If the PC was infected, the Anti-Spyware beta
>> >> > would
>> >> > often stop the existing malware from hetting the highground and
>> >> > preventing
>> >> > the installation of the new antivirus program. After the install,
>> >> > the
>> >> > AntiSpyware program remained as a great companion to the new
>> >> > anti-virus
>> >> > program.
>> >> >
>> >> > It is unfortunate that the programmers at Microsoft did not venture
>> >> > far
>> >> > enough out of their ivory tower to assess the many ways that their
>> >> > former
>> >> > program was being used and lessened the usefulness of their program
>> >> > by
>> >> > requiring the patches.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>

>>
>>
>>



 
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      22nd Feb 2006
Hi Bill,

I acknowledge that the W2K fix is pretty simple, but only 5% of the PCs I've
worked on in the last 12 months were W2K. 85% were XP and the remainder were
98 or ME. I just think that they shot themselves in the foot by requiring
SP2 for XP.

"Bill Sanderson" wrote:

> I understand you point of view, but I can't say that I've had any trouble
> putting the GDI+ dll out there on an infected Windows 2000 PC.
>
> SP2 can be a different kettle of fish, however.
>
> --
>
> "Research Geek" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:0FD2F27E-A7A7-40A1-BBB6-(E-Mail Removed)...
> > Again, Please let a voice of experience from the field clue you in as to
> > how
> > the program used to be effective and now is not. I understand that the
> > program is niched for adware and spyware. My point is that even though
> > that
> > was the case, and and even after Microsoft included the extra Windows
> > validation routine, I found that the AntiSpyware beta was the most
> > effective
> > product I had tried. It now is not as effective. I had almost 100
> > on-site
> > appointments last year to rescue infected PCs or to install a new
> > Antivirus
> > program when the subscription was about to expire, so I know what I am
> > talking about. I also used to be an antivirus coordinator for a
> > world-wide
> > company.
> >
> > I could run the free Trend Micro Housecall or the Free Panda clean-up
> > utility and, yes, they could clean up the existing infections, but they
> > would
> > not stop them from coming right back in while I was spending an hour
> > on-line
> > downloading patches. The AntiSpyware Beta was wonderful in that it could
> > be
> > quickly installed and most existing infections could not stop it from
> > installing or updating and it then functioned as a real-time scanner while
> > I
> > followed up with the time consuming patching.
> >
> > Without it in place on an infected PC, Norton would rarely install, McAfee
> > would succeed a bit more and Trend Micro would work most of the time (But
> > I
> > had to use a little-known technique to force in the latest pattern file)
> > otherwise many times it would not update because the infection had
> > hijacked
> > the hosts file.
> >
> > If you are on the programming team or know someone on the team, I
> > encourage
> > you to re-engineer the program to be more effective. In the real world, I
> > have found that if people have to re-format their PCs and reinstall their
> > SP1
> > XP operating system and start over or do a Manufacturer-supplied System
> > Restore, it takes so long to apply all the patches needed to get back to a
> > state of protection, that they often are getting infected while they are
> > downloading patches! It is unfortunate that the programmers did not
> > realize
> > that and gave back some of the ground that they had won from the
> > pusillanimous miscreants who write the junk that is infecting our PCs.
> >
> >
> >
> > "JoeM" wrote:
> >
> >> It is designed more to Defend you against spyware . (There are better
> >> products that clean your machine that is already infected)
> >>
> >> "Research Geek" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> >> news:86A46844-7922-489D-BE95-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> > I'm sorry that you did not understand the problem. Many of the recent
> >> > adware/spyware/trojan infections block Windows Update, preventing the
> >> > patching of the loopholes which allow them to work. I have even tried
> >> > to
> >> > run
> >> > the downloaded XP SP2 upgrade on infected PCs and it fails as well. So
> >> > the
> >> > new Defender will often be worthless if one is trying to install it on
> >> > an
> >> > already infected PC.
> >> >
> >> > "JoeM" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> You should be patching the computer anyway.
> >> >>
> >> >> "Research Geek" <Research (E-Mail Removed)> wrote in
> >> >> message
> >> >> news:B2475477-A97A-41B6-9D20-(E-Mail Removed)...
> >> >> > The requirement that the XP system be already at SP2 or the W2K
> >> >> > system
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > the GDI+ patch hampers the usefulness of this program.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Most of the times that I use it is to quickly defend people who have
> >> >> > a
> >> >> > broadband connection but have let their antivirus lapse, or when I
> >> >> > have
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > uninstall one antivirus program before installing another. The
> >> >> > former
> >> >> > program made a great contribution to cover the PC during the
> >> >> > vulnerable
> >> >> > period between the uninstallation of the lapsed Anti-virus program
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > install of the 2nd. If the PC was infected, the Anti-Spyware beta
> >> >> > would
> >> >> > often stop the existing malware from hetting the highground and
> >> >> > preventing
> >> >> > the installation of the new antivirus program. After the install,
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > AntiSpyware program remained as a great companion to the new
> >> >> > anti-virus
> >> >> > program.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It is unfortunate that the programmers at Microsoft did not venture
> >> >> > far
> >> >> > enough out of their ivory tower to assess the many ways that their
> >> >> > former
> >> >> > program was being used and lessened the usefulness of their program
> >> >> > by
> >> >> > requiring the patches.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>

>
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